Reply With QuoteYes carry on as it clearly makes you feel superior ...Originally Posted by Saint-Just
That’s the one. Then Bond, for no other reason than to flog Barbour jackets, goes up to Scotland and recreates Home Alone in an old house.
Javier Bardem...great in No Country, dreadful in Bond. Then Christoph Waltz comes along to play exactly the same camp baddie in the next film.
Yes carry on as it clearly makes you feel superior ...
You put up a defence because you felt insulted being told you can’t read and chose to blame the O P for the title of his thread.
I just highlighted that you should maybe put more effort in reading the thread you’re replying to rather than just the title.
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'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Interesting, as over here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51133194
Barbara Broccoli has said that the character 'will remain male'.
The article goes on to say that "The forthcoming Bond film will see actress Lashana Lynch play a female 00 agent after Craig's Bond has left active service", that may explain the 00 status.
All in all, Bond will remain male. (phew!)
I just hope she's gay and/or trans, otherwise I may be offended by the lack of diversity. Felix Leiter should be a cat, Felix the cat
A Gender Neutral Spy would be 000.
Given the outpouring of abuse the actress experienced when the news was announced last year - and some of the responses here - I'm not so sure...
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Bond is tired . It happens .
They had a long gap between Moore and Brosnan. Then they had a long gap between Brosnan and Craig.
Goldeneye ; everything was sexed up , music ( terrible eric serra score) , knowing end of cold war , Judy Dench , Brosnan Bond does nothing clever , everything just works out for him because he’s bond . Bland but fun is the best the Brosnan’s get. Martin Campbell directs the first Brosnan Bond . Subsequent Brosnan films get stupid and bad . Audience still watches but bored
Casino Royale ; new Bond , still Judy Dench ( smart ). They actually manage to make a good film with complex flawed and importantly interesting characters. Its genuinely a good solid film. You can almost ignore all the films that come after . Director ... Martin Campbell.
Next ....
Put it to bed ... give it a few years , spend the time casting Bond properly . Forget what went before , make a good film above all. The best Connery film is From Russia with Love after all which sort of sticks out stylistically as a less gimicky more plot led film.
Hint; audiences like a good film above all : ignore the past ... look how crap the newest Star Wars films are fir trying to stay true to the entire Star Wars canon... look how cool The Mandalorian is because it ‘s thematically a classic samurai movie and everything falls into place because the audience loves it .
How do you arrive at this Ralph?
No one here is complaining about a female playing alongside Bond, and no one on here has said anything bad about that actress.
What people (I include myself in those) are complaining about is making a character who was written as a white male, a black female. It’s ridiculous.
Now, if they wanted to make a spin off movie and call her 00 whatever, anything other than 007, I don’t think anyone would have a problem with it.
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A James Bond film without "James Bond" is a ticket for franchise doom.
But they aren't - which is why the reaction is so baffling - especially as this is an old story.
James bond is played by a white male - the next bond will be a white male. Forget the films for a minute and think about the product placement - simply too much money in selling tacky over priced watches and other items to accountants who like a bit of fantasy to change the formula.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
As stated by many, this is just a plot point in a James Bond movie, it's not the first time either, he 'came back' for Skyfall remember after being officially deceased, so lost his 00 number then, they just didn't turn it into a plot in that one.
He'll be back as 007 by the end, even if he's not the James Bond movie focuses on him, not MI6, there's been a couple of movies where his 00 has been revoked as well!
Reality is that to bring a new character like this in to the 00 world, there will need to be an offshoot of the Bond franchise, simple as that, and i don't think there really is the appetite for this yet, we've seen the likes of Charlize Theron do a couple of movies similar, and other actresses do similar, but tending to be standalones rather than a string of movies.
He's not even 007 at the start of Casino Royale!
Are you on crack? It’s boring, son. Nothing happens.
Give us another Moonraker or give us death.
Who are also deluded enough to think they represent the cinema going, film downloading population.
I have zero issues with female led action movies - one of my favorites is the long kiss goodnight and I've enjoyed the recent spate of female action films as well as more classic fare such as Terminator 2 and Aliens. I have no issues with a female 00 character IMO it should have happened a lot sooner (and I don't count any of the female fluff agents from earlier bond films).
However.
The moves aren't '00' movies, they are 'James Bond' movies I like them and pay to watch them for certain reasons, they are supposed to be full of style, exotic locations, stunt set pieces, over the top villains, gadgets and slightly camp dialog. Unfortunately the end of Brosnan's era and all of Craigs films have failed to deliver on one or more of these, most often in the area of the villains and bond is only really as good as his adversary.
I'd really like to see Andy Serkis as a bond villain - after his massive scene stealing in Black Panther (the best bit of that film for me) I'd love to see him set up in a volcano base with a white tiger as his 'pet' going completely off the deep end in his world domination madness. Instead we've had an accountant, the water board, Javia Bardem who's motivations I can't even remember and bonds 'brother' for whatever reason that was - maybe Malik can pull it off I guess we'll see but I'm not hopeful from the trailers.
Maybe I'm a dinosaur stick in the mud and a female 00 series of films will be wildly successful but I doubt it as other action series do things better on what the 'Bond films' have become.
I'd agree with this - I think the Mission Impossible fillms are better Bond films.
Unless I've missed something there are no plans at all to make any Female 00 series of films - none.Maybe I'm a dinosaur stick in the mud and a female 00 series of films will be wildly successful but I doubt it as other action series do things better on what the 'Bond films' have become.
I think thats just the point, everyone will have their favourite Bond one big reason is because over the years they have changed and evolved to meet the tastes of the audience they are selling to. The Bond films went from cold war agent to silly carry on style innuendos at one point to coming back to form under Brosnan. I actually enjoyed the Craig films because he was more of the cold blooded git that Bond probably should be. As I say times change and now film makers are looking at their audience and seeing that they need a different direction, people crying about the colour of the characters skin (Even though Money Penny is now black, M is female, Felix is black......) or getting their knickers in a twist over a female lead may as well talk to a brick wall.
Once there were green fields as far as the eye could see also.
I want a return to Bond walking by the pool to hotel reception with all the bikini-clad birds turning to look at him, the sexy audacious mofo that he is!
Name the film!
If they can’t make a Bond film better than this, they should just pack it in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeLrB5r1XEw
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I quite like the idea of a female 007....
fighting grime on kitchen floors around the world.
In combat with her arch enemy, PMT.....
Armed with a deadly 'shake and vac'.....
I can see it now.
Atomic Blonde was also a pretty good James Bond looky likey.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
That’s LGBTQ to DVD - there I corrected it for you!
Goldfinger, Hotel Fontainebleau but Connery's scenes were sets and backgrounds he never went there!I want a return to Bond walking by the pool to hotel reception with all the bikini-clad birds turning to look at him, the sexy audacious mofo that he is!
Name the film!
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Thanks, Tony!
Atomic Blonde was awesome, and Charlize did an outstanding job as an action star.
I said to my better half that Atomic Blonde is effectively the female James Bond, - I'll probably watch it again over the weekend.Atomic Blonde was awesome, and Charlize did an outstanding job as an action star.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
'Populism, the last refuge of a Tory scoundrel'.
You don't get away with that so easily......you missed LGBT.....and lets not forget the non specific trans gender community...add a smidgeon of age and mentally challenged for good measure too...... will deffo help the righteous liberals feel better about themselves.
All this is a fuss over nothing...I'm going back to watch my favourite...Living Daylights. I could watch this once a month and not get bored.
So, 007 was played by a man but is now played by a woman.
M, was played by a man, then a woman and now a man again.
James bond was played by a man and is still played by a man. I suspect he will always be played by a man.
Sorry if I've got this all wrong but I would normally be down the pub now. Instead, I've ended up drinking whisky at home and talking about people who don't exist.
Sounds about right - the bold is a guess not a spoiler.
Watching it now on 4HD, great film and Charlize Theron will never look better than she did in this, sexiest female in films today, oh and its got an amazing soundtrack...
What is this “downloading” one speaks of?
It’s Craig’s final film, there may be a gap til the next Bond as there has been in the past. This is no doubt a platform for some sort of spin off as an interim, they aren’t turning Bond into a black woman, they are using the 00 franchise to diversify into an offshoot. Could be good, could be cack, but the fact it’s with a black woman shouldn’t make any odds - this is 2020 after all, not the age of Alf Garnett. Bond himself will be back eventually, whether it’s a new origin story or whatever, to much fanfare with a new actor and no doubt a very expensive new Omega on his wrist!
Personally I was never a fan of the franchise until the Daniel Craig movies, which I’ve really enjoyed.
Aye, Alf Garnett was funny. Unlike The Blond Scouser.
He was born in Chester.
In the 1967 Casino Royale there were several female 007s, all with the cover name James Bond.
Don't just do something, sit there. - TNH
And it was so much better than the rotten remake.
The next Bond watch is going to be a... Cartier.
Every watch a story.
In the world of maximising revenue, I'm not sure whether a male or female 007 would bring in the most money from endorsements etc
The producers are not stupid. I think this is a business decision to make more money. It'll be interesting to see how they pull it off.
With respect to 007 being a black female, I've no issue. I'm sure the new lead is a very capable actress. Good luck to her.
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