My SPB077J1 is fine as far as I can tell
As I am in the process of purchasing a Seiko SPB077J1 and having looked at numerous watches nearly all seem to suffer from issues with alignment. I was surprise to find that even in the Seiko boutique watches suffered from the same issue. Is this normal for Seiko?
I have managed to source the watch below which is to my untrained eye looks fairly spot on.
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My SPB077J1 is fine as far as I can tell
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To some significant degree, yes. Even on the mid-range models of the type you are looking at. I had a SBDC053 which had the issue. My solution was to buy a ceramic insert from Yobokies and swapped them out myself. Such a shame that Seiko can't get this right even on relatively expensive item.
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I have found the biggest issue being the 6 and 12 o'clock marker against the outer minute markers.
I had chapter ring alignment issues on some MM300’s I had in the past and those are not cheap. The last one I had was perfect. It’s a shame they don’t do a little to get this right.
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Yes OP, the chaptor ring is a knats off, but not by much. It depends what your watch OCD is like .
I sent a SKX009 to Seiko the Netherlands to be aligned. It was fixed but had some caseback marks.
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I sent a watch to Seiko UK with worse alignment and they sent it back untouched as they said it was within their tolerance.
No harm asking though.
It's definitely Seiko's Achilles heel. Never had issues w similarly priced Citizen.
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It’s off about half mm to one mm at 6 and 12. Your red line through 6 shows this. It would bother me. If you can’t see it then don’t let it worry you.
I tried one of these on at Jura once, really great watch, but the alignment was miles out, much worse than the example you found. I’d say go for it if you’re happy with the tolerance outlined by Vortgern
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A fair point.
OP, I would say that I experienced a similar alignment issue on a subC that I purchased a few years ago (the weekend after the EU ref result - not that I was celebrating it!!). The bezel markers were slightly off from the respective dial markers. I didn't think that this was acceptable on a nearly £6k watch so returned if for a full refund as was the policy at the AD at the time. I might have been more forgiving if the rrp of the watch was in the £100s.
Please be aware Seiko regard a misaligned bezel as within spec.they won’t do anything under warranty.
I had a look at the below watch yesterday and cannot decide if the chapter ring is slightly misaligned against the marker or if it’s just the way the chapter ring is angled into the dial.
Am I expecting to much from a watch at this price point?
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To my eyes the chapter ring is off by about half a mm to the left of the 12.
Your red line does not run through the centre of the double index at 12.
I wouldn’t buy this one, as it would bother me.
A lot of others wouldn’t notice or wouldn’t care.
If you can’t see it or don’t want to see it then I’m not sure why you are asking strangers if it bothers them.
The fact you keep asking suggests it does bother you. If so then perhaps Seikos in this price range aren’t for you. Many if not most will have some issue or other.
Having said that much more expensive watches can have defects or imperfections too.
You just need to decide what level of imperfection you personally are prepared to live with.
Thank you for the reply. To my eye it does seem to be slightly off as you say.
I have now viewed at least 20 + watches in various AD including the Seiko boutique and all seem to be like this at the 12 marker.
I am just wondering if the angle of the chapter ring where it meets the dial gives this impression rather than them all actually being slightly misaligned hence the question.
What I noticed yesterday that if viewed from a slightly different angle other than straight on then the issue is gone.
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Kieran, seriously if you like the watch get it bought especially if you can get a decent discount.
You could take a photo of the same watch from a slightly different angle and something could look out the other way by a similar half a gnats chuff.
They're great watches but if you go looking for things like that you'll find them, take photos and convince yourself something is out one way or the other depending on the perspective.
"What I noticed yesterday that if viewed from a slightly different angle other than straight on then the issue is gone."
This for me. The watch you shows looks perfectly acceptable. I've seen photos where the alignment is way out and very obvious, this is not the same and for me it's all abut perspective. Buy it and enjoy it.
Go Citizen to avoid alignment issues. They clearly have higher assembly QC. That's not stopped me buying about 20 Seikos over the years, lol.
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Def a fraction out but acceptable to me.
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I think you should stop letting other people dictate what's acceptable or not. Personally, I really can't see any problem with any of the watches pictured above. You're seeing things that aren't there in any meaningful sense.
Perhaps if you really squint at it or maybe examine it under a loupe all day then yes, it will drive you mad, but this would be the behaviour of someone who is mad anyway.
Otherwise, you can put the watch on, wear it and not worry about a gnat's cock worth of misalignment.
Just my opinion anyway
Isn’t it at about this stage in every alignment thread that someone pops up to to witter on about that daft Warren Beatty picture?
30% off retail? Cannot see it being a problem. Anyway, it’s rare that the watch will be perfectly aligned when you check the time, so this minute imperfection really isn’t worth getting hung up about. At full price, maybe.
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My local Seiko ad is the Halifax watch co (Canada) and their watches are always 25% off RRP. I’m beginning to think this is decent!?
I've seen Seikos with very misaligned chapter rings and bezels. Personally, there's nothing in the pictures above which would trouble me.
It is a bit annoying that Seiko can't up their game in this regard though.
I had an SKX and it was only when I put it up for sale that it was pointed out to me that the chapter ring was slightly off. But it's a Seiko, they all do that sir and the guy who spotted it ended up buying it anyway.
An SPB077 is next on my list and I'll be taking a loupe with me to hopefully find one with a misaligned chapter ring and negotiate a discount. I initially thought the problem was due to the printing being out of whack as it's usually only at one or two indices where it's apparent, but I've since discovered on SKX's at least that the outer diameter of the chapter ring is slightly too small allowing for up/down and side to side movement inside the case. You need to remove the crystal and align the ring with the movement in place and a dab of glue on the back of the ring to hold it there. It's a bit of a pita but fixable and I'd rather do that than pay RRP or small discount on a perfect example.
as mentioned a bunch of times though, with a handheld photo, its impossible to tell.
that image for example shows slightly more of the right side of the watch than the left, so watch is not dead center to the camera and is not bang on level. take the worst alignment and you will be able to find an angle that makes it invisible.
If it takes this much analysis, then really, why worry?
Or, if its going to keep you awake at night, then maybe a seiko, with well know alignment issues just isnt for you.
Did you get the 30% off in the end?
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Indeed looks bob on, good work
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I have owned 20+ Seiko watches and never had an alignment problem. I assumed I'd had a perfect ownership experience...but now I'm thinking I just wasn't anal enough to put enough rulers and laser lines on them.