That would be much fun.
Get some!
Seen this one a few times and does kind of look quite good fun!!
Must get the adrenaline going for both sides although I suspect the pirates quite quickly realised they may have made a mistake however a little too late!!
They need the assault rifles to stop them then something a lot bigger to blow the boat out of the water once it's immobilised!!
Chris
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34095843
Doesn't always work out well for the contractors, and the pirates here look like the bosses!
You have to remember that Somali pirates are desperate and only paid something like $200 a pop to hijack the ship. I think it would take a certain mentality to be ok with killing someone like that.
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This was a thread saying it looked fun. I'm not arguing that it isn't necessary I'm saying I wouldn't want to do it.
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Were I confronted by a bunch of these characters in a small boat firing their AK-47's up at me, ask me if I would return fire with what heavy weaponry I had available or would I ponder moral issues and think slowly and deeply about the 'yuman rites' of this shower trying to kill me?
A coconut for the first correct answer!
Seriously?
I'd be more concerned about the total lack of professional skills shown by the operatives in this film.
The arc of fire for the main "shooter" includes the lower deck and his oppo!
I think it safe to say his Special Ops experience is restricted to Call of Duty.
does look fun. Imagine the children asking where daddy is and what's for dinner at the end of the day. Hilarious.
Only talked to two people with intimate knowledge of it (mates an exec at a massive shipping company and a marine who was deployed there) and they both say its desperation. Somalia isn't exactly a country where the poor have opportunity. I believe that to make the hunt 'fun' you have to look at who is recruiting them and brokering the return of the ships rather than those who are treated as cannon fodder.
Christ I sound like a hippy, I'm not, I'm massively capitalist. However, a recent trip to India opened my eyes to the true exploitation of those with nothing and having had a rather fortunate 32 years on this earth (own a well performing company, partner in a new consultancy, own a house outright, girlfriend's a good person and a lawyer, so she's basically a unicorn), it was a proper reality check as to how these things aren't all black and white.
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I think they are mostly black.
Just wondering on the legality of being able to fire on the pirates? I guess it comes under self defence, are there rules of engagement? I'm not questioning the action, go for it as far as I'm concerned, just curious as to if it's legal to have a free for all out there.
Cheers..
Jase
No idea how you came to that conclusion. I'm saying that one would hope that someone stationed on a boat in a protection role, such as those being discussed in this thread, would have given consideration to the morality etc of what the job will entail before accepting it. If someone felt there was a moral argument against shooting Somalian pirates, then I doubt they'd have accepted a job where the core function would be to do just that when the need arose.
If Somali pirates approach a ship with a view to taking control of that ship with the use of lethal weapons to assist their cause, they can hardly complain if lethal force is used against them!
I know a ship's captain quite well and he told me that areas around Indonesia were much more dangerous than the gulf. The pirates are wealthier and much more heavily armed.
I doubt that I would find it fun, I would be more likely to be suffering from a panic attack. Mind you, despite being a fairly good shot on the range when we were allowed to do such things, armed combat is hardly my trade so I guess that's understandable to a degree.
I guess that things are unlikely to improve until the place they come from has some kind of functional government and social structure. Not sure when that's likely to be.
In the meantime, those opting for the pirate route are adults and as such accountable for their actions. They have no cause for complaint if they are shot are blown up whilst about their business. Mind you, I'm not sure that they have complained - its more observers from afar and the comfort of their sofas......
Anyway, if I were working on a ship passing through these are any similar waters I would be more than happy for security staff on board to do whatever they felt necessary to stop pirates getting on board. Blast away.
Jesus. People are arguing whether this video is alright or not from legal and moral points of view. No wonder you have terrorist attacks over there in the UK.
You must not have seen those pirate skiffs BLOWN OUT (literally) by the Russian Navy a few years ago. They used bazookas, machine guns, assault rifles on those suckers and no one complained a thing. They hardly gave a damn either.
Being poor is not an excuse to do bad things to people or the environment. Regardless of the situation.
The people that are doing these things are either lazy or unintelligent. This narrows down their options in life.
I'm sure there are plenty of people in Somalia having jobs, working for a living... They probably can't afford a trip to the Bahamas but at least no one gets to shoot at them at the "office".
Life can be harsh in such countries but people CAN survive just as how they've always survived.
If Somalian Pirates attack a ship- owned or chartered to a UK company, Registered in UK, or with any UK crew onboard...............
1,500 Somalians and their families (naturalised UK citizens or not) - are rounded up, assets siezed - and they are shipped back to Somalia (using their assets to pay the fares).
every time.
The following year - a kind of "Index-linking" should be applied - and 2,000 should be exported on each occasion.
And so on..................
If every country adopts this (non-violent) response - pretty soon all Somalians will be back in Somalia.
(It has been asked of me before - "What good would that do?" )
What harm would it do????
Piracy was ignored for decades while people and governments viewed it as a kind of "hazard of being a seafarer"...................... Air travel got much more attention.
So ship back a lot of disenfranchised Somalis who had the sense to get out who then have no alternative but to turn to crime? Genius. This round up/burn down their village of those with a notional link to the perpetrator approach has been tried before elsewhere, all over Europe. It didn't work long term.
A bit of a generalisation, but a Met Policeman friend of mine said that the Somali criminal population in London are the nastiest, ruthless, horrible people he has ever had to deal with.
Shooting people in the boat from elevated position using semi and full auto bursts. Absolutely terrible. May be these poor souls were after supplies or wanted to ask for directions?
Fas est ab hoste doceri
I always aim to please.
Fas est ab hoste doceri
I think that any time you have to use the expression 'round up' to refer to arbitrarily chosen members of a wider group, you really have to question your own humanity.
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Not saying don't return fire, just saying the ethos in which it has been presented here is overly simplistic and quite distasteful to me.
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On a different note; why don't the pirates have RPG's ? Then send in a lad with a message "Give us large bags of wonga, or we make many nasty, burning holes in the side of your big boat" ??
If you watch carefully, the first three or four shots the camera guy fires hit the metal railing he's leaning on - he should probably pay better attention to his aim than his GoPro.