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    Ebola outbreak: UK sending 750 troops to Sierra Leone
    Ebola outbreak: UK sending 750 troops to Sierra Leone

    The UK is sending 750 military personnel to Sierra Leone to help deal with the deadly Ebola outbreak, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has confirmed.

    The UK will also send medical ship the RFA Argus and three helicopters. The personnel will be deployed next week.

    It comes as Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said it was "now entirely possible that someone with Ebola will come to the UK either by one route or another".

    [...]

    It comes as:

    The first patient diagnosed with Ebola in the US, Thomas Eric Duncan, has died, Texas hospital officials say
    Travellers from Ebola-affected countries will face increased security scrutiny at five major US airports
    A Spanish nurse - the first person to contract the virus outside West Africa - says she remembers touching her face after treating a dying priest
    Jeremy Hunt says the UK is taking the threat "incredibly seriously" and "we need to be prepared"
    Downing Street says plans for protecting the UK were discussed at a Cobra meeting, although the risk remains "low"
    Public Health England repeats there are no plans to introduce screening for those arriving in the UK
    First Minister Alex Salmond says he is "confident" Scotland's NHS is ready should there be a case there
    A headteacher blames "misguided hysteria" for the cancellation of a visit to Stockport by a nine-year-old boy from Sierra Leone

    Mr Hammond, speaking in Washington with US Secretary of State John Kerry, said military and civilian teams were already in Sierra Leone, working on constructing five new Ebola treatment facilities with 700 beds.

    He said that at a meeting of the government's Cobra emergency committee in London - which he joined via video link - the decision was made to deploy the RFA Argus to Freetown, Sierra Leone's capital, along with the three Merlin helicopters.

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    I sleep easy, secure in the knowledge that our virtually 'open doors' immigration policy allied to the crisis management skills of our efficient and honourable government is all that is needed to contain any Ebola problem in the UK.
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    Hehe

    Quote Originally Posted by KavKav View Post
    I sleep easy, secure in the knowledge that our virtually 'open doors' immigration policy allied to the crisis management skills of our efficient and honourable government is all that is needed to contain any Ebola problem in the UK.
    Now you've got me really worried. ;-)
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    Over here in Spain the incompetence is way more worrying than ebola itself.

    The second case in Spain:
    - the nurse unwittingly contracted it because she touched bare skin with het gloves when she took off her protective suit
    - the local medical services were unaware of her having been in Sierra Leona as nurse to the epidemic and she did not inform them either
    - when she developed a fever she called the medical emergency services and did inform them that she might have ebola
    - two docters came without any protection
    - as she was now seriously feverish she was transferred to hospital in a normal ambulance without any protection
    - it was not untill after having been submitted to the emergency that someone had the idea she needed be isolated
    - nów panic struck and without any inspection her dog was killed and disposed of
    - before and after, government has stated that maximum measurements are in place and we can trust it will not spread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    Over here in Spain the incompetence is way more worrying than ebola itself.

    The second case in Spain:
    - the nurse unwittingly contracted it because she touched bare skin with het gloves when she took off her protective suit
    - the local medical services were unaware of her having been in Sierra Leona as nurse to the epidemic and she did not inform them either
    - when she developed a fever she called the medical emergency services and did inform them that she might have ebola
    - two docters came without any protection
    - as she was now seriously feverish she was transferred to hospital in a normal ambulance without any protection
    - it was not untill after having been submitted to the emergency that someone had the idea she needed be isolated
    - nów panic struck and without any inspection her dog was killed and disposed of
    - before and after, government has stated that maximum measurements are in place and we can trust it will not spread
    Huerticilla old chum, you want to see incompetence? Come over here for a while and you will witness it on the grand scale!

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    I presume that sending 750 service personnel to Sierra Leone, in the thick of it, is the best way of training them to deal with the disease, just in case it does arrive here in the UK in force... If it does arrive here in any numbers, no doubt we will be very grateful for those well trained service personnel with practical knowledge of management of the disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artistmike View Post
    I presume that sending 750 service personnel to Sierra Leone, in the thick of it, is the best way of training them to deal with the disease, just in case it does arrive here in the UK in force... If it does arrive here in any numbers, no doubt we will be very grateful for those well trained service personnel with practical knowledge of management of the disease.
    One might hope that they will have received training before they go... ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KavKav View Post
    Huerticilla old chum, you want to see incompetence? Come over here for a while and you will witness it on the grand scale!
    The dog has been killed and incinerated without taking any blood samples thus nothing can be posssibly learned.

    Meanwhile the governing bodies ´assure´us that everything was in place and all complied with correctly.

    It is less worrying to know that is incorrect than to believe. If all was as secure as possible and stíll out of controll I woúld worry seriously.

    The world wide panic is disconcerting.
    International cycling competition is being cancelled as is football in p.e. Morocco.
    I smell a rat; we are being manipulated again.
    All international travel will be restricted even more by blanket security I bet.
    Mandatory inocculations are at the horozon too.
    Political incompetence will remain at large ofcourse.

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    So almost any direct contact with infected material and people is enough for it to spread and people think there's nothing to worry about? Bat poop mentalists. I sense a pending natural reduction in the human population of the earth
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    Quote Originally Posted by markrlondon View Post
    One might hope that they will have received training before they go... ;-)
    True, but as I'm sure you realise, training, and practical hands on experience in the field, are totally different things. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by markrlondon View Post
    One might hope that they will have received training before they go... ;-)
    Regardles they are at the sharp end of the stick and only human.

    What back up do they have when they do contract ebola? It is not a question whether they will, just how many. So what will happen Will they be repatriated or what? With these numbers we are no longer talking about 1 or 2 infected.
    What is the contingency? Is the UK ready to deal with more? and what about the logistics? Will they thus need be treated over there?

    I am not religuous but I do wish them well with all positive energy I can muster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gray View Post
    So almost any direct contact with infected material and people is enough for it to spread and people think there's nothing to worry about?
    It is infectious, of course, but manageably so, it seems. See the links in #48, one of which includes this passage:

    Responding to cases involves isolation and treatment of patients, contact tracing, and monitoring each contact for 21 days after exposure. It is difficult to isolate and care for patients with EVD, not because the disease is particularly infectious or the virus particularly hardy, but because a single lapse can be devastating. Neither negative air flow nor special respirators are essential; meticulous attention to gown, glove, mask, and eye protection and great care while removing protective equipment are key. Improved hospital infection control throughout the region would prevent a substantial number of EVD and other illnesses. Soap and water or alcohol-based hand sanitizers readily disrupt the envelope of this single-stranded RNA virus, and decontamination with dilute bleach is effective and readily available even in remote settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gray View Post
    So almost any direct contact with infected material and people is enough for it to spread and people think there's nothing to worry about? Bat poop mentalists. I sense a pending natural reduction in the human population of the earth
    Well, even the black plague was only a glitch which mostly served to make the surviving part more affluent so don´t worry too much about the latter.

    As to the former I simly do not know.
    What I see is mass hysteria and shock politics. Since this all comes to us through the mass media and the those are tightly controlled, I am more apprehensive about the hidden agendas then about Ebola.
    Africa is in effect being isolated rapidly. Since economically it is largely owned by China, China will no doubt appear as a political player in this field too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artistmike View Post
    True, but as I'm sure you realise, training, and practical hands on experience in the field, are totally different things. :-)
    Very true. ;-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    Regardles they are at the sharp end of the stick and only human.

    What back up do they have when they do contract ebola? It is not a question whether they will, just how many. So what will happen Will they be repatriated or what? With these numbers we are no longer talking about 1 or 2 infected.
    What is the contingency? Is the UK ready to deal with more? and what about the logistics? Will they thus need be treated over there?

    I am not religuous but I do wish them well with all positive energy I can muster.
    For what it's worth, I have more faith in the Army, Navy or Air Force handling the situation competently than many civilian governmental organisations. One can only presume that all of these questions have been thought through and contingencies calculated. One certainly hopes so.

    I'd imagine that small numbers of infected personnel would be repatriated and brought back to the Royal Free Hospital's isolation unit (the Royal Free happens to be near where I live).

    As an aside, the Royal Free's isolation unit used to be on a separate site to the main hospital at a location that was just outside London when it was originally built (some time last Century). My father was a patient there for a while around 2000 in fact (but not for Ebola!). However, by the end of the 20th Century, the expansion of London had caught up with the isolation unit site and surrounded it and so, not long after my father was a patient, the site was sold off for housing development and the isolation unit was moved to the Royal Free's main site in Hampstead, allegedly on one of the upper floors. I'm not sure that having an isolation unit on one of the upper floors of a very busy general hospital in a densely populated part of London is necessarily the best idea in the world but one presumes that the NHS knows what it's doing. ;-) There has already been at least one Ebola victim from the current outbreak cared for there.

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    750 person drug trial is my guess.
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    http://news.sky.com/story/1349890/eb...airport-checks
    Mr Hunt said it was impossible to rule out an ebola-infected traveller entering the UK.He said: "It is now entirely possible that someone with ebola will come to the UK by one route or another but we have very, very good plans in place.

    The NHS has a proven track record of dealing with and helping people with ebola.


    Our ambulance services are equipped with the protective suits.

    But the most important thing we can do to protect the UK's population is to play our part in making sure that the disease is contained in west Africa."
    In balance:-
    http://news.sky.com/story/1349206/ho...ebola-outbreak
    The hospitals already have infectious disease units and have been lined up to provide "surge capacity" if the virus spreads to Britain.
    ....
    London's Royal Free Hospital - where British nurse William Pooley was successfully treated - is currently the only specialised High Level Isolation Unit in the UK, with two containment beds.

    Further specialist equipment would be transferred from the Royal Free to units in Sheffield, Newcastle and Liverpool in the event of a larger outbreak.


    The UK is well prepared for any cases, with "pretty good facilities" but lacks "valuable ebola experience", virologist Dr Ben Neuman told Sky.
    However, I really hope Dr Neuman and others know what they are actually talking about and we have an adequate training and resources in place for early detection, tracing and traction, isolation, monitoring, quarantine observation and enforcement, evd patientS management, contaminated waste management, people, equipment and facilities disinfection as well as the necessary equipment supply chain and logistics figured out in more than one location. Simultaneously.

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    True to the good educative spirit of TZ-UK, here's a link to the evolving UK health professionals' page of background information, isolation protocols etc:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...t-and-guidance

    it's managed by Public Health England, and much of the UK planned Ebola response is based on policies and procedures developed during the swine flu epidemic and during planning and incident exercises we did before the 2012 Olympics (I.e. It's actually another positive legacy of what was often thought at the time to be an over reaction: I don't hear so much about that now...).

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    London's Royal Free Hospital - where British nurse William Pooley was successfully treated - is currently the only specialised High Level Isolation Unit in the UK, with two containment beds.
    Ah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VDG View Post
    London's Royal Free Hospital - where British nurse William Pooley was successfully treated - is currently the only specialised High Level Isolation Unit in the UK, with two containment beds.
    That seems like a very small number. The former Royal Free isolation unit I mentioned in #65 had room for dozens, although it certainly wasn't staffed for dozens when my father was there and there seemed to be very few patients at the time.

    Presumably therefore "containment beds" means beds specifically set up for full containment, which would not be needed for most patients even in an isolation unit. One also presumes and hopes that they can set up more containment beds and staff them in a hurry, if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stooo View Post
    750 person drug trial is my guess.
    They are going there to practice the application of mass quarantine, curfews and Martial Law. Their training prior to going will consist of viewings of 28 Days Later and 28 Weeks Later.

    More seriously (hopefully), will they be wearing NBC protective clothing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markrlondon View Post
    That seems like a very small number. The former Royal Free isolation unit I mentioned in #65 had room for dozens, although it certainly wasn't staffed for dozens when my father was there and there seemed to be very few patients at the time.

    Presumably therefore "containment beds" means beds specifically set up for full containment, which would not be needed for most patients even in an isolation unit. One also presumes and hopes that they can set up more containment beds and staff them in a hurry, if needed.
    Somewhere in storage there is at least one field hospital designed specifically to deal with contagious folk... I hope it is someones job to keep track of where such things are ;)

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    Back to the dog.
    It is a befitting illustration of incompetence.

    The infected nurse lived with her dog and husband in a flat.
    She walked the dog several times daily and it relieved itself all over the parks in the neighborhood.

    Because it was deemed a potential risc the dog was killed.
    It was also immediately cramated.
    No samples taken.
    We now not know whether the dog was infected.
    The problem is that the public was in effect told that the dog COULD be a risc. THAT means that it's excrements can be.
    No way to exclude this anymore.

    To illustrate the crazyness further, the nurse went for a haircut and depilation at a hairdresser/ethetics salon in the neighborhood when she already had a slight fever.
    All the shops are now announcing that it was not in theirs and no shop has been closed, yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrus View Post
    Somewhere in storage there is at least one field hospital designed specifically to deal with contagious folk... I hope it is someones job to keep track of where such things are ;)
    That may have been picked up when the old civil defence equipment was overhauled back in 2001 after the twin towers, it was all in a bloody awful mess, I believe Hawk-eye over in Yorkshire could be involved maybe.


    Who said that.



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    ....and now the world heath organisation is fundamentally at odds with the US CDC about contagiousness.
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    Government incompetence will prove the biggest killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    ....and now the world heath organisation is fundamentally at odds with the US CDC about contagiousness.
    In what way, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drmarkf View Post
    True to the good educative spirit of TZ-UK, here's a link to the evolving UK health professionals' page of background information, isolation protocols etc:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...t-and-guidance

    it's managed by Public Health England, and much of the UK planned Ebola response is based on policies and procedures developed during the swine flu epidemic and during planning and incident exercises we did before the 2012 Olympics (I.e. It's actually another positive legacy of what was often thought at the time to be an over reaction: I don't hear so much about that now...).
    One thing I can't track down on that site are NHS England's Ebola Operational Updates. I think Issue 06 may be the latest. That, at least, contains some reassurance that the UK is planning ahead:

    3. NHS Planning and response
    3.1 The repatriated patient [William Pooley] has been discharged from in the national specialist High Level Isolation Unit (HLIU) at the Royal Free Hospital, London. It should be noted that it only has two high level containment beds [TREXLER]. Appropriate and agreed PPE has been procured and will be held by the Royal Free Hospital. They will escalate this kit to the additional 3 UK based Infectious Disease Isolation Hospitals who are planning as surge units (Newcastle, Sheffield and Liverpool) that have been identified as being able to respond to EVD patients if the need arises.

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    No need to worry, Englishers.


    Shrek & Princess Fiona will no doubt be announcing later today that it's "Scotland's Ebola, not England's."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    In what way, please?
    About how 'airborne' infection is.
    About transmission through infected surfaces.
    About what is 'fever' as symptom after possible contact.

    The CDC is much more 'reassuring'.


    Over here in Spain it is painfully clear that protocols have been insufficient as the present case is a nurse who in Madrid was assisting the two pastors who have succumbed to ebola.

    The ebola patients were imported into Spain without proper safety measures in place.
    One nurse has contracted the disease.
    No proper safety measures where even prepaired and as of yet we only know that we are at best not properly informed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    About how 'airborne' infection is.
    About transmission through infected surfaces.
    About what is 'fever' as symptom after possible contact.

    The CDC is much more 'reassuring'.


    Over here in Spain it is painfully clear that protocols have been insufficient as the present case is a nurse who in Madrid was assisting the two pastors who have succumbed to ebola.

    The ebola patients were imported into Spain without proper safety measures in place.
    One nurse has contracted the disease.
    No proper safety measures where even prepaired and as of yet we only know that we are at best not properly informed.
    CDC: Airborne Ebola possible but unlikely

    WHO admits sneezing could transmit Ebola..."which does not mean airborne transmission"

    Infected Spanish nurse 'may have touched face' That, I think, would be a breach of the protocol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    Infected Spanish nurse 'may have touched face' That, I think, would be a breach of the protocol.
    She was neither monitored during nor followed afterwards.

    For the moment is 'MAY HAVE' only because of things having gone wrong during and after.

    After the nurse sounding the alarm things went so basically wrong as to be comical if it were not potentially lethal.

    Lastly it is despicable to criminalise the nurse who was a volunteer to assist with the two dying pastors.
    She was seriously let down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    She was neither monitored during nor followed afterwards.

    For the moment is 'MAY HAVE' only because of things having gone wrong during and after.

    After the nurse sounding the alarm things went so basically wrong as to be comical if it were not potentially lethal.

    Lastly it is despicable to criminalise the nurse who was a volunteer to assist with the two dying pastors.
    She was seriously let down.
    Not sure what your sources are, but IMHO they've identified a possible breach of protocol which, if true, is the likely cause of the nurse's infection. I think that's a good thing. As far as I know she is not the subject or criminal charges, nor is she likely to be. If she is criticised, then that may be her due, but that would depend upon establishing that her training was full and adequate and the equipment itself made no contribution to the error. So, there's plenty more to be investigated before they can even think of blaming her, but I'm not aware of attempt to use her as a scapegoat. But there may be different reporting in Spain that I am not aware of.

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    I see the media has caught onto this over the last few days and is 'pushing' it as their main story? Amazing how a story can become what they want it to....and gets the people scared.

    Remember 'swine flu' , the hype and the subsequent non-story then?

    Not saying necessarily that Ebola won't become a serious case but boy, aren't they making it the big story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    Not sure what your sources are, but IMHO they've identified a possible breach of protocol which, if true, is the likely cause of the nurse's infection. I think that's a good thing. As far as I know she is not the subject or criminal charges, nor is she likely to be. If she is criticised, then that may be her due, but that would depend upon establishing that her training was full and adequate and the equipment itself made no contribution to the error. So, there's plenty more to be investigated before they can even think of blaming her, but I'm not aware of attempt to use her as a scapegoat. But there may be different reporting in Spain that I am not aware of.
    I am in Spain and officials are declaring those things.
    Yes there is a LOT going on you apparently are not aware of.
    The nurse is very much being scapegoated.
    Meanwhile the doctor who treated her in the first hospital she was brought to without safety measures has developed symptoms and is in hospital.

    The bottom line is that two imported patients have resulted in an uncontained infected nurse.
    Medicos sin Fronteras have been attending some 4000 and heave experience 2 infected personel and no further spread. They have not been consulted at any moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarto View Post
    I see the media has caught onto this over the last few days and is 'pushing' it as their main story? Amazing how a story can become what they want it to....and gets the people scared.

    Remember 'swine flu' , the hype and the subsequent non-story then?

    Not saying necessarily that Ebola won't become a serious case but boy, aren't they making it the big story.
    Rather that Swine flu or Bird Flu perhaps a better example is AID's. The main difference between the two is that Ebola takes 21 days to show where as AIDs takes a lot longer.

    As for transmission - I believe that you have to come in contact with the carriers blood - rather than other fluid. The problem is that in later stages of Ebola people bleed from every orifice including eyes and ears - very unpleasant.

    So my recommendation to everyone - do touch anyone who has had flu like symptoms for a few days and then starts bleeding without a good explanation - or if you do, wear an NBC suit.

    I also believe that providing its caught early then its very treatable (especially in a 21st Century Hospital and not a shack in Africa) . If the patient starts to bleed then its most likely to late.

    Chances are you are still more likely to be hit by lightening or mown down by a drunken driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarto View Post
    Remember 'swine flu' , the hype and the subsequent non-story then?
    Yes. At the time I was deemed to be part of the indispensable part of the population and subjected to obligatory vaccination.
    It fizzed out before it went off. My resignation was imminent though.
    Hundreds of thousands of vaccines had already been bought.

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    [QUOTE=Andyg;3290581
    I also believe that providing its caught early then its very treatable (especially in a 21st Century Hospital and not a shack in Africa) . If the patient starts to bleed then its most likely to late.[/QUOTE]


    The real disease is poverty.
    From what I gather pretty basic personal hygene goes a long way in containing ebola but water & soap to wash hands are rather a luxury in the affected zones.
    So let us send some more soldiers and contain the people themselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    I am in Spain and officials are declaring those things.
    Yes there is a LOT going on you apparently are not aware of.
    The nurse is very much being scapegoated.
    Meanwhile the doctor who treated her in the first hospital she was brought to without safety measures has developed symptoms and is in hospital.

    The bottom line is that two imported patients have resulted in an uncontained infected nurse.
    Medicos sin Fronteras have been attending some 4000 and heave experience 2 infected personel and no further spread. They have not been consulted at any moment.
    There do seem to have been plenty of mistakes made...and not by nursing assistant Ramos: link.

    Indeed this article says:

    "The Spanish nursing aide infected with Ebola believes she might have caught the virus by touching her face with a gloved hand after treating a missionary brought here from Sierra Leone, a doctor said Wednesday.

    “That’s what she recalls and what she has told me three times,” Germán Ramírez Olivencia said at a news conference, offering the first possible explanation of how Ebola spread for the first time beyond West Africa. “It appears that we’ve found the origin.”

    Since the contagion was reported on Monday, other medical workers have complained about flawed protective gear they wore while treating the Spanish missionary, who died Sept. 25.

    Dr. Ramírez’s finding, if confirmed as the cause of contagion, would shift the blame to human error—and alleviate some of the concern for other governments that rely on standardized Ebola protocols as they treat infected patients brought home from Africa.
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    Has the doctor developed symptoms? All I can find is that he and a colleague have been admitted "for precautionary observation" (also here).

    A lot will depend upon how the media is handling the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ach5 View Post
    I read a great book (non fiction) last year calle The Hot Zone - buy it, read it & be terrified!
    It has the image of the Ebola-virus particle. I've always used it as an example of an image where we might question the sense in which the image "looks like" the thing it represents. After all, it is 112 000 x magnification.

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    PS The book as been around for some time (1994).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
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    Dr. Ramírez’s finding, if confirmed as the cause of contagion, would shift the blame to human error—and alleviate some of the concern for other governments that rely on standardized Ebola protocols as they treat infected patients brought home from Africa.
    It would not since there should have been an observer/helper present when putting on/taking off the gear.
    It would simply emphasis that the nurse has been let down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla View Post
    It would not since there should have been an observer/helper present when putting on/taking off the gear.
    It would simply emphasis that the nurse has been let down.
    Yes, can one person remove their own gloves, face mask etc without contaminating themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Yes, can one person remove their own gloves, face mask etc without contaminating themselves?
    I would not know but from what I gather there should be someone overseeing to prevent human error.

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    Not everyone, it would seem, is taking this lightly. I believe the story is that a man on this flight sneezed, and then joked that he was just back from Africa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hogthrob View Post
    Not everyone, it would seem, is taking this lightly. I believe the story is that a man on this flight sneezed, and then joked that he was just back from Africa.
    If the story is correct then that's surely stupid. If they were that worried then they should ban everyone from Africa or who has been to Africa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by markrlondon View Post
    If the story is correct then that's surely stupid. If they were that worried then they should ban everyone from Africa or who has been to Africa!
    Well, that has happened already in sports.

    Even in medieval centuries the people were not this easily manipulated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KavKav View Post
    I sleep easy, secure in the knowledge that our virtually 'open doors' immigration policy allied to the crisis management skills of our efficient and honourable government is all that is needed to contain any Ebola problem in the UK.
    As I sarcastically predicted, our inept, spineless and uselessly incompetent government are frightened to even use non-contact temperature probes to check incomimg passengers from high risk countries. Suspect passengers will merely be 'asked questions' about how they are feeling!
    Yea, right, that REALLY solves the problem then!!!!!
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    Americans will save us!They will send army to every "ebola" country and save people :D
    They will provide medical services to the people outside US,and US citizens that have no medical insurance...well...screw them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KavKav View Post
    As I sarcastically predicted, our inept, spineless and uselessly incompetent government are frightened to even use non-contact temperature probes to check incomimg passengers from high risk countries. Suspect passengers will merely be 'asked questions' about how they are feeling!
    Yea, right, that REALLY solves the problem then!!!!!
    Ah, here is one who wánts still more scans for our own good.

    I think next I am flying I will wear a gas mask.
    Nah, that will probably be prohibited because it would not do for facial recognition systems. For my own good.

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