Actually, having done a bit of research on the t’intersphere, it is not unusual to be able to palpate the liver.Originally Posted by noTAGlove
When lying down and taking a big deep breath apparently this drops the edge of the liver down from the protective rib cage so the doctor can feel it.
This is what the doctor did to me, but she obviously felt it was larger than normal.
Not sure anyone needed that information!!
Great thread and thanks for being so honest !
No offence taken at all, and quite possibly I could agree with you, and maybe my ‘quite possibly’ is denial, who knows.
It is habit rather than need, when the habit is broken, I neither miss or require it. Just a habit I fell into.
I’m consuming far less than I did when I despised a job that affected me mentally and physically, which resulted in far more concerning mental health challenges, but am happily through that now.
I quit smoking, have my weight now back in check (ish), and seek to not find happiness from buying an ever increasing number of watches I can afford but don’t need - trinkets are no longer my view on success.
Dave, thank you for your support; helps to make me feel that whilst not through it all, that there are people that can appreciate some people might naturally drink more than others & that they realise it isn’t the perfect way.
M
similar story for me and about the same age. I cut out beer, bread and shit morning cereals. Lost about stone and a half. Still drink as much as before (wine) but replaced beer with gin and slimline or whiskey. Liver is back to normal after 12 months
I grew up around some pretty serious alcohol problems that affected one of the most beautiful people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. He was my Mum's partner through my early and mid teens and was a key influence on my life in many ways. They broke up because of his drinking and the void he left behind was painful. I wish someone had had a frank talk with him, or maybe they did and he didn't listen, I don't know. What I do know is that because of his drinking and also smoking he ended up with throat cancer and a tube in his throat. It got blocked one night and he died alone on his lawn, presumably trying to get help. I'm welling up just writing this, and how he died has always been a centrepiece in my consciousness as a marker of what can happen when people succumb to addictions. I also miss him.
If you don't have your health it is very difficult to enjoy life's rich tapestry. Please look after yourself, you're only here once and your body is a miracle in itself. It deserves love and to be treated well so that it serves you for years to come
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Sadly, this is starting to be a Specialist subject...... and it is much more complicated than just alcohol, diabetes, obesity or any other individual condition.
I started with NAFLD, developed Liver Cancer and spent the recent Christmas in hospital with a severe, related, bleed.
Happy to chat offline, but I have learnt a lot about what does complicate this condition and the medical inter relationships between Gastro, Liver and Diabetic.
My immediate advice is not to focus on any one aspect but to understand what is really affecting you.... and for goodness sake, don’t ignore or become complacent. 24 hours in December was the difference between life and.........
Jon
Really sorry to hear that Jon. It sounds like you’ve had a really tough time. I had the big C eleven years ago so can empathise with your situation. Stay strong.
You have a pm
I grew up around some pretty serious alcohol problems that affected one of the most beautiful people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. He was my Mum's partner through my early and mid teens and was a key influence on my life in many ways. I wish someone had had a frank talk with him, or maybe they did and he didn't listen, I don't know. What I do know is that because of his drinking and also smoking he ended up with throat cancer and a tube in his throat. It got blocked one night and he died on his lawn, presumably trying to get help. I'm welling up just writing this.
If you don't have your health it is very difficult to enjoy life's rich tapestry. Please look after yourself, you're only here once
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Never a truer word said!
Hope I didn't come across as too sniffy earlier and I'm sorry to hear of your experience.
The trouble with 'that' word is it brings a whole host of other complications. A person must decide for themselves whether or not it applies to them, not be told that it does, (or in fairness to you, might).
Alcohol is an addictive drug. It is no surprise therefore to find many people after years of use, addicted to alcohol. Labels like alcoholic aren't helpful in my opinion because they carry some element of moral judgement on a person, who is a normal person who just happens to be addicted to the most commonly used addictive drug there is.
My advice to the OP would be, yes certainly try and cut back if you can. However if you are consistently drinking more than a safe target you set for yourself just give the stuff up. When you take a drug out of your life you win every time.
I recognise the behaviours and mindset created by the job you describe, experienced similar.
Some remarkably honest, brave and moving posts here Gents. Fair play to you all.
The fact that I’ve just poured another whisky is an irony not lost on me.
Cheers, I'm in the same boat except my tipple is a gran reserva. Salud.
With a BMI of 26, you're pretty slim, and feeling the liver edge on deep palpation is not abnormal. Don't panic about your physical health. Wait for the enzymes, they'll tell the truth and indicate whether your level of alcohol intact is damaging your liver.
Whilst this type of private health check can be useful, more often it is performed by "doctors of a certain type". Her off hand comment on her finding is somewhat inappropriate. Screening scans performed for no reason are also worrying, as they often show up incidental findings that are irrelevant, but cause a lot of unnecessary worry, further tests and treatment.
In general it's best to see your GP every so often if you're health conscious, and have your blood pressure, sugar, cholesterol and prostate checked .
On the alcohol front, increased intake in middle age is linked with a multitude of other psychosocial factors. It's almost a sign the applecart tipping. If life in general is good, there's usually no time, place or desire for drinking too much.
The guys on here who have changed their own habits will have a lot more insight and advice for anyone who needs help to change.
Post not directed at anyone in particular. Putting your hand up is the first step.
This book is really worth a few hours of your time if you're thinking of giving up https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/..._Stop_Drinking
Im not saying its the holy grail, but although repetitive, it does get the point across.
Thanks for that. It puts myself more at ease with the medical stuff.
As for the psychosocial factors, that had crossed my mind. I think it may be related to the children becoming teenagers, and there diminishing dependence on me (which I struggle with), so I have a lot more free time. Also because my social life in my mid to late 40s is a lot quieter than it used to be.
But, generally life is good, and I like work (as much as you can at 49) and have a loving marriage and a family.
I think I need a time consuming hobby!
Last edited by noTAGlove; 13th January 2018 at 11:16.
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