Reply With QuoteYou cant, its impossible, the trick is to find a way to stop people wanting to use them.
Another sodding major incident today involving a knife today...
Seriously, what's the answer to getting these things off the streets...
You cant, its impossible, the trick is to find a way to stop people wanting to use them.
Cheers..
Jase
Is this the Glasgow incident? I could walk into Tesco and buy a bread knife, walk outside and stab a few people before Im overpowered. Wouldnt even need to buy the knife. Could just take it from the display and go on a stabbing frenzy. Or I could do the same with a legal penknife. Not sure what we can do with all these potentially lethal weapons that also serve useful purposes in our homes. We can take guns off the streets, not so sure about knives.Originally Posted by Martylaa
Yeah Glasgow, Im not sure what the answer is but hopefully something can change to avoid the amount that seems to be Realtek to knife crime around the UK.
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Or a hammer or an axe or a broken bottle ....many things can be used as a weapon. The inanimate object isn't really the culprit
At least the perpetrator is off our Streets permanently but these random attacks are impossible to police I imagine, sincere condolences to all concerned.
Or cars as they kill more people than any of the above each year.
Not exactly apples with apples though, is it? How often are cars used with criminal intent to kill someone?
Anyway, thankfully no-one has been killed other than the perp. Fingers crossed for those that have been injured, in particular the officer in serious but stable condition.
Shops selling fags kills about 220 a day in the UK, it just takes a few decades
As far as i remember stabbings here always took the kitchen knife route
Well you could make it illegal to carry a fixed blade knife, or locking knife, or folding knife with a cutting edge longer than 3 inches on the streets. But they already have.
Unfortunately you can't legislate against idiots/lunatics/terrorists.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
This wasn't a 'street' stabbing.
The G&D isn't the forum to explain further.
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Jim.
I blame these:
Blunt knives save lives.
R
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Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Agreed. Sad news. If it wasnt a knife it would have been a hammer, screwdriver, transit van etc.
Misplaced humour. People have been wounded.I blame these:
Blunt lives save lives.
R
Wrong sub forum IMHO.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Agreed as it will probably go down hill. OPs intentions were good.
Quite. Not Rs normal style imo.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I thought that too. Unusual. Perhaps hes human like all of us after all!
(And see I dont always argue with you, grumpy sod!)
;-)
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Context.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
That makes it all better Ralphy. Thanks for clarifying.
Edit: Ive just realised that sarcasm can be sometimes too subtle!
Last edited by Kirk280; 27th June 2020 at 09:05.
Err, killed is more accurate
It's the mindset of the perpetrator. Change that for the better and you've solved the problem.
Person killed is even more accurate.
I was referring to those that were stabbed, not the perpetrator that the Police shot.
They don't tend to put themselves forward to be changed/helped/locked away.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
How would you do this?
If only we could change people's mindsets on a few things
These incidents are getting worse with 13yr olds being charged with murder...a great start to life 🙁
Machete's are now increasingly used and fights more prolific. There was an incident recently on Formby beach with 3 men fighting with them.
It's time the courts were dishing out harsher sentences and the Police using 'stop and search' more.
It's only going to get worse.
Maybe if stop and search hadnt been applied disproportionately towards black and minority ethnic groups it would still have a place in modern policing? Weve had the party of law and order in power for quite some considerable time now so surely we should be seeing more severe sentences for knife crime and other violent acts? Or is so-called soft sentencing the fault of the socialists and Corbyn/Starmer?
Its all in hand https://news.sky.com/story/amp/we-ar...inals-11824598
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/151646...stamford-hill/
According to the Sun 18 stabbings in a space of a week!
I take a personal responsibility in staying safe, rather than look to the wider policing, legislation and social systems to solve it - because I understand that I can have almost zero influence on any of the systems, nor the root cause behind any myriad of reasons for violent attacks to take place.
I ensure I am as best placed as possible to deal with violent situations in all their guises - awareness, ability to respond, preparedness and practice of all of that regularly.
I also teach this to my children from an early age (and to other peoples children professionally).
I try my best to give them all both skills and drills to do something in the worst case, of any potential case, and give them even more ability to avoid it becoming the worst case.
It does nothing to fix the problem.
It is a wholly selfish approach in the prioritising of care and survival of my loved ones, and those that come to me professionally for the same.
Maybe if we could all kick a bit more ass, there might be a reduction in casualties when incidents occur (and they always will in some form, I believe).
All in all, it is sad, scary and prevalent.
Guard yourself against it best you can - even if that is simply be aware it exists and it may touch you.
Practice and learn something to increase your odds in a situation. That is all any individual can reasonably do - and should be the very least they do, if they are at all able and give any thought for themselves.
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Totally disagree with this.
Target resources.
If black youths are disproportionately stopped and searched it's because they disproportionately die as a result of stabbings.
I remember seeing a programme where they were in a black community and all the mothers were bemoaning the fact that the police had cut down on the stop and search stops of youths in the community as it then resulted in more knife crime.
Maybe ask the stabbing victims mothers and fathers if they agree with cutting back the stop and search for knives.
As long as people keep blaming knives there will be no end. Knives arent to blame for the violence were seeing.
Its a community problem driven by drug money and the gang culture.
The answer begins in the home, as Denzel Washington said It starts in the home. If the father is not in the home, the boy will find a father in the streets. I saw it in my generation and every generation before me, and every one since.
Calling it knife crime conveniently shifts the responsibility away from the communities where it is happening.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Nice "guns don't kill people" logic from OOK there.
Denzel has spoken. You don’t argue with the Equalizer.
Guns only kill people when used by other people. Knives only kill people when used by other people. Ban knives totally. Then they'll probably use screwdrivers. You have to stop people wanting to kill each other. I'm sure you have a solution.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Sadly it seems the CPS rarely enforce the law to its maximum ....
The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. Youll get a prison sentence if youre convicted of carrying a knife more than once.
Stop and search needs to be cranked up and punishment strictly enforced......but it S&S can be politically challenging...
But agree with OOK ....bad people would just shift to another form of easily accessible weapon
Banning or regulating the sale of anything like knives or drain cleaner just inconveniences the 99.999% of the public that need the item for genuine reasons....
Don't understand logic here. Those disproportionately stopped and searched should be the criminals not the victims.
Might be the same in this case but beside the point.
Of course he doesnt, he just likes to post silly quips on a watch forum.
This. The laws are there but its how they are enforced and the penalties handed down by the courts that count.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I blame the knife producers
Probably true!
I think he talks a lot of sense to be honest.
https://youtu.be/O0dCvQdt5XI
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Ceon Broughton springs to mind...caught twice with knives ..a lock knife and then a stanley knife and was given a suspended sentence....
I know from experience talking to police just how utterly frustrated they are when CPS / courts dont enforce harder sentences for such offences and the very same police see the person they arrest and charge back on the streets with a caution or suspended sentence or community service.....its incredibly demoralising..
Ceon was this gentleman
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews...ugs-legal-aid/
The same youths being stopped and searched are also likely to be the victims.
No point in stopping and searching an old granny in the street so that the statistics for searches is equal-waste of resources.
Many people now have grown up on games like GTA, Assassin's Creed, watched lots of music videos downloaded hundreds of ultra violent movies, it's no wonder Generation Z are desensitised to violence and think nothing of carrying a knife.
Most of my grandparents generation grew up fighting to the bitter death in ww1 or ww2. A daily struggle of surviving grenade attacks, mustard gas, foot rot, best friends dying, and on accessions staring their combatant in the face in mortal hand to hand combat. Doesnt really compare to to a bit of fortnite or CoD. Didnt see them coming home and stabbing each other.
The cause of teenage stabbings is multivariate but ultimately values are best instilled in children by parents, and ultimately an individual needs to be held responsible for their actions.
Agreed, the reasons are many, but too much exposure to violence in the virtual world is definitely a player, no pun intended.
The reason the war generations didn't come home stabbing each other is because they had experienced the horror for real, and not make believe on a video screen. It has long been known that too much time spent in an artificial environment, such as a computer game blurs the line between pretend and reality. I think this was first recognised in the aftermath of the Tenerife air disaster. It was decided by the board that one of the many factors leading to the crash was Captain Van Zanten's many hours spent in the flight simulator supervising trainee pilots influenced him to take risks in real life he would not have done without the hundreds of hours spent in an artificial world.
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