Reply With QuoteWhat a blow.Originally Posted by bobc
I like these threads - lures the counterfeit apologists out of the long grass and straight onto the 'never-deal-with' ignore list
What a blow.
This is not about you or your 'fake feelings' it is a warning to others.
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That does not surprise me. Ze list for you.
They’re only bloody watches! Sometimes I think people need to remember that.
Been on mine for ages.
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Lume pip is awful as is the date wheel, would rather spend £130 on something authentic, maybe a timex, citizen even a g-shock, anything but a fake that will be in the bin as soon as something goes wrong as no reputable watchmaker would touch it.
I understand and respect your point of view and you've expressed it quite reasonably and non-confrontationally, which is always welcome in these threads, and not overly common. From my own point of view - I don't think of watches as badges of status. Perhaps I'm fortunate in having had a nice 16750 from a relatively young age; perhaps it's for that reason that the perception of luxury watches as an achievement or a symbol of prestige is not one I'm particularly invested in. I just don't care whether the watch I might be wearing at any given time has a legitimate link to a well-known company, and I don't give a toss who sees me wearing a cheap Casio, some obscure Aliexpress brand, a knockoff Speedy or a real IWC.
Ultimately they're for my own enjoyment only, and I don't feel a need to justify owning or wearing any of them. I sense that some people think of them as expensive tokens to gain attention, and that would explain why they see a fake Rolex (for example) in the same light as a fake passport or credit card. Perhaps see the cash they've parted with for a new Submariner or whatever as a payment for some attention and respect, and that explains the indignation we see in these threads. To me any watch is just for personal pleasure, whether it's a £15 Casio or a Rolex GMT worth whatever it's worth these days (I'm unlikely ever to sell it, so I don't really care).
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Because it works both ways, I thank each of you sincerely.
In this (your) case, no.
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Glad to see who here proudly finance sex trafficking and other illegal activities.
Oh dear, I thought the fake was on the right. Shows how little I know. But the left one sure looked crisper to me.
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At the next vGTG we should compare Ze Lists mate!
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I think you are (deliberately?) missing the point and creating a straw man.
It’s not about you or your enjoyment.
It’s not even about you potentially selling them on (I personally don’t think you would, as you would be well aware of the risk of your buyer trying to pass them on as genuine).
By buying it, even if you destroyed them the following minute, you have financed the criminals that make them. For your enjoyment.
I know that a lot of our toys/clothes etc. may come from factories with dubious work regulations. But because they are legit the companies that sell them can be leaned on to address the issues.
With a fake that cannot happen.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Does that include those in attendance?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Wrt 'fake watch industry funding criminality' is this anecdotal/urban myth territory or is there any proof that this actually goes on?
Obviously as this is a watch forum we focus our distain on fakes - usually Rolex. But no-one seems to mind when a 'fake' Porsche CSR or a Cobra 'replica' turns up on SC, not that I've seen the latter on here.
Anything that is made to look like something it isn't or never was in the first place is fake, surely.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...olf-clubs.html
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Yes strange that cars are okay to many here.
Would have thought sex trafficking funds itself.
Nothing wrong with calling them fake: -
"not genuine; imitation or counterfeit"
I think genuine watch owners sub consciously get aggrieved that people wear good fakes that look pretty much identical and they paid maybe 5% of the original cost and loose their prestige image .
Copy watches have been made for decades and I doubt it will stop .
Probably true but few people here will admit they buy a Rolex for the prestige image.
I don't quite see the prestige these days - perhaps many years ago but with the current climate and scatter gun product placement, no.
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Agreed, it’s like paying full price for membership to an exclusive club only to find someone else got it at a huge discount, they don’t like it because it pisses on their fireworks......but they won’t admit it!
I have an issue with the word replica. If I built a Star Wars X wing in my back garden that’s a replica. It’s not real and you can’t get a real one. If I buy a watch or any other item with a brand name and a design that is a facsimile of the other item then that’s a fake.
This is another one of those threads that will forever appear on a watch forum ad Infinitum…….
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I'd say you had a model in your garden, not a replica.
Don't see that it really matters what these watches are called TBH.
I just think the word ‘replica’ is an attempt to legitimise something when it’s just fake goods. Fake watches are the thin end of the wedge and hardly worth worrying about in comparison to eg fake pharmaceuticals or car parts. Not sure if there’s ever been a case of someone dying because of their fake watch?! ‘The loose wobbly bezel on my fake deep sea says I’ve got another 20 minutes oxygen in the tank - I’ll go even deeper for longer then - gurgle - urgh….
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I don’t like fakes, I wouldn’t wear a fake and I wouldn’t buy a fake. And the honest reason why I don’t like them is that partially I respect intellectual property and mostly because I don’t like the idea of someone thinking some cheap scrote with a fake is wearing the same watch as me.
I don’t for one minute buy all the stories linking fake watches to the sex trade or international terrorism. Not saying that some people behind the sex trade might not also be into supplying fake watches, but the two aren’t dependent on each other, they are both equally profitable to the criminal. And I would also argue that people do more to finance terrorism every time they fill their car with petrol than they do buying fake watches, given where most of the oil comes from and where most of the financing for terrorism comes from. I also find the terrorism link funny given that most of us will own a car/watch/item of clothing from a company that has undeniable links to some of the greatest crimes against humanity that have ever been committed.
Typed on my iphone, which was probably made with an element of child labour.
They are not replicas, they are fakes.
Zero time for anyone who is into that kind of stuff.
Is your mate a service parts DJ?
Where on earth have you made that connection?.
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From facts.
The most identified 'sponsors of terrorism' are well down the list of oil producers - over to you.
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Well, that is a political decision.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Russia and Saudi Arabia come to mind, along with the gulf states that are burning Yemen into the ground.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I agree - but to glibly state 'anybody who fills their car up with fuel is sponsoring terrorism'?
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Well, one man's hero is the next guy's terrorist.
Pick your winner, not a lot of names that won't get nominations for supporting terror:
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Some will (of course) but it's a bit more analogue that production figures?
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My comment was more in relation to those that always state on these threads that buyers of fakes are funding terrorism rather than stating, probably the truth, that they don’t like fakes being produced of items that they have spent a lot of money on. Most of our oil doesn’t come from states that support terrorism but most of the world supply does. The fact that we’re not allowed to state the truth about state sponsored terrorism from some of the largest oil producing countries because we make so much money from them doesn’t change the fact that terrorists make more money from these countries than they ever could from the trade in fake watches, largely thanks to the oil that they produce.
Im not the best at spotting the diff with these fakes. But that is a bad one
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I dont understand how this theory makes sense, why wouldnt the likes of us genuine watch owners just sell our watches for top money, replace with fakes and bank the rest if we were that bothered about the cost difference?
I think its more the other way round..
It's a costume watch, obviously. You know, like costume jewellery.
People wearing fakes has never bothered me.
Have a friend who wears a fake Hulk and is a solid decent guy and in no way has some sort of need for acceptance by anyone-I think that no more applies to the guy wearing the fake as to the guy wearing the real thing.
Don't really think it's funding some sort of Spectre type crime organisation either
My concern would be someone trying to defraud others by selling it as legitimate.
YMMV
Fake watches for fake people. It was ever thus.
Monocell suprises me by outing himself but these threads are always useful for determining who's on the right side of the line.
David
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Replicas for replicants.
Fraudulent watches for frauds.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I dislike fakes because they cast doubt on my own character.
Comments are infrequent but usually question the legitimacy of my watch, so to extrapolate I guess casual onlookers often conclude I’m the type of guy who is willing to fake my appearance.
A friend in London has a number of Rolexes.
Twice he has someone try to remove them from his wrist.
Including in a fairly busy bar: a guy tried hard to take the Milguass off him. (Green crystal version).
He ordered a couple of super-clones to wear out as he is hacked off that he has spend good money on watches that he can't actually wear.
Personally I like the PP Aquanaut. Chances of me actually being able to buy one....about 0% due to limited supply.
Wouldn't mind trying a super-clone, see how it looks.
I have 30+ other watches. Real rolexes, Omega, Rado, Cuervos Y Sobrinos etc etc....
So its not like I would trying to be someone I'm not.
Who said anything about Spectre type crime organisation?
But do you really think that criminals who deal drugs, only deal drugs and criminals who sell guns, only sell guns?
Interesting story, bro.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
You are claiming funding not dealing.
Doubt many drug dealers will be bothering with watches, Lacoste polos or perfume anyway.
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