Reply With QuoteAnd IWC bracelets.....so comfortable.
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that looks great with the green dial
And IWC bracelets.....so comfortable.
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Still trying to find a bracelet for my XVI. The 3706 bracelet fits apparently, but as tricky, nay impossible, to find.Originally Posted by Nealywheelie
And IWC bracelets.....so comfortable.
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How's the IWC going for you my friend?
None of my other watches are getting a look-in after this. It really is my 'sweet-spot' for my little collection at the moment.
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Wearing this today. Some 1990s IWC vintage. Love the logo. 35mm rose gold 3531.
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Finally got around to giving the bronze a decent polish. Not expecting it stay shiney for too long though as my skin tends to cause tarnish quite quickly.
Andy.
Between 0 to +7spd is within tolerance for IWC.
Got to handle this last week, what an extraordinary piece of engineering!
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That watch really is a thing of exquisite beauty 🤩Finally got around to giving the bronze a decent polish. Not expecting it stay shiney for too long though as my skin tends to cause tarnish quite quickly.
Andy.
That reminds me I bought this print back over 20 years ago .... mirror writing as you can see ... I think it's quite cool (sorry for the crap pic)
When you flip it you see the writing is backwards .... Leonardo style ...
If I recall correctly, when the watch came out, it came with a new annual date wheel for post-millenium in a little phial (as shown), as the one fitted to the watch was only use for a year or two up till the end of 1999.
Nice idea.
Had a TZ'er bought one new, it would have been down to the 19th owner to get that fitted then.
It's been a while since we had some gratuitous IWC pics
Still loving my white dial XX, back on a bracelet today
It's been a while since we had some gratuitous IWC pics
Still loving my white dial XX, back on a bracelet today
Mark XX looks fabulous in white :)
On the white/silver dial theme this arrived yesterday ....
That's another level, love the blue handsMark XX looks fabulous in white :)
On the white/silver dial theme this arrived yesterday ....
I must not covet another man’s watch! But…Mark XX looks fabulous in white :)
On the white/silver dial theme this arrived yesterday ....
“ Ford... you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.” HHGTTG
Love this 1965 model; a dress watch that's not too dressy and I wear as a daily. Fabulous timekeeping too.
Just noticed the very fine downward curve of the chrono' seconds hand!
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I've noticed this on my XX but put it down to the slight dome of the crystal/refraction.Just noticed the very fine downward curve of the chrono' seconds hand!
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Not clear in this pic. from yesterday but I do like the shadows of the hands.
I always thought that was just crystal distortion.Just noticed the very fine downward curve of the chrono' seconds hand!
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Mark X11 on bracelet.
A delight on the wrist, the bracelet is a work of art. I still want to add a leather strap though.
Sanjay
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And here's my Aerotimer taken from roughly the same angle.I've noticed this on my XX but put it down to the slight dome of the crystal/refraction.
Not clear in this pic. from yesterday but I do like the shadows of the hands.
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Hi Sanjay, The Strap Tailor does an excellent black letter aviator strap that suits the watch well. I’d love to get a bracelet for mine!Mark X11 on bracelet.
A delight on the wrist, the bracelet is a work of art. I still want to add a leather strap though.
Sanjay
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Thanks!
The bracelet is a little tricky to find…and expensive - worthwhile though if you’re going to keep it.
All the best,
Sanjay
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Mark XII still in my opinion the best proportioned, most classic IWC Fliegeruhr dial (in this regard at least, preferable to the Mk XI), though much too small for me, in fact I couldn't even get along with a Mark XV. (Though back in the day 21cm bracelets were standard for both - my Mark XV bracelet was full-size).
What's interesting is just how close the Mark XX dial gets to the Mark XII - something I hadn't spotted till this thread. After quite a few years of 'nice but not quite' the Mark XX really nails it, IMO. (I write as a former Mark XVIII Petit Prince owner as well).
Now updated. My Double (Doppel) Chronograph.
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I’m really liking the titanium ingenieur in every way except the price
Anyone handled one yet ?
https://www.iwc.com/gb/en/watch-coll...omatic-40.html
I love this new Ingenieur so much. Better than last version and even better than the 3227. It looks like a modern version of the old Jumboo.
That price though… Just over the top.
silver in steel for me, but its too expensive, by about 40%!!
Finally got to try this today , and visited fully expecting to buy .
The titanium is wonderful and lightweight as you would expect and it is all very well finished .
The hands ,markers , dial are all very nice but the watch overall just didn’t seem special enough especially for the price tag - which in fairness was open to negotiation.
Quite underwhelming.
I was equally underwhelmed. The new Inge is laughably small and unimposing for a daily, non-dress watch. We don't live in the 80s or early 90s any longer and expect a watch to be bigger than it was in the old days. Recreating what was once laugably known as the 'jumbo' - 40mm, whoopie doo! - just doesn't cut it today. In modern terms, for modern wrists, this design only works at 42mm upwards. And that's before you even consider the bonkers pricing.
Size is relative, I was put off it as it wears slightly too large for me.
The average wrist is about seven and a half inches (about 19cm) meaning about half of the wrists out there are at least that size or bigger. The new Inge at 40mm, especially given it has a big bezel, wears very small for a wrist that size (ie of average size). I'm about eight and a quarter, which makes my baseline perference about 43-44mm, though I can go down to about 41mm on watches that are all dial such as a Portuguese.
I get it that people with small wrists are happy with the current small watch fad (some quite militantly so) especially after years of watches the size of dinner plates, some of which are too big even for a well above average wrist and can look a bit silly. But I can't see it lasting. We were definitely better off when companies made full-size and mid-size. Some of the current stuff is neither fish nor fowl - just a bit meh. We have to end up somwhere a bit bigger, with small versions for those that need them.
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Would you mind citing your reference for seven and a half inches being the average wrist size?
My impression is that that would be a significant over-estimate.
My wrist is 6.5 “ The watch wears small
The Slender Watch did an interesting study which it seem I (only very slightly) misremembered that put it at 7.25 in on a statistically speaking substantial population of WUS users, pretty representative of the watch enthusiast population.
https://theslenderwrist.com/average-...ize-for-a-man/
It makes sense that the average wrist size is creeping up as people in general get bigger. My family is pretty typical: grandad born 1901, 5ft; dad born 1937, 5ft 6; me, born 1961 5 ft 10; my lad born 1998, 6 ft 2. My grandad’s gold Dennison cased 32mm Smiths is about the size of the Nomos my daughter wears daily. My dad’s 35mm Omega I’d never part with but too small for me, sits in the drawer. Lad was wearing by 42mm Seiko divers at 15 though has turned out pretty uninterested in watches sadly.
Is that forum US dominated?
Shouldn't make much, if any, difference, I would have thought.
I don't know; the cheeseburger consumption is a lot lower here.
I’d say it would make a huge difference. World leaders in obesity.
Although the UK is doing a decent job of catching them up.
In Europe and Asia I would expect lower BMIs.
Edited. Here is some data.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ody_mass_index
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Somehow I doubt whether the lardy sort that skews the stats spends much time on WUS.
Obesity in America correlates heavily around class and income level (as it does here too, though not quite to the same extent), and I doubt very much whether the sorts of Americans who could afford a decent watch live on junk food and sugary drinks. Sounds like you have a bit of an issue though?
I don’t have any issue I’ve just observed the data. If you look at the size of the clothes that get flogged on SC you will see much more XXL than M. Make of that what you will…
I thought your issue was that data gathered from the US was somehow not relevant here? Now you are saying it’s TZ that’s full of lardy types? That’s not really been my experience.
Hardly an issue… just pointing out USA data is not representative of the UK population… and providing data that supports that view. Plus a thin attempt at humour.
It proves nothing of the sort - raw numbers without the all important demographic component. Before my recent retirement I spent a lot of time travelling to meetings in the US and Canada (as well as southern and Eastern Europe). Professional people in affluent midlife, of the same sort that frequent both here and WUS and make up the bulk of the watch buying demographic, tend to be far more trim and healthy in than the stereotypical tracksuit-and-trainered US movie-goer with his bucket of buttered popcorn. The Americans I worked with looked just like the Brits and French and the Spaniards, Czechs and Poles I worked with.
In any case - sneering at lower class Americans aside - there are many reasons why wrists are getting bigger. Nutrition is better (at least in the professional demographic), people are generationally taller and larger (that’s indisputable) and there are ever more and varied kinds of sporting activity - my own forearms got bigger from a fairly full on martial arts hobby in my 20s (back in the 80s) accompanied by a lot of weight training (much more common now). They’ve never shrunk. But I’m not obese by any definition. A lot of keen cyclists build big forearms.
My argument was that the small watch fad won’t last because people are in general bigger than they used to be in the days when watches were overwhelmingly small. This is a global phenomenon. My wife is Taiwanese. I go there and see the younger generation pretty much as tall on average as they are here, Look at South and East Asian students on our own university campuses (I’m currently doing a post-retirement PhD so I spend a lot of time there) you see the same thing. Old stereotypes no longer apply. These students make up the next group of working professionals.
And you do see the effects here on TZ-UK. The new Tudor BB58 range is a case in point. People of normal stature buy them because they look gorgeous (and on some thinner wristed people they look grewt) but a sizeable number flog them on almost right away because they are too small on the average wrist In fact some of the wrist shots are hilarious.
This is not to argue that 48cm watches will be routine again - things did get over the top for a bit (though genuinely large statement pieces still have a place as they always have had). But there has been an over-reaction and a rash of cynically fashionable small watches designed on a screen. No doubt some of these sold well initially due to pent-up demand from people with small wrists who I would totally agree hadn’t been served terribly well for a decade or more. (Eddie has done pretty well on the back of this with his recent range of small watches).
But I don’t think it will last. The Inge that replaces the recent one won’t be quite so tiny looking - or at least it wont be the only option. Same applies to the cute but misconceived new Zenith Pilot range. In fact these are such obvious mistakes that I suspect the pendulum is probably swinging back already in the design suites of Switzerland.
I think you’re off the mark.
Firstly, watch buyers aren’t necessarily affluent, highly educated types (though I agree that obesity is more common among the poorest in Western society). Plenty of chubby wrists on Reddit / YouTube / this forum.
Secondly, there was another survey from Mark Cho, from the Armoury, in New York which found the average wrist was just under 7 inches, from what I recall.
Thirdly, I see no evidence, or reason why watches are getting larger again. Particularly when watches like the BB58 are such a massive commercial success. I also see no reason why people moving Tudors on is a sign that they’re too small.
Just my thoughts
It seems as if the stats vary from source to source. I checked the BSI briefly but could not find the data for the UK
However https://straphabit.com/en-gb/blogs/s...abit-customers
This article says the majority of responders have 6.5-7 inch wrists with 7-7.5 coming next.
The average American is slightly larger then the average Brit which would back up there being a difference in size in their wrists as an average.
https://sylvi.in/blogs/blog/what-is-...age-wrist-size
This article narrows the average size from 6.5-7.2 inches.
No data set collected on the internet is ever going to be 100% accurate, let’s face it every bloke you have ever met who is roughly 5.10 / 5.11 always rounds up to 6 foot. Over estimation / compensation is common.
https://www.factoryweights.co.uk/blo...y-measurements
Each of the data sets above show 7.5 and above to be at the upper end of size.
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You are going to have to spend a fair bit time building your wrist up to carry that off …
I had a 48mm Zenith Type 20 GMT for a bit, I think I got away with it, though I ended up replacing it with the 45mm bronze non-GMT version.
Like the IWC Big Pilot, this watch was a statement piece for Zenith and quite deliberately oversized. I actually thought it looked great, realistically it wasn't a daily wearer but great fun for an occasion.
48*cm*…I had a 48mm Zenith Type 20 GMT for a bit, I think I got away with it, though I ended up replacing it with the 45mm bronze non-GMT version.
Like the IWC Big Pilot, this watch was a statement piece for Zenith and quite deliberately oversized. I actually thought it looked great, realistically it wasn't a daily wearer but great fun for an occasion.
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