So AIUI the dial would be the Everest Expedition dial, but 2mm smaller?
It's just not going to be big enough for most people is it - even those of us who like the 36mm case size *for non sports bezel* watches!
DISCLOSURE: I have no interest in GMT watches, so what I think is irrelevant anyway.
Every watch a story.
Yes it does sit higher in the case, there's hardly any rehaut and the crystal is a higher dome for the hand clearance.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
That's gorgeous...
That 36mm GMT looks very interesting ... any chance of a few more pics (pretty please) ? Face on, side profile, etc etc
I won't buy it if it doesn't have a rotating bezel. I've been through GMT watches without rotating bezels (IWC UTC, 2 Explorer IIs) and they are super boring as they are pretty much useless unless you're actually travelling. When not travelling, I would rather just wear a simple 3 hander. On the other hand, a GMT with a rotating bezel is actually useful when not travelling because you can turn that bezel and see the time in different timezones on the fly. In other words, the rotating bezel makes a GMT watch fun. What I didn't like about the Explorer II is that I couldn't really play around with the function in any meaningful way most of the time - it's not like I am going to jump the hours for no reason.
That Smiths GMT with the rotating bezel is just so delicious looking, I would wear it a lot, whether travelling or not travelling. It's the perfect "one watch" IMO.
Last edited by grizzlymambo; 22nd November 2022 at 09:03.
Just noticed the counterbalance on the seconds hand - a sign of things to come for future Everest’s?
I like it quite a bit. At the very least, a black dial Expedition would be a great option.
It's a good looking watch.
But at 36mm it would imvho be a tad too small. Fiddly dial text and GMT hand need 38mm, in my opinion.
To me the whole thing looks a little too tall for its diameter.
Not an immense fan of the smaller GMT hand and inner numeric ring, I like the main central portion of the dial to remain blank (one reason I cannot stand the 13-24 scale on many US military watches, and the minute numerals on the Sinn EZM3)
Personally, I think the drawing is a huge improvement over this proto.
The more I look at this the better it gets... It is unique, elegant, tool like... The best thing is it does not simply rehash the tired typical design of bezel etc. As a product designer and in my opinion this design has milage and potential. A unique design. perfect size and form. A potential classic.
Last edited by joff; 24th November 2022 at 10:38. Reason: spelling
Yes. I think this is a function of this being the erroneous 36mm prototype (in the wrong case entirely) when it was meant to be 38mm.
I think it would look better proportioned in 38mm.
If I am following correctly, it was meant to be this at 38mm (from #59):
Last edited by markrlondon; 24th November 2022 at 15:06.
Wow,
What a happy accident. Looks very good to me. I like the higher dial position. I guess it may be 13mm thick? I don’t suppose this one will hit the production line. It’s a great variant.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Any chance some more pics please Eddie. :)
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
One thing, if the concern is the dial being too small: surely 36mm without a rotating bezel will have a larger dial than 38mm with one?
I am not a fan of gmt watches- largely because I have reached a stage in life where anything which detracts from ‘no glasses’ visibility is an issue. That having been said, the 36mm does have an amazing serious tool watch vibe which is enhanced by the dial sitting so high with virtually no rehaut.if it can be done a short production run at 36mm would definitely sell
Sent from my iPhone using TZ-UK mobile app
To be honest, I'm struggling with the idea that after several months in the design development stage, a misunderstanding by the manufacturer in producing the prototype has led to the serious consideration of adopting a model which looks substantially different to the intended design, and with an altered functionality.
I'll bet the intended design would sell a lot better than this accidental version. It certainly looks more attractive to my eyes!
No he didn’t.
That said, I would have thought that if enough people like it (as they seem to do), a short run of this model could be made alongside the original model.
My favourite is the cream dial with the bezel and one which is definitely consider buying if I could get my order in quick enough.
In principle, one might have thought so. BUT.... short runs for specialist interest are potentially dangerous. It's really only a very few people who like it (the usual 36mm suspects one might call them! ) and will that translate to enough sales to pay for the smallest run possible? Personally I would have my doubts.
Also, what is the smallest run possible? I don't know what minimum run Eddie's OEM is willing to cost effectively manufacture but I know that, at one time, Steinhart's OEM (just as an example) could only cost effectively do a minimum run of about 111-150. Taking that as a hypothetical number, would 111-150 of this '36mm GMT Everest' sell? Well, there were nothing like 111-150 super-supporters of the accidental 36mm design in this thread. How many actual sales would the super-supporters in this thread generate? Maybe 10-15 at most.
As I said, I think the 36mm does look nice (albeit imvho too tall-looking for the diameter) but the 38mm, bezel, PRS-58 Traveller (as per #59) is almost certainly a vastly more commercially realistic item to manufacture I would have thought.
Anyway, Eddie knows what he's going to do. :-) The above is just how I see it.
I hadn't actually asked for a prototype, he made the 36mm version so that I could familiarise myself with the movement. He used the Everest case because he had some on hand and didn't require tooling up for a new case. He didn't tell me he weas doing it and I was surprised to receive it.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Spotted these Ikepod GMTs fitted with the Miyota 9075 at the Argyll Arcades in Glasgow. Pretty neat, but the hand finishing was a bit rough (maybe intentionally?) for a Ł2k watch...
Sent from my Pixel 5a using Tapatalk
I've always had a soft-spot for IKEPODs but you'd have to be soft in the head to drop Ł2k on one of those. Yikes.
Hello, I never comment, but this news is fantastic.
My dream is a 36mm Everest Expedition GMT with everything as is, only a gmt hand more (and maybe with a narrow rehaut with the 24 hour markings á la Monta Atlas). I mean 36mm case, plain bezel, 4th hand, done.
Thank you for your attention
Love the general design
Love the bezel style and lume.
Love the stepped dial.
Hands could be a bit bolder for more lume area.
Very nice, but for me there would have to be a few changes to be perfect ...
1. 42mm (preferably Titanium)
2. Possibility to set Bezel 12 at the Top (e.g. Caret at 12 -or- 12<->00 opposite sides ) - e.g. set as GMT Sun Hand for Northern Climes where the Sun appears to move clockwise.
3. Prefer a Blue GMT hand (C3 Arrow Head as normal)
4. Prefer a 2 tone Light/Dark (Blue/Black) Bezel Insert but not essential
5. Chapter ring - 12 at Top - Numerals from the centre so could be assembled reversed to suit others tastes. If Possible with White @Top for Day, Black Lower for Night
Favourite design features
1. Batons (C3) Larger/Longer on Quarters - Not Numerals or Blobs - Possibly 12 numeral at top OK.
2. Bi Directional Bezel (48 Good - 96 Best)
_________________________
Edit: Off Topic Addendum
OCD Gripe time
Movement Impossibilities ... Probably just me (?)
Movement designed for all time zones (or at least most)
Over 1.7 BILLION people live in non Full-Hour step time zones + Travellers to/from these non-std time zones.
- Non Std. 1/2 hour time zones should be able to set Local time and GMT with Chapter Ring correct (if present) or the GMT Bezel set to a standard hour position.
This would simply require a 1/2 Hour jumping GMT hand for the 1.7 Billion people in 1/2 hour timezones.
A 1/4 hour jumping GMT hand for Nepal+ (30 Million) though this may not really be practical.
Ah well - Just an idea or 2 ....
INFO
Non "Std" Timezones
1/2 Hour Offset
Afghanistan 88,000,000
AUS - Northern T. 250,000
AUS - South A. 1,800,000
Canada - St. Johns 114,000
India 1,408,000,000
Iran 88,000,000
Myanmar 54,000,000
Sri Lanka 22,000,000
Venezuela 28,000,000
1/2 Hour Offset Total 1,690,164,000
1/4 Hour Offset
Nepal + 30,000,000
Total Non Hour Timezones 1,720,164,000
Last edited by judge; 10th January 2023 at 08:13.
OK - Impossible as I said.
Need to be able to jump both - GMT by 1/2 or 1/4 and Hour by singles in order to do non standard zones properly, but I don't expect any movement in this form anytime soon (ever) - Just noting how billions are ignored!
The thing about jumping hour hands is that the minutes and seconds can remain where they are.
If you want half or even quarter hour increments, by definition they have to move (or the minutes do, at least).
All watches have this ability, in time setting mode. Creating half or quarter detentes in what would otherwise be a smooth setting scale is pointless.
Imagine you have let your watch stop, and it is 2 hrs 32 minutes off correct, how frustrating would it be to have a detente that forces the correction to 2 1/2 hrs.
I do not think billions are being ignored, i think practicality has rightly limited the mechanism to one that makes sense.
Minutes don't remain where they are for say India ! etc.
The GMT hand is coupled to the main hands so while you can change your traveller time zone hour using the quickset feature, if you are in an odd timezone you also have to adjust the minutes by 30 or 15/45 and this throws the GMT hand off by this amount meaning that a GMT chapter ring shows the wrong time and a GMT Bezel has to be offset by 30 minutes or 15/45 minutes. 48 step Bezels will show 30 minute offset but a 96 step bezel is needed to show 15/45 offset. As said a chapter ring marked for true GMT can never be adjusted.
Apparently - 18 million tourists went to India in 2019
OT - Not a watch
Great for travellers - Sunclock App Android
My screen with Nepal and Home clocks - Easy to change to any Timezone and Lat/Long/City
Just to clarify - Nothing in these posts is meant to suggest I don't think the new Smiths T-GMT isn't great and the movement is a breath of fresh air.
I love the black version especially, though the cream one is lovely too, but they're just a bit too small for me.
Back on topic.
billions should be ignored. I sympathize for the people, but they should petition their governments to make common-sense decisions.
Take Singapore for example, it is NOT in the +8 timezone geographically, but they chose to standardize to +8 in order to synchronize with Hong Kong and China. This is a sensible decision for a global city.
If countries want to have stupid 1/4 or even 1/2 hour TZs, then they should suffer the very minor horological inconvenience of it (minor because there are practical workarounds, like Casios). There's NO reason for any country or city to have a 1/4 or 1/2 hour timezone given the success story of Singapore (one of the richest countries in the world) who have shown you can shift an entire TZ because it's sensible.