It's still a BMW
What you all think ..? I reckon it’s looks great
https://postimg.cc/gallery/LmnqJ0r
It's still a BMW
That interior looks vile to me.
R
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Looks epic, had the E46 version long ago and still the best car I've ever owned.
No pictures of the front but at least it won't be as ugly as a Tesla
Here you go
https://postimg.cc/gallery/1SYvZqx
It will no doubt be brilliant but..
Prices starting at £ 80’000 so once optioned reasonably thats 90k for a 3 series estate which seems quite toppy .
I'm not a fan of the increasingly massive kidney grills, look a bit silly.
Joe Achilles has posted a YouTube video on it
https://youtu.be/7TNDo5rzHSM
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Could they have made it more ugly? Looks way worse than my 5-Touring. But, as mentioned, still better looking than a sterile Tesla.
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My best mate has ordered one, the order had to be placed last Friday (with no prices yet) to secure the first possible delivery. Looking forward to having a drive with it!-)
Objectively this will be a brilliant albeit slightly bonkers and very expensive all-rounder.
Looks are of course divisive but I think people have got used to the new design language of the M3 & M4 and at least its interesting.
I don't think they expect that many buyers will go for the red/black interior but its click bait for the release photos......plenty more colours are available. But those seats are bloody awesome.
I'm surprised by comments about losing value as current used prices for standard M3's seem to be holding up but then maybe that's a bit false in the current economic climate.
But when it might cost £65K for a decent RS3 these days then £80k for a more powerful larger car doesn't seem mispriced.
On balance though I'd probably still just have a M340i Touring which I can probably drive harder for longer before losing my license!
It’s great but pricey, I would rather have a 340 and a jet ski
Will be a capable machine but ridiculously priced and when normal production returns will drop like a stone.
A car for someone retired who likes fast cars and has no other calls on his cash.
I bought the F80 M3 at £52K in 2016 -ludicrously priced now
As mentioned RS3 now 60-65K but it will hold value better.
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Last edited by Padders; 22nd June 2022 at 11:05.
Might have been the case 3-4 years ago for the BMW brand but not in today's market Adrian............and the market we have now is unlikely to materially change change for a minimum of 18-24 months from where I am sitting. (I run 2 business's in the sector, at the sharp end)
I love a tourer and am loosely in the market for one but well out my price league and think its a stunner and will sell well
I like it a lot, but am an unashamed M fan. Not at RRP though.
I can see myself looking at a 3 or 4 year old car in time.
I reckon if you get one of the first to arrive at bmw centre you could enjoy it for 6 to 12 months and maybe not lose a penny on it
As a current G8x owner (2021 M4 Comp) I had thought about chopping mine in next year for one as they become available but I much prefer my dash, not a fan of HVAC controls being in the touchscreen and it looks cobbled on and not well integrated
Great looking thing though especially darker colours
That front end is hideous.
Cheers,
Neil.
What lead time was he given? Was talking the other week to Vertu about an M4 and they said 16 to 18 months unless I took the show car in Oct that had had about 15,000 sweaty bodies clambered over it at the shows.
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But this is driven by the market itself and not the fact an artificially high RRP for a BMW is weathering depreciation in the way Porsches do.
Only need to look at the discounts that were available to see BMW eroding their own equity. I’m sure once supply and demand return to normal then the depreciation will return to them once more as they chase the volume game.
As a current G21 owner, I’m looking forward to seeing it at Goodwood on Friday.
You'd only lose 50% in 18 months if you were stupid enough to pay list price, 15-20% discount was always easily achievable
Obviously not any more though, but on the upside residuals are much better now so swings and roundabouts, BMW no different to Audi or Mercedes with regard to depreciation etc
I have only referred to the market and not the RRP, "artificially high" or not, here. Plus the RRP is, essentially, a marketing derived figure given that the vast majority buyers will fund their purchase
And knowing the industry as we do, "normal" supply vs. demand is still quite some way as I have mentioned. Plus if you actually look at the recent trading statements of companies like MB/BMW and VW Group they have all stated that part of the lessons of the last few years is stop chasing volume at minimal profit and to now aim for profit first, market share second.
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I thinks its great!
My M5 Touring was the ultimate sheep-in-wolves clothing & was such a great car - this looks a little less subtle but great fun!
The front end work in person I have no issue with it at all despite joining the chorus of hate when the first pics appeared.
I wonder what the wait time is on a Touring, 2023 I assume?
Really loving that interior, great choice. Put my deposit for a build slot on the i X1 today it’s going to be a long wait it’s not launched till Nov
Last edited by hilly10; 23rd June 2022 at 19:07.
Jusr seen this (and a few other amazing new cars) at the Goodwood Festival of Speed today. The weather wasn't so great this morning, so they weren't really pushing this up the hill, but on this afternoon's run it looked very impressive
However, the new McLaren Artura looked and sounded Stunning. One to look out for if you are a fan
I had a look today, the front end has grown on me (unlike the Grenadier) and with its broad arches it has real presence. However for a 60 something with duff hip, the seats are no good for me. Much to the annoyance of a young German who’d decided he owned the car and wanted to take pictures with the doors closed as I tried to get out, his fits of anger (closing the door on me) made it more amusing.
The Alpina on the Sytner stand was subdued and more appealing, but I’m probably not the target audience.
I've had 2 x M3 (E36 Evo and one of the last E92s). I've had 3 x Alpina (E46 B3 3.3, E39 B10 3.3 and E90 D3). There is I think much less difference between Alpina and M these days but hanker after another Alpina. Probably adds northing to the debate!!
You may not, but I would disagree that the front works in person. I still looks ridiculous to my eyes and many others.
I like the idea (if not the price) of an M3 estate, but wouldn't buy one that looks like that at any likely price.
M
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