There is no objective answer.
My subjective answer is that I bought myself a Tudor Submariner because:
I like the style and design
I am happy with the quality of the engineering
I prefer the brand image of Tudor to that of Rolex.
That probably says more about me than the watch - but that's subjective answering for you!
How awful to suffer the indignity of being unable to afford watches costing nearly £10,000 and having to settle for second rate. What an insufferable snob you are. And you seem completely oblivious, which makes it even worse! - there are many on this forum who enjoy watches for what they are, not their monetary value or investment potential. And that imho is why you don’t understand the world of homages, or how they enrich the hobby. If the only indignity I have to suffer in life is to wear an homage watch, I think I’ll have got off rather lightly!
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He may seem completely oblivious, but he knows exactly what he is doing Rob, don't feed him.
People like him measure everything on the price only, and everyone on what they have spent. What he is obviously oblivious of is that when he sees someone wearing a 15 quid Casio, or shock horror, an undignified homage, that person may have the spare cash to buy a couple of Comex's or whatever, but have different values and needs, and don't need to display their wealth ostentatiously, whether on their wrist or boasting to strangers on the internet.
Years ago I bought an Invicta Stainless Submariner bi metal copy Black dial. Has a logo like Brietling and a look of a Rolex. Many years after. I bought a Rolex biMetal Sub, blue dial. Owned that for 10 years and sold it for £3600, still got the invicta.
Interesting that Seiko are supplying Steeldive with their NH35 movements.
So are Seiko losing out?
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I'd say no, they are playing a clever game. Some people wouldn't pay the price of a Seiko, so Seiko still get to indirectly sell a movement to them instead of no sale at all. And many people buy a Steeldive to try before splashing big on a Tuna or such, so Seiko often then get to sell a watch to them that they wouldn't have risked buying otherwise.
Plus it's cheaper to just keep the movement production lines running flat out than just making the movements for themselves.
Well, I have a Pelagos, homage to the Snowflake sub
I have a Siduna chrono, homage to the Lemania Viggen
I have the Hanhart Revolution LE, homage to the original 417 ES
Sinn EZM1, homage to the EPSA-418-cased chronos of the late 1960s
Armida A1, bronze cased homage to the Squale 50 atmos
etc etc etc
There is very little that cannot be considered derivative in some manner
If the only obvious difference is the name on the dial its a fake, I don't understand this trend to try and make fakes acceptable by calling them homages.
Exactly
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Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?
I bought my First Rolex as a result of a Homage. Sold that, bought a sea dweller second hand (when this forum regarded them) oh how the mighty fell. Then bought a Milgauss second hand.
I’m just a poor boy, sing along....
I’ve no where withal to purchase RRP luxury brands. Certainly will never be able to buy PP or the likes new or second hand.
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None I don't like them I spent years saving for a rolex sub instead of buying something that looks identical apart from the name on the face, if I can't afford the real thing I go without until I can afford it
Can't comment as Ive never knowingly bought a fake
I would rather have a cheapy seiko than a homage though
For me a fake is where a watch is identical to the one it’s copying. So dial will say Rolex, everything made to look like and say Rolex even the movement. To the untrained they have a Rolex.
A homage is a look a like but no intention to con you into thinking Rolex.
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A fake doesn't have to be a copy of anything. Rolex doesn't have to make such a model but putting Rolex on the dial of any other watch still makes it a fake.
Most homages are just copies with a different name on the dial. To my mind a homage should be a watch with a nod to or inspired by something else.
So what category does this fall under?
Seiko Manta ray dial, Seiko MM hands. Royal Oak styled case.
I quite like it.
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Hahahaha
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One more since the nice UPS man called this morning . . .
F.T.F.A.
I don't own any at the moment but will be buying another Steeldive 1996 (SKX007 homage, copy, whatever) as I find it a better watch than the one it's based on.
One more than I had yesterday. Thanks to this forum.
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Eddies B-Uhr for me. Absolutely love it!
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“Don’t look back, you’re not heading that way.”
Nice!
I personally don't think watches heavily based on militry designs are really in the homage/fake territory as what they're mimicking isn't a design made by a brand, but a design or at least elements of it given to these brands by the MOD, which is not meant to be profitable, the brands only being producers in this situation.
Don't doubt it may be superior in some aspects like the movement and the price relative to the specs but will the skx have a trump card in that it has certified (iso) water resistance . Not that many are taking either scuba diving but the steeldive you don't get that. I suppose it's a balance of what bases your happy having a watch cover. If the steeldive can do 100m no issues then that's fair enough.
I will admit I like the blacker/glossier dial on the 1996 SD.
I wonder why they (Steeldive) didn't do a pepsi 009 version yet ?
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Yeah, I suppose it depends on whats important to you in the watch. I prefer the NH35 movement and sapphire crystal of the Steeldive compared to the SKX007, oh and also the price😁 Did go snorkeling in the Steeldive with no problems and I even went in the shower with it once......
Thought the SKX was no longer in production? Ceased 2020. Steeldive has a different movement too I believe.
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Are Steeldive's decent? I'll be honest, I hadn't heard of them until this thread and they seem to cheap to be anything other than rubbish. Tell me I'm wrong as they have 1 or 2 I quite fancy!
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