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Anyone experienced the RG version?
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Yup and Platinum too. IMHO Platinum is the purest form. Tried it on at Seiko Boutique along with a few members here. It is stunningly stunningly stunning. Screams quality and refinement. The dial really comes to life in the metal - the porcelain gives off an organic light hue that is hard to describe. One day.....
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What he said,awesome watch. The fact the dial markers and name are hand painted is awesome
Movement finish is about the best there is too
Can someone give me some more info on Credor - I realise they are a branch of Seiko? But what is so special about them?
Thanks
Wow. I hadn't heard of these, but just read the link and they are both stunning watches. I think I prefer the i over the ii and the platinum to the rose gold pictured here. Porcelain dials certainly do work as you get a 3D effect from anything painted on top of it.
Must ask the wife if she was planning on spending £40k+ on my Xmas pressie 😂
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There are a few macro shots if you go a page or two in.
I handled the platinum one in the London Seiko Boutique a few years ago. Incredible. I have always held out hope they would I'd a steel version, but I doubt it would be a tenth of the price!
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I tried one on at an event last year. Beautiful. I'll never own one but it's my 'euromillions watch' if I ever win!
It is a real stealth wealth watch. Most people looking at it wouldn't realise what it was, me included until a few days ago. Would have to be a safer Watch to wear than a bolder statement that shouts look what I'm wearing...
After reading about the guy who had his AP stolen at 4am after a night out in Birmingham I'm sure this wouldn't have happened with a Credor for both the reasons that no one would know what it was and a Credor owner wouldn't be rolling out of a Birmingham nightclub at 4am
Aside from preoccupations with wealth or stealth, something that reveals its quality slowly and subtly is good if you wish to spend years being impressed by it, and not so good if you want others to be instantaneously impressed.
I know we are supposed to swoon over stuff like this, but that looks super-boring. At that price point I'd be looking at FPJ, Moser, Voutilainen, et al.
A very good read.
I had heard of marque but never read much about them.
Initially, I thought who would pay that much money........
But the article has made me reconsider that thought. And the fact that the watchmakers went to see how Philippe Dufour made assembled his magnificent timepieces, speaks volumes.
For me Mr Dufour is the pinnacle of what watch making is all about. It would be end game for me, if I was ever, (which will be never) to own one of his beautiful pieces!
Any Seiko that makes its way out of the Seiko Micro Artist Studio is punching above its weight horologically speaking.
For all those saying this is a bit boring, I wonder what your take is on a Dufour, if it didn’t have his name on it?
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^^^compared to that Dufour's, I agree. However I have seen some Dufour's and been underwhelmed. I personally think the excellent finished movement and dial is worth the 40k price tag. There is a certain flair to the watch. The next step up in the micro artist realm is this bad boy below. Link to more here - https://watchesbysjx.com/2019/03/gra...sary-9r02.html
I guess that’s what you call a Forty Grand Seiko. To be honest I prefer the back, as lovely as porcelain dials are.
There are better looking Credors for sure than the plain Jane in this thread- which is just a piece of enamel with rather lovely blue hands stuck on it. The back is nice but not 40,000k nice. Doubt seeing it in person would blow me away.
There is some kind of reverse snobbery at play in this thread.
Anyway, it’s a personal choice.
If we all liked the same things and all that.
Some people like frilly lines in the centre of some dull numerals, some people like unblemished simplicity; some people like production line watches with interesting provenance, some people like handmade objects; some people think that there's a direct correlation between cost and quality, some people understand that different things are priced on different tariffs.
Personally, I would prefer the Credor if it said Seiko on the dial, but I understand that not everyone is as smitten with that word and that logo as me.
And some labor under the impression that orgasmic delight at mention of Credor is somehow a sign of good taste and ability to appreciate finer things.
FWIW, I prefer your enamel watch visually to this. I know they are totally different objects but your old enamel watch has loads more personality.
To me this just crystallises my problem with Seiko. They sell watches costing a few £100's, which are ok, then they sell a few watches that cost a few £1ks (called a Grand Seiko), which are a bit better than OK, and then they sell a few more watches that cost a £10ks (called a Seiko Credor), which are a bit better again. What makes it worse is the mix of Quartz movements Vs their mechanical ones. All very confusing.
Personally I would not shell out £2k on any "new" Seiko irrespective of how good it was or the attention of detail which had gone into making it, simply because at the day it's still just a Seiko.
As for spending £40k on a watch without a complication, crazy. Personally I would go Patek or Lang (or both).
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
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(To go off topic for a bit) This is a great watch in the metal (a friend is lucky enough to own one) and has bags of personality. The finishing is also excellent.
BUT I feel it doesn't encompass what Akrivia is really about. The AK-06 is IMO a better representation of the brains behind the brand:
from - https://www.ablogtowatch.com/akrivia-ak-06-watch/
Once you’ve placed a brand in a particular category, for some reason it’s easier to reject evidence to the contrary than to re-wire your brain to accept it, and change the way you see the brand. That’s why they removed the standard Seiko logo from the dial of Grand Seikos in the end. Preconceptions can be hard to budge. I sympathise, as it’s taken me a long time to appreciate the brand and rethink what the logo means, but their historical models finally convinced me that there was much more to Seiko than what I saw as a child. I’ll admit though, that I do find it easier now that GS have a different logo, and it might be easier to appreciate Credor if there were no connection at all, just its own independent mythology without the baggage. The story is to some extent part of the product, which is good for GS, as they have a good story as well as making objectively high quality watches.
As for not spending >£2k just because they also make cheaper watches though, I’m glad I’m not missing out in that way. At some point you have to look at the actual product and change your own preconceptions to fit the reality, not the other way round.
Well put.
To give this context, I am looking to procure my endgame piece. A full set 16520 white dial Zenith and a blue dial WG 126719 will both go to fund the purchase, so c. £55-60k plus change. I have no interest whatsoever in ALS - they leave me cold (sterile Germanic style); PP - been there, done that; complications - I have no need of a date let alone anything else more involved. The Credor (platinum or RG tbd) or perhaps a SBGZ003 appeal (sadly the 001 is sold out). Residuals are not an issue. This is an emotional purchase.
For everyone complaining about the price of this (beautifully-executed) wristwatch, it's important to keep in mind at all times that luxury goods are all subject to the same rule: on a graph comparing price vs quality, quality and performance increase on a shallow, linear slope, while cost increases logarithmically or exponentially. T'were ever thus.
Worth also bearing in mind that this product is not aimed at most of us, it's aimed at the kind of wealth base that finds £40,000 a trivial sum, spent in a moment with little consideration.
I do love the painstaking execution, but am amused that even at this level of spend, safe, conformist design is de-rigueur.
Just for clarity there are not many watches I would spend more than a couple of grand on to be honest. Seiko is just one of them. Plus I spend my money on things I like and Seiko simply leaves me cold - I do however still own a 1975 6105, but never wear it because I have better (IMHO) watches available to me.
Credor, might be made from unavailablon, machined by devout Budist monks living on the top of Mount Fiji, it might have a ceramic Dial, fired in a kin burning only the rarest bamboo and panda fur, it even might be lubricated with the tears of a Moby Dick, but at the end of day I still don't like it. It's boring.
You on the other hand are welcome to think otherwise
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To be honest it's the GS that make me think otherwise! I like the back of the Credor but it wouldn't be my personal unit of currency to represent £40k, though it would at least be an unusual and discrete choice. Personally, the GS (or at least some of them) make me happy to spend a fair amount on a watch made by Seiko and question what, 'just a Seiko' actually means in practice, instead of questioning the quality of the watch based on the brand name. It's a similar situation with Ford cars - if you had only seen the Mondeo, you could assume the GT40 is 'just a Ford', or you could revise your idea of the brand to include the unexpected information that they also make cars that won at Le Mans.
That is a lovely watch. But I am surprised at the choice when considering your G wagon. I would have assumed that a new purchase would be similarly sporty/rugged like an AP etc. Not that there is anything wrong with the car or the watch.