Agreed, sure. The reason I quoted those examples is merely to suggest that we do have ownership of text and pictures that we post. Not to equate linking with appropriating.
The seller is still offering someone else's listing to bolster his own (otherwise there is no point in doing it), so I still think manners suggest that you ask, even if, as you rightly suggest, linking it leaves it in its original situation.
Dave
For me the ideal ad has a few recent pictures and also links to all previous ads.
I cant see how anyone would take umbrage with a link back if the new seller puts some of their own work into the post.
Personally, I wouldn't have asked permission. If I was having an off day, I may have sent a pm advising that I was moving the watch on and would be linking to the original sale.
It's nothing like lifting other people's words and photos, it's clearly a link to their work.
I'm sorry, but I just don't get it - it's completely flawed logic.
Don't want anyone linking to one of your previous posts, then don't post!
It's just a matter of time...
Do we really need to ask permission to link to a thread which is already available to anyone?
The original poster doesn’t own anything with this. If people want to do it then that’s fine but to feel aggrieved if someone hasn’t is a bit over the top don’t you think?
Surely there are bigger problems in the world.
Being a serial flipper I always refer to previous sales posts with “purchase from forum here”
When I buy from the forum, I like to do my homework and make the effort of finding previous sales posts of the same watch. I want to know as much about the watch and who owned it.
I still post my own text, recent photos etc, and link merely as a courtesy for members to save them time trying to find the earlier sales post.
Not sure why a previous seller would not mind being linked to be honest. Transparency makes this forum a much safer place to buy expensive watches, and long may it remain that way.
So you asked michael.jaye if you could link to one of his posts, as well? On an ad with your own pics and description, and he said 'no'? And then he got the hump with Mart Broad for also linking back to one of his forum sales posts?
Case closed. Someone needs to stop being so precious, me precious …
Didn’t have sight of the ad at the time of the initial request. If asked the question I have every right to decline. My personal view is I can’t see what value links being added to advert bring hence why I declined.
Not being precious, just asking what the forum view is in posting links. By the looks of things I’m not alone in my thinking.
This isn’t a big deal...why is it when a question is asked on the forum people interpret it as a moan?
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Links might not add value for you but if it does for others why not just say yes? Who are you to say it doesn’t add value for someone else?
You might have a right to refuse but you’ve no right to be asked. Seller could always name date of previous sales post (and even you) so easily found anyway.
Why can’t I answer based on my own views? As you say I have a right to refuse. My main crux is I can’t see how old photos/description help in a current sales ad? To me none hence my reasoning to decline....not because of me being protective of “my” post. Opinion of whether old links add value is split, I am not alone.
I’m not saying I have the right to be asked, topic is to gauge forum opinion.
Cant see that specifically in the guidelines - perhaps implied in (6).
Dealers are not allowed to post, neither should there be any links to commercial websites.
If pictures or links to pictures are used, the picture should be of the actual item offered for sale. If the picture is NOT the item offered for sale, it should be made clear in the description.
Anyone who posts more than 3 items a week will be regarded as a dealer.
The advertising of replica watches is not permitted.
All "For Sale" posts should include a selling price whether or not the post also includes a link to another site where the item is offered for sale or auction.
Prices should not be deleted when the sale is completed.
All items offered for sale should be the property of the poster, not "sold on behalf of".
If your first post after joining the forum is a "For Sale" post, expect it and your membership to be deleted.
All "Wanted To Buy" posts should be in the "I Want One Of These" sub-forum. Any WTB posts in "Sales Corner" will be deleted.
All knives and air guns offered for sale must be UK legal and the sale must be conducted in accordance with the relevant laws.
All posts which contravene these guidelines will be deleted.
It's just a matter of time...
There was one member a while back who, once whatever he was selling sold, used to delete all the content of his sales posts apart from the price, I think it was. Maybe the price too. It leads one to wonder why someone would want to cover their tracks like that.
For clarity, I'm not referring to michael.jaye, as you can see for yourself here, here, here and here.
I have no objection to people linking back to my sales posts. Why would I? If people want to look back over the history of the watches.. GOOD.
Saves on "oh ive had this for years" aka bought it from eBay last week.. shenanigans.
Linking to the old ad just seems lazy. I want to see the watch you have, right now, in your ownership.
Take some photos, put up a description. It's not hard and I don't think it should be considered a complete advert unless there are new photos.
It's just a matter of time...
Nothing wrong with a seller linking to a previous ad PROVIDING you get permission/agreement AND you are just using it as a piece of extra provenance in addition to your own description and current pictures. The old ad is not yours and any pictures in it are not yours, using them without permission is extremely discourteous and they may not be indicative of the current state of the watch. A lazy ad does not tempt people to buy and the ‘piggybacking’ issue mentioned earlier in the thread is a very valid point.
One thing I find particularly irritating is a seller who has had and worn a watch for a couple of years and put it up for sale whining that they ‘just’ want to get all of their purchase price back. I know there are various and valid Daytona-like reasons why a seller could reasonably ask more than they paid but some buggers think that applies to all watches and asaiac it does not!
HAGW guys!
Last edited by KavKav; 15th March 2019 at 08:55.
Like most on here I do my own Sales Post with as much info and photos as I can give. However some people do a much better job when it comes to a Sales Post than my sometimes pathetic efforts with regards to content and photos. In that case I always ask before linking to their post as to me it gives a better chance of selling the item. Without arguing the legal rights etc of using someone elses pics etc, it just seems only polite to ask.
Must admit never had anyone refuse yet.
This took with a bit of a surprise, as I am the current owner of the blue Pelagos referenced here. I honestly never thought it was a thing nor I see an “ownership” issue, for me it is a link to the history of the watch. I will however remove your link from my ad, and, please accept my apologies if it offended you in any way.
Cheers
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