If you want weekend fun, then you should be thinking competition.*
Get yourself a National Speed B license, read the blue book, settle on a discipline and take it from there.
*trackdays ≠ competition
You and I have similar taste in cars! I love the Europa, it’s one of the most fun cars I’ve ever driven and hard to find nowadays. They look stunning in the flesh, but a bit weird in photos! Well done for getting one, you won’t lose money on it.
OP test drive an Evora S.
If you want weekend fun, then you should be thinking competition.*
Get yourself a National Speed B license, read the blue book, settle on a discipline and take it from there.
*trackdays ≠ competition
The 2009 on dfi engines don't suffer bore scoring or Ims issues, the MA1 was a total redesign. It was for that reason I suggested a gen 2 997 above though a similarly equipped Cayman would also be a fine choice as suggested by others. I would personally avoid a 996, even in rocket ship turbo form since the interior has really dated and now feels its age.
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Last year I purchased an evo 5 rs for £12,500. A hoot to drive. I have had loadsa evos so know what to look for. But the prices are only going one way especially on rare models like mine. It's done 50k from new and been in Japan all its life. So no rot. I've spent a bit on it. Refurbing bits and bobs, at the end of the day it's 19 years old. But weighs 1350kg with 330bhp, so proper old school. Now getting a rare sight on out roads
Reading your posts it seems investment outweighs performance so how about going for an 80's classic, climbing prices along with 40 something's that get all misty eyed over the cars of their teens..
I have an E30 M3, they are around for you price and will increase over the next few years plus it's gets some great looks when driving it, others like MK1 Golf GTI's are doing well and great fun to drive..
Cheers guys. Stands me to about £15.5k now. I'd say it's now worth that, maybe a grand more. But will steadily increase in value/stay at least the same. But for me it's about owning it
I think the image of these has gone past the boy racer days now. They're a cult classic. Sadly gone are these days!!!
From your posts, it does sound like the investment return is going to be more important to you than the car itself. Unfortunately, you might be about to jump in at the wrong time.
It looks like interest rates are finally going to rise after years of 0.5 or 0.25%. When this happens, lots of investors will start taking their money out of the classic car market. This will only have one effect on values and prices.
Personally, I would buy a car to drive and enjoy it. If it goes up in value, that’s a bonus. If it doesn’t, then that’s just a cost of a hobby that I enjoy.
Can't understand the fascination with boring looking saloon cars, however many exhaust pipes they have.
For my money, the most beautiful looking car, with unbelievable road holding, cheap to run, cheap to insure, surefire investment.......No, not a MX5......
A 1974, Lotus Europa big valve.
A lot of the suggestions - mostly great cars - don't fit the criteria of a break-even or small profit price?
The E46 M3 CSL (only the CSL) may well do, modern Jags, Italians etc almost certainly won't? Some of the Porsches might be a good bet. Nothing diesel! Depending on your driving preferences, a (semi) classic might be a good bet - Escort/Sierra Cossie, Lotus Carlton- that sort of thing? Either fully restored or cheaper and spend the money to have it brought up to scratch.
Maybe something from your past that you always wanted?
Instead of looking for one car to keep for 5 years hoping for at least a 100% return, why not tick off a few boxes on your car bucket list keeping each one for a year?
Nissan GTR?
It’s not pretty to look at, neither are they luxurious, but for me it’s a box I want to tick at some point.
Merc SL550?
The various Porsche’s mentioned?
Caterhams? BMW M5 V10? Noble? Volvo P1800? Old Alfa’s?
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I think that 996 Turbo is out now, he's inflexible in the price and their ability to hit me some mega bills down the line has put me off somewhat. Im swaying towards the V8 Vantage, ticks all the boxes, looks and sound amazing, shouldn't lose any money and is relatively well priced to look after.
I’d go for the Exige V6 over the supercharged Toyota, the performance gap is quite noticeable.
A 2013 V6 should be achievable for £37k alternatively buy my 2015 car for not much more and have the comfort of another year of manufacturer warranty 😃
http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...ighlight=Exige
And you think a V8 Vantage might not hit you with the odd stingy bill?
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That reminds me of my old N plate Fiat Cinquecento Sporting. That was such a shed but I had such a hoot thrashing it everywhere.
Forgot to say I also owned a V8 Vantage for a year. The N400 variant. Stunning to look at (but you can't see it when you're in it), sounds amazing. Large boot, for a sports car of it's type. For me it was a bit heavy, you could feel it's weight and traction control regularly kicked in.
It's a sweeping A road car, not a twisty B road car, so it depends what you want. If you pick the right one, then again shouldn't lose you too much (lost £1000 on mine depreciation after a year, but because it came with brand new tyres and brakes, cost me nothing in consumables).
James Hunt's A35 van on bald cross plys, seems now everyone says he drove it as couldn't afford to keep his barge like 450 SEL on the road but i'm sure I read an interview with him saying
he kept it as it was great to drive it at 100 percent on the road without getting into trouble (and to transport his Budgies in the back)
James Hunt was a massive contrarian - he was an F1 champion who really didn't like cars that much (and who rode a bike around London), so he may have been truthful when he said he liked driving an A35 van. It's indisputable, however, that he couldn't afford to run his Mercedes 450SEL 6.9 - there's a reasonably famous picture of NLT 735V up on bricks outside his house!
What about a Lexus ISF? Very rare, can't see them dropping more in price
Alternatively the C4S (996) keeps going up and up in value at the moment
Well no one has suggested it yet so I will.
Honda NSX.
Values are only going one way, super easy to use on a daily basis if you so choose and being a Honda it's going to be pretty reliable.
Oh and the rareness on the road makes it a bit more special.
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Well remembered, thankfully a hollow threat as I suggested Lotus interrogated the ECU to analyse the performance data stored. No "race starts" over over revs logged and data shows driven with mechanical sympathy (always warmed up) I was rather surprised the amount of data it stores!
This. Although you'll be lucky to see even a ratty 997 GTS for much less than £60k, and 993's are now mental prices.
As others have said, depends if you want a track car you can use on the road occasionally or a nice weekend GT for weekends to France. If the latter, the XKR's (x100) could be a good investment - xjr's are doing super well on price and these may follow. I had one and it was a lovely, proper GT. Wish I'd kept it.
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I've read the thread start to finish and would agree with most options
But I'll add ( just to open up the discussion)
Lancia fulvia HF or Alfa Gt junior/GTV - reason being the lack of weight and throttle response....
Escort RS of some sort- reasons as above
OR...
Merc amg coupe c63- reasoning being that cars like these are not made any more/ never will be so could be a good Choice over 5 years?
Personally I'd go for an integrale
Cayman R at top end of budget or MX5 mk3 for a budget option.
Get a drive in a decently powered Caterham. You won't lose money, they are not expensive to run and nothing will feel more exhilarating to drive.
Or a Defender
Funny you should say that, I may know of one for sale
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...rham-7/7764670
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What about the new (ish) RHD Ford Mustang V8.... that has got to sound nice... Got one hired for a short trip in a few weeks when I am in the US ...
And as a previous Caterham 7 owner, I concur they are excellent fun to drive, can be very fast, cheap to run, hold onto their value really well...
I'd go for the CSL, wish I'd bought one years ago when I bought the standard E46 M3. They were a half decent price back then. Would make a great weekend toy.
Boxster Spyder, V6 Exige or has been suggested, spend a bit less on a car & get a bike (ignore the wife).
At a much lower price point, I'm absolutely loving my Clio Trophy.
Look how much fun we had last weekend
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Andy
Wanted - Damasko DC57
I think a clean and late example of a 6.2L C63 AMG is a good way to go, these cars are a dying breed of large naturally aspirated engine that are already going obsolete.
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Oh dear, mission creep has set in and I've started looking at GT3's and 360's!!
http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1133/996GT3Mk1/
Safe enough place for 2-3 years I reckon and one of my all time favourite cars, a friend had one 3 years ago and had the pleasure of driving it a few times.
The obvious answer is a 968 Sport, 968 Turbo or if you can find one a 968 Club Sport.
I will gaurentee that that you will not lose money or be crippled by servicing and insurance costs. Unlike some of the rubbish identified about.
Plus it will be hoot to drive.
Failing that and a bit cheaper, how about a 944 Turbo (250bhp) and spend 25k on watches.
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Almost bought a 968 Clubsport about 7 years ago in blue!
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