So a 8500 co-axial movement isn't made by Omega?
And Patek don't make their own movements?
News to me.
On topic now, sorry for the tangent, fakes, I don't get the point of them, or the mugs who buy them.
I don't have one Brendan, it's nearly midnight on a Friday night and the HP is flowing! :)
I was only having a joke with you, you seem unusually grumpy tonight!
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You say tom-a-toe
I say tom-r-toe
Let's call the whole thing off.
I had an argument the other day with someone at work.
They called me a snob because I told them their fake watch was a piece of crap and in no way comparable to a real Rolex.
When I pointed out that they were the snob because they were choosing the branding rather than the quality of the product, they laughed. They really didn't get it and I could tell they thought they were superior for making such a wise and money saving purchase. He even suggested that he may "have been lucky" and picked up a real Rolex for a bargain price, even though he bought it in Benidorm and it was a quartz Sub.
The problem is, once these debates start nobody can win because in their eyes they are always right. it really is so polarising in the extreme.
Omega is the only entity that has the authority to determine "what is an Omega?" If they place an ETA movement in an Omega case and deem the watch to be an Omega, then it is an Omega.
When Tudor was in its youth, most of its movements were produced by Rolex. This did not result in a "fake Tudor." Tudor in those days was defined as containing Rolex movements...because Tudor deemed it so.
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
I have repaired watches nearly all my life and seen profound changes to the industry from a watchsmith's perspective.
The Swiss ebauche has improved dramatically in both quality and accuracy and I love working on them.
What saddens me is that there are only a handful of makers left and most share the same ebauches. These companies now rely on their past glories to sell their current models.
The companies who still make their own movements sell very expensive watches but have stuck to their traditions.
I personally find the former a kind of fakery because the customer is no longer buying a product which is designed and made by the company selling it.
That's progress !
And simply my opinion.
Brendan
The car industry must be the worst perpetrators of fakery and is similar to the Omega issue. You buy a car with a Ford badge and it's really only the badge that is Ford or Mazda maybe. Most of the low to medium range cars and vans are bitsa this and that from wherever it's made cheapest then stuck together and badged whatever name takes the marketers fancy and sells the best.
I totally agree. If I had bothered to research I would have realised my Bentley Continental GT was made by pollution figure fakers Volkswagen and never owned one!
But I did, enjoyed it immensely and have now crossed it off my bucket list.
At least though, being a car not a Swiss watch, I could easily buy any parts I needed for it !!
Brendan
It's true, Casio make Patek's movements. Finally we can come clean about this, phew.
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Brendan
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ETA is owned by Swatch who in turn also own Omega so Omega uses in house movements
For me, that's a bit of an oversimplification; the logic really doesn't follow. While there's absolutely no rational basis for saying that Omega makes fakes due to their movements being manufactured by ETA and some of their components being outsourced to countries with cheap labour and lax environmental standards, they're not exactly what I'd call in-house, either.
Anyway, it's a completely tangential discussion to fake watches, which are obviously both for and by total lame-Os — and nothing further needs to be said on that subject.
So.... Back on topic(-ish).
Anyone noticed the Sea Dweller just popped up on a very well known Auction Website with a Brown leather strap and a very attractive price ?
I'm certainly not an expert, but I'm not quite sure that it's kosher....
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The GT was designed, engineered and built in the Bentley plant at Crewe.
Like most manufacturers, they outsource manufacture of some components. I can't think of any who make everything 'in house'. It's not like VAG stamped out some panels and said 'design something around this little lot would you?'.
A bit like watches, I don't really care where the components are manufactured, but I do care about the design, engineering and quality of assembly.
Why is it a lesser watch or vehicle because it wasn't all done under one roof?
Perhaps I should join the M3 forum and say I have been offered a car with all the right M3 badges etc. but it is really a 320d but looks the same so might as well buy it and what do they think ?
Have a look at it.
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I've just read through the lot of this - I'm confused, are we saying the movement on my Omega is made by VW or Ford? And do I have to check under the bonnet to see if it's a fake.....?!
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