I believe that they start trying to find you with the signal only when you are declared as missing.
If you activate your emergency signal in the middle of London, nobody will try to find you.
There I was last night laying in the bath contemplating the day gone past, when a though popped into my mind.. No not that one.
Emergency watches, when is the correct time to use it? I know if your stuck up a mountain or in mid Atlantic and your boat capsizes thats probably exceptable!
What these days constitutes as an emergency? For me running out of Hobnob on a wet wednesday is a crisis. so I know may be they have a use for military and adventurous type people, the bloke in 127 hours could have done with one!
would it be ok, say your walking in the peak district with your family and one slips and twists/broke an ankle would then be ok, or does it have to life threatening not to land a good bollocking and a fine.
I dont wish to affend or appear flippant , I was just wondering.
As I said. I was laying in the bath.........
I believe that they start trying to find you with the signal only when you are declared as missing.
If you activate your emergency signal in the middle of London, nobody will try to find you.
Don't know the answer, and never had one of these contraptions, but if I had one I feel sure there would be a very precise guide to it's use supplied with it - perhaps an owner could enlighten us?
Given that it is a radio transmission I'd put it into the same category as a 'Mayday' call: grave and imminent threat requiring immediate assistance.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
I wonder how many people have been rescued thanks to their Breitling.
I believe this describes the situation today: "The international Council of COSPAS-S&RSAT decided in October 2000 \[in response to guidance from the IMO (International Maritime Organization) and the ICAO (International Civil Aviation)\] to cease processing the 121.5 MHz analog signals by satellite on 1 February 2009. From that date on, only the 406 MHz beacons will be detected by satellite. The decision was made to reduce the chronically high false alarm rate from analog distress beacons. Currently 97 percent of analog distress beacon signals are false alarms."
Breitlings should have 121.5 MHz, so not much help if you activate it.
Not as many as have been mugged for it.Originally Posted by colin
"Bite my shiny metal ass."
- Bender Bending Rodríguez
Done to death before.......
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
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Breitling Emergency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitling# ... _Emergency
Testing the Breitling Emergency
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3R7lhLqVo8
john
Costume jewellery. Ouch!!!
Uhhh, another Breitling emergency thread :roll:
The watch is only supposed to be used in an aviation-related emergency. If monarch run out of sandwiches or there's no more business seats left on BA then I wouldn't use it though!
Emergency services still have the equipment to search for 121.5mhz but I believe they would only activate if they know you have such a transmitter. Otherwise the satellite signal is solely used for searching.
The myth that there's a big button to press is just that... Just to clear that one up.
All very good. But again, the Emergency is not designed to reach satellites - only SAR. Perhaps a sticky...?
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
I like 'em :wink:Originally Posted by W44NNE
I like Rolex...but I also like Omega :lol: :lol:
ant penaltys for misuse?
$30k? Or the direct costs of the rescue mission?Originally Posted by soapy
Last AD told me the penalty is now unlimited. Must be related to the mission on that basis.Originally Posted by MrLion
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I think the penalty fee would be whatever the emergency service wants to charge... Although would they always go down that route?
Watching Corrie last night... The fire service were called but there was no fire. Hope Nick got fined! :-D
Correct! Interestingly the registration form you have to send off to Breitling when you purchase one requires you to supply your type of aeronautical license and the license number. I don't see much point in owning one if you don't spend a lot of your time in aircraft; other than the kudos factor I guess ;)Originally Posted by WingTsun
I dont see the point myself unless you are crossing the atlantic in a rowing boat, or hiking ot the north pole etc.
The Ł34k fine for misuse is enough to put me off.
All sorts of figures for the fine coming out... Gotta be one of the biggest Chinese whispers of the 21st centuryOriginally Posted by clockwatcher
I'm tempted to post up the whole "Contract of Sale" but not sure if that's allowed...
However, to quote condition 2 of the contract of sale for the Breitling Emergency:
(my highlighting)Originally Posted by Breitling SA
There is no figure mentioned as to what the financial penalty for misuse is, only that the owner would have to pay for it (as well as the cost to fix the watch).
Think that pretty much clears it up for anyone wondering.
Now I know. Thanks for making it clear...
I have not missed the point at all - I cant see the point in them - period :roll:Originally Posted by WingTsun
Couldn't you just tell them your plane sank? :wink:Originally Posted by WingTsun
Yeah so just say "my logbook and license were in the plane's glovebox occifer..." :-DOriginally Posted by WingTsun
I dont care what frequencey it transmits on. Its a gimmick and you will most likely be dead by the time anybody finds you. It did not work for Steve Fossett.Originally Posted by WingTsun
If Fossett was alive when he crashed the emergency would have saved him. You can be sure all the aircrafts that were looking for him were monitoring that frequency.
I have the terms here, the important point form it has been posted above. They do state if you use it in a real emergency then they'll recondition and replace the transmitter for free, which is nice of them :mrgreen:
Given a choice between a likely death and a large bill (which I might not be able to pay anyway), I think I would choose to use the transmitter (if I had one).
If the transmitter didn't work I wouldn't be in a position to care, or if it did but the emergency services didn't make it in time, they can send the bill to the trustees of my estate :)
Clearly you know very little about the emergency services :roll:Originally Posted by W44NNE
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
You know the details of the Fossett crash?Originally Posted by clockwatcher
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Well please do enlighten us.Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK
What do you (specifically) want to know?Originally Posted by W44NNE
Starter for 10......
Calling the Fire Service with good intent = Ł0 charge, malicious call = up to Ł5000 fine/six months in prison (or both).
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
[quote=Chris_in_the_UK]What do you (specifically) want to know?Originally Posted by W44NNE
Starter for 10......
Calling the Fire Service with good intent = Ł0 charge, malicious call = up to Ł5000 fine/six months in prison (or both).[/quote:mdc05ta7]
Well thanks for the input... Although you could have just said this anyhow. I'm sure everyone will appreciate it.
[quote=W44NNE]Well thanks for the input... Although you could have just said this anyhow. I'm sure everyone will appreciate it.[/quote:1t27oqj7]Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK
Ok - soz, nothing more annoying to emergency services personnel than somebody making light hearted comments.
Sorry for being a bit 'prickly' :roll:
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Fair enough although the light hearted comment was in no way aimed at the emergency services! It was relating to the fiction of Corrie which I'm made to watch by her indoors! You got the completely wrong end of the stick... We all appreciate what you do.
Hope this thread goes back on topic now.
You've got it in one. The Breitling Emergency is one of the 'honorary mechanicals' as far as the WIS community is concerned. :DOriginally Posted by Moose
Emergency Signaling, Emergency Beacons and Breitling’s EMERGENCY Wristwatch.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f39/emerge ... h-170.html
Owners of the Breitling Emergency Watch can breathe a sigh of relief since the FCC will leave intact the waiver granted to Breitling that permits marketing and use of the company’s Emergency Watch, which is considered a homing beacon and not an ELT, and was never dependent upon Cospas-Sarsat’s processing of 121.5 MHz distress signals. “The commission agrees that “Cospas-Sarsat’s termination of satellite monitoring of 121.5 MHz has no bearing on the utility of the Breitling Emergency Watch and has no impact on its functionality and safety benefits.”
FCC Prohibits 121.5 MHz ELT Use
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... 0ELT%20UsejohnCan only pilots purchase the Breitling Emergency?
This used to be the case in the US. However, with the introduction of the 2002 model, non-pilots can purchase the Emergency as well. It does have to be registered by submitting your driver's license number. (The Unofficial Breitling FAQ)
Costume jewellery. Ouch!!!
Lets not forget the chronograph, the 'deep dive' watch etc.............Originally Posted by abraxas
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
I don't get what you mean. :scratch:Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK
This is what Breitling have on their site:
http://www.breitling.com/en/models/prof ... /index.php
http://www.breitling.com/modeles/pdf/BR ... 148_en.pdf
john
Costume jewellery. Ouch!!!
Incorrect. 121.5MHz is an emergency freq. ELTs, EPIRBs and PLBs all operate on that frequency and the military also use 121.5 (at least they did, not sure what current SOP is) for emergency calls of all sorts, not just aviation.Originally Posted by WingTsun
The boats I work on have EPIRB's that transmit on both 406 and 121.5 Mhz.Originally Posted by Nalu
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
See my post above. :wink:Originally Posted by WingTsun
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
They do now, as do the PLBs. But 121.5 was never dedicated to aviation emergencies, that's just plain silly.Originally Posted by ralphy
Nope.Originally Posted by WingTsun
They are activated either automatically by immersion in seawater (so the boats gone down) or manually by a crew-man (boats going down or on fire).
I've no idea whom I'd be expected to seek permission from but rest assured I wouldn't be giving it much thought at the time. :wink:
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
That's because according to his wife, he left his on the dresser. D'oh.Originally Posted by clockwatcher
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/13/fo ... pstoryview
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
I've read anything from 21, to "more than 60", to "hundreds" but only Breitling will know, and that's assuming the watch was returned for the transmitter to be re-loaded or whatever it is they do with it. And for some higher authority (the government? :lol:) to decide that the owner was sufficiently imperilled that non-activation would have resulted in certain death. So no-one really knows.Originally Posted by colin
In 1995 people on board an expedition craft in the Pacific were rescued when someone picked up the PLB from a squawking Emergency. That wasn't aviation distress, though.
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
One of the largest emergency beacon manufacturers in the world is McMurdo and their EPIRB range are all dual frequency transmitters.Originally Posted by WingTsun
It was a McMurdo EPIRB that saved the lives of the two Trans-Atlantic rowers who were rescued when they activated the beacon after their boat sank in the middle of the Atlantic last month
I'd be interested to know a) who's banned them and b) whom you need to seek special permission from for having them on board?The transatlantic rowers, Briton Tom Fancett and Dutchman Tom Sauer, were nine days into the Talisker Whiskey Atlantic Challenge, a 3,000 mile endurance rowing event from the Canary Islands to Barbados, when a freak wave struck their boat and caused it to capsize and sink.
The Falmouth Coastguard received the alert at 7:54pm on Tuesday 13th December, 480 miles South West of the Canary Islands from the UK registered McMurdo beacon, belonging to the Atlantic Challenge rowing boat PS Vita. The Falmouth Coast Guard broadcast an alert to all vessels in the area. Four vessels picked up the alert however approximately 120 miles from the location, and closest to the scene, was Crystal Serenity a Bahamian registered cruise ship which was en route to St Martin in the Caribbean from Tenerife.
The two rowers, who had spent at least 10 hours adrift in their tiny life raft before being saved, were rescued uninjured by the crew of Crystal Serenity in the early hours of the morning on Wednesday 14th December.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.