they have been growing on my lately - narrowed it down to 4 models: Explorer II, 14060 no date sub, explorer or 1016 explorer. I want some thing that I can just wear, so the 1016 might not be a good plan. Also thinking of the tudor black bay? Always liked sea dwellers, but they are just too much for my wrist. What do you think? Right now I wear a seiko 6309 (bought new in tokyo in the Marines), IWC XII and an O&W M something smaller sub style.