When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
I had a bit of a fever after the AZ vaccine, but a couple of paracetamol sorted me out. They really do work!
Well thankfully it is now the following day after my jab and other than a slight ache where the injection was, I’m fine.
Given the low number that have had a stroke following the AZ jab, I find it a little disturbing that I know of two people who have had a stroke after having the jab. Given we have a 70m plus population, that is either a massive coincidence that I know two of the 90 or they are not telling the truth.
Had my second jab last night.
Nothing to report apart from a slightly sore arm the first time round but this time I have woken up with a very sore painful arm and also feeling under the weather.
No guitar playing for me today.
Cheers,
Neil.
My wife had a drink with a friend last night who works in clinical trials at our local hospital. All of said friend's colleagues have had both jabs apart from one who refused them. Guess which one of the team is currently hospitalised with Covid with all the others fine?
Overall risks of suffering a thrombosis if you're admitted to hospital in the UK with Covid is (relying on memory) around 23%. Granted by no means all of those are nasty ones, but that risk dwarfs the thrombotic risks associated with AZ or J&J/Jansson.
Risk of hospital admission in the UK if you catch Covid in your 60s (from one big study I recall from last year) was around 12%.
As our American friends say, do the math.
Had my first jab today. I'm 49, so was surprised to be able to book one so quickly after they opened it up to my age-group.
Dave E
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day
Had mine tonight - Oxford AZ. I'm awaiting the illness through the night.
YorkshireMadMick is reminding me of this Harry Enfield character -
I like what I say and I say t’what I bluuuudy well like!
Mick, it’s likely this novel corona virus and its mutations are not going to be eradicated so it’s probably just a question of when you come across it, not if. All the time you are getting older and less capable of fighting it unassisted.
I respect your decision not to be vaccinated but can’t begin to understand the reasoning.
Given the %ages and chances involved for your age group Mick I personally think you bought the wrong lottery ticket. As lockdown ends I think you will need to exercise incredible diligence to avoid getting it as others won’t be as careful once they have been double jabbed. Hope your decision has no bad outcome for you.
I'm not against the vaccines at all but at the same time I don't believe they're telling the truth about adverse reactions.
This from a friend this morning who is trying to decide what to do:
"So far my tally is
1 mate was “sick as a dog” after his Jab
1 friends aunt is now in hospital after Jab 2, brain scans EEg and heart problems. Suddenly could not Walk.
1 friend who was a sceptic but “did his research” is “really not well” 7 days after his jab. Works from home. Sees no one now can’t get to see a Gp
3 other friends who were “very ill” after jab 1 but so far seem better
1 friend who’s perfectly healthy colleague 58, dropped dead a week or so after Jab1. Friend is a total Vax zealot and will not entertain even the possibility it could be related."
Said friend is a bit worried about it overall...
The risks...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56665396
Had my second one today. Called 8 weeks on from my first. AZ and all fine.
Dave E
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day
Much more fun than paracetamol.
I have one acquaintance who had 5 days of feeling rough after hers with 2 days off work (and she's no whinger), while everyone else has either had nothing at all, or 36-48h of some combination of tiredness, shivery, muscle ache and feeling 'rough', mostly resolved by paracetamol.
The one bloke who was suffering shivers, fever and abdominal pain at day 6 turned out to have gallstones blocking his gallbladder!
The Zoe app is a good, independent way of monitoring vaccine side effects, and they've currently got over 1m jabbed people recruited, with low levels of 'systemic' side effects (lower overall if you havn't had Covid beforehand): https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/vacci...eady-had-covid
There's a patient (under 60 y/o) in a Dutch hospital who was caught by Covid after he'd refused the AZ vaccination. Why refused? Because there's a lot of 'noise' when it comes to thrombosis under 60 yes/no. One moment the government says 'yes', the other moment it's 'no'. The hospital has written and open letter asking, no... begging, to restart the AZ vaccination for people under 60 y/o. The patient agreed that the hospital used pics of his lungs to demonstrate how worse his case is.
The Dutch government is making a total mess of the whole vaccination operation and is not willing to listen to advice. One example: the complete vaccination program is run by the National Institute for Public Health. No-one there has any logistic experience! As a result, vaccin doses are held up in a warehouse, or have to be thrown away. On the other side: vaccination centers are empty: people don't receive a notification that they're expected to appear for their shot. It sounds like a bad movie, for some it is.
Had the AZ a couple of weeks ago, stiff shoulders and neck for 24 hours. Raging thirst for the rest of the day of the jag. Right as rain the following day.
Yes, I've got a French friend who's saying much the same (although it sounds like some parts of France are a lot better than others).
Here in the UK there's a stark difference in the performance of the 'Track and Trace' and the Vaccination initiatives :
The former was peddled off to centralised commercial-sector government cronies who'd never tracked or traced anything, while the local public sector public health departments (who've been tracking and tracing dozens of outbreaks for 20 years - swine flu, salmonella etc etc), were left in the cold with nothing to do. Needless to say central government have spent over 20 billion ukquid on it so far, and system performance is still borderline hopeless.
In contrast, although the vaccination programme in the UK throughout from science to jabbing was largely planned by a group of entrepreneurs, the right entrepreneurs were chosen. They consulted the right people across academia and the private and public sectors: consequently they invested right from the beginning and took educated risks on several vaccine pipelines, and they went for experience and reliability in implementation - ie they gave the actual immunisation role to those who do it all the time (the NHS, both centrally and General Practices), and they put logistics in the hands those who do that all the time - the military.
Surprise, surprise, if you plan right the way from beginning to end and give important jobs to people who are experienced and good at doing similar jobs, regardless of private or public status, it just works. On the other hand, if you're ideologically prejudiced to think the private sector's always better, sometimes you'll get it catastrophically wrong.
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I had a terrible nights sleep and felt shocking this morning. I had two paracetamol at 8am then went to watch my daughter play football and I feel great now.
Had my first Az yesterday lunchtime, so it is now 31 hours later.
Last night I slept terribly, cold to hot to cold and woke this morning feeling rough. I am still feeling delicate/tired but putting that down to lack of sleep.
Arm ache has gone, thankfully .