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    Fake CWC's

    I'm sure it has been mentioned before, but there are a couple of very suspect CWC G10's on the bay at the moment. Beware of markings 0552/6644-86 etc.

    Terry

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    agree 100% :shock:

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    What are the signs for spoting a fake (in addition to the above mentioned serial number)?

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry
    I'm sure it has been mentioned before, but there are a couple of very suspect CWC G10's on the bay at the moment. Beware of markings 0552/6644-86 etc.

    Terry

    THANK YOU Terry
    You have just saved me some money.


    David

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    Quote Originally Posted by hogthrob
    What are the signs for spoting a fake (in addition to the above mentioned serial number)?
    Those numbers aren't the serial number.

    The 0552 is the code for the Royal Navy (0555 Royal Marines, W10 Army and 6B or 6BB RAF)

    6645 is part of the NSN; the NATO Supply Classification (NSC) identifier for timekeeping instruments, 6644 is not a valid NSC.

    99 is also part of the NSN; it is the code for the first country to codify the item (see below,) note not all of these countries belong to NATO), 86 is not a valid code.

    On CWC and Hamilton watches, the above line would be followed by the remaining seven digits of the NSN, then another line with the serial number/two digit year (in the quartz, the pheon points at the crown, in the mechanicals, it is between the second and third line):

    W10-6645-99
    523-8290
    4349/79

    Sometimes some of this information is ommitted, particularly in the fat case CWC quartz watches (note the location of the pheon):

    6645-99
    541-7362
    (pheon)
    317/80

    00 United States
    01 United States
    11 NATO
    12 Germany
    13 Belgium
    14 France
    15 Italy
    17 Netherlands
    18 South Africa
    21 Canada
    22 Denmark
    23 Greece
    24 Iceland
    25 Norway
    26 Portugal
    27 Turkey
    28 Luxembourg
    29 Argentina
    30 Japan
    31 Israel
    32 Singapore
    66 Australia
    98 New Zealand
    99 United Kingdom

    EDIT: All this only applies to British watches after the adoption of the NSN stock numbering system, and other watch manufacturer's may stamp the information differently, but the codes will be the same.

    Some variaations:

    (These two have just the last seven digits of the NSN)
    6BB-924-3306
    xxx/YR

    0552/924-3305
    xxxx

    (no service code)
    6645-99
    7683056
    (pheon)
    xxxx/YR

    6645-99-757-3314
    (pheon)
    xxxx/YR

    (all on one line)
    W10 6645-99-961-4045
    (pheon)
    xxxx/YR

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    Thank you for the info ...

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    if only I knew what a pheon was :roll:

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Coronel
    if only I knew what a pheon was :roll:
    A pheon is the arrow / crows foot marking. /|\

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    If any one is after a G10 (real issued one) i have a couple still on my desk, in used condition but i can gaurentee that it is not a fake !

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    Wow! what a collection!!!

    I'm really interested in finding a royal navy issued watch from 1992 if you have one at all? it was the year i joined the RN so would be lovely to find one! I actually had one given to me whilst i was serving, by a mate who was a RN Diver. it broke so i threw it in the bin I still kick myself for doing something so stupid!

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    Floyd,

    Was it a CWC Quartz diver or CWC G10 that you threw in the bin? This is the only choice for 1992 I think. A 0552 1992 issued PVD CWC Quartz diver (SBS issue) sold on e..y recently. Good luck with the hunt and be sure to show us your find if successful.

    Terry

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    Hi Terry, it was a 90's G10 that i threw away. At the time, it was a simple job of popping down to stores and requesting another one so from that perspective, they were always treated as 'throw away'. crazy really! wish i'd have kept it but looking back, i've thrown all sorts in the bin without really bothering, a raymond weil being one such item :S

    If i find my '92 G10, i'll be sure to post pics, you can be sure of that.

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    Re: Fake CWC's

    out of all those case backs not a single 92 !!!

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    Contender for the longest thread resurrection ever, but I was searching google and stumbled on this.

    This appeared on e-bay tonight

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114980070...cAAOSwD75hOjZ2

    The NSN looks completely wrong, hence my search.

    Avoid.

    Now reported to e-bay as a fake.
    Last edited by Wallasey Runner; 9th September 2021 at 19:03.

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    I downloaded the photos in case the listing is removed and serves as a reference on here. This is what was listed.





    This is what a correct 1981 Fatboy case back should look like:


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    That does not look good with closer inspection but it might pass at a glance, scary

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    Wow, I had no idea these things got faked! Hard to imagine the financial angle being worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brauner Hund View Post
    Wow, I had no idea these things got faked! Hard to imagine the financial angle being worthwhile.
    A genuine 1981 Fatboy is a four figure watch, so it might be worth the effort. Why invent a NSN though with a country code that doesnít exist, that has to be bonkers. Why not get some images of a genuine watch and just copy it.

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    Sadly the fakes are getting better and will continue to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    Why invent a NSN though with a country code that doesn’t exist, that has to be bonkers. Why not get some images of a genuine watch and just copy it.
    It is hard to understand. Surely it would have been easier to just copy an existing one unless the logic is that this will be a "rare" and hence more expensive example.
    Last edited by gerrudd; 13th September 2021 at 17:08.

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    The earlier Hamilton W10 / 6BBs have been faked for a while.
    The key is also the NSN and issue date on them - the hands are usually wrong as well.
    I guess if the sale price is higher than the cost of manufacturing itís worth while.

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    I must admit, I’ve taken a fresh look at the dial and hands on the fake and they are wrong. Here is a genuine 1980 GS watch (Fatboy).



    Imagine taking a ruler and drawing a line under the bottom of the 11 and 1 numbers and that would be the exact top of the CWC logo. Look at the positioning of the logo on the fake, it is higher.



    Also the minute and second hand are not long enough, they only just reach the inside of the minute track instead of the outside of it like on the original. The crown doesn’t look right either.

    All in all, it’s a bit of a dogs dinner, but at least we got it pulled from e-bay.
    Last edited by Wallasey Runner; 13th September 2021 at 18:50.

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