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    Japan self-guided tour - recommendations?

    I'm looking to take the wife to Japan for a significant birthday later in the year. Always fancied it but never been. Secret Escapes often have 12, 14, 16-night self-guided tours advertised and we'd probably be looking to do something along similar lines but on our own terms, so keen to hear any suggestions / must-sees / general tips, etc.

    We're looking at late Oct / early Nov. Would like to go for longer, but with other commitments this year we'll realistically only be able to manage 2 weeks or thereabouts.

    No fixed idea of itinerary yet, so open to all suggestions.
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    Visited Tokyo and Kyoto just before Covid.
    It was a bit of a whistle stop tour, but both were excellent. We organised a private guide for a day in each place and saw a lot of things we otherwise wouldn’t have done (Tokyo fish market was a highlight!).
    Given I would assume Tokyo is a given, I would seriously recommend the bullet train to Tokyo, great views of Fuji on the way down and Kyoto is just fantastic, overflowing with shrines to visit and the old style buildings (there are no high rises really) is spectacular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeBird View Post
    Visited Tokyo and Kyoto just before Covid.
    It was a bit of a whistle stop tour, but both were excellent. We organised a private guide for a day in each place and saw a lot of things we otherwise wouldn’t have done (Tokyo fish market was a highlight!).
    Given I would assume Tokyo is a given, I would seriously recommend the bullet train to Tokyo, great views of Fuji on the way down and Kyoto is just fantastic, overflowing with shrines to visit and the old style buildings (there are no high rises really) is spectacular.
    Thanks yes, Tokyo and probably Kyoto are givens. Outside of that though, we’re happy to go off-piste a bit rather than automatically following a prescribed tourist route. I’d be interested in seeing the fishmarket so glad to hear you enjoyed it. Been on my radar since first seeing Jiro Dreams of Sushi.

    When you say the bullet train to Tokyo, did you not fly in to Tokyo then?

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    I know there are a couple of sizable threads on Japanese holidays here. A search for appropriate words like Kyoto, Pachinko, Kodo, etc would probably locate them

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    I know there are a couple of sizable threads on Japanese holidays here. A search for appropriate words like Kyoto, Pachinko, Kodo, etc would probably locate them
    Oh! Searched for Japan and nothing jumped out.

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    This was our trip a few years ago.

    It was a 3 week trip. Jet lag was a pain.

    Travel round on the train. It’s superb.

    There is so much to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    This was our trip a few years ago.

    It was a 3 week trip. Jet lag was a pain.

    Travel round on the train. It’s superb.

    There is so much to see.

    I lived fairly close to Nikko for a couple of years and it’s a very good option for seeing some Japanese countryside and some hiking if that’s your thing. I guess it’d be quickest with a Shinkansen to Utsunomiya then local train from there. It might be a good chance to stay a night or two in a rural Ryokan, and I’m sure there are great ones in the area. Otherwise the lakes around Fuji are slightly more accessible from Tokyo and also have excellent Ryokan.

    Tsukiji fish market used to be an absolute must, and I assume still is even though it’s relocated. There’s an excellent book called “Tsukuji: The fish market at the center of the world” if you want to do some pre-trip reading.
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    That's a very generous birthday present

    I live here, but find these kind of questions quite difficult to answer without knowing the person quite well. One person's dream week exploring the islands and mountains might be another's painful escapade.

    It's a vast country and while there is something of a well-worn tourist loop from Tokyo -> Kyoto and back, you could spend 2 weeks just in inner Tokyo and not repeat yourself. So it kind of "depends". By all means float some ideas or interests and I can give an inexpert view.

    Another idea, and don't dismiss it too quickly, is to chat to AI. I used this myself for a trip within Japan earlier this year. It was phenomenal (the AI advice), giving suggested train times, hotels and excursions.

    I just ran a generic "Give some suggestions for a tour of Japan..." into ChatGPT. You could do the same, and then respond back with whatever your thoughts are ("Can you suggest hotels in this price range [x]?", "What about some more cultural sights?")...

    There's a comment in the suggestion below about considering the JRPass, and this is good advice IF you are planning to take the train around the country. Be careful of spending endless hours on trains though - it's easy to do. Despite the trains being fast, quiet, clean and punctual, you may not want your Japan trip to be mainly spent on internal transport. Journey times can add up, it would take more than 15 hours to get from Sapporo (in the north) to Hiroshima (not even close to the southernmost area) on the Shinkansen for example.

    Here's the initial output, unedited, but just try it yourself is my recommendation. ChatGPT.com or duck.ai (more private):

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    That sounds like an amazing trip! Late October to early November is one of the *best* times to visit Japan — you’ll catch the stunning autumn foliage, comfortable weather, and a variety of cultural events. Since you’ll be arriving in Tokyo and want to see a mix of Japanese life and culture, here's a suggested **10–14 day itinerary** that balances tradition, modernity, nature, and ease of travel for non-Japanese speakers.

    **Japan Tour Itinerary: Late October to Early November

    📍Day 1–3: Tokyo – The Modern Metropolis
    **Why**: Dive into Japan's urban energy, pop culture, and contrast of tradition and modernity.

    - **Highlights**:
    - Shibuya Crossing, Harajuku (trendy youth culture, Meiji Shrine)
    - Asakusa (Senso-ji Temple, Nakamise Street)
    - TeamLab Planets (digital art museum)
    - Day trip: Nikko or Kamakura (temples, shrines, autumn leaves)

    **Tips**:
    - Stay near Shinjuku or Tokyo Station for ease of transport.
    - Get a Suica/PASMO IC card for easy travel on trains/subways.
    - Most signage and transit info is in English.

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    📍Day 4–5: Hakone – Nature and Hot Springs
    **Why**: Great intro to Japanese countryside, hot springs, and views of Mt. Fuji.

    - **Highlights**:
    - Hakone Open-Air Museum
    - Lake Ashi cruise + Hakone Ropeway
    - Traditional ryokan stay with onsen (hot spring) and kaiseki dinner

    **Tips**:
    - Use the Hakone Free Pass (includes transport and attractions)
    - Many ryokans are foreigner-friendly and have English support.

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    📍Day 6–8: Kyoto – The Cultural Heart
    **Why**: See historic temples, shrines, and geisha districts.

    - **Highlights**:
    - Fushimi Inari Shrine (torii gates), Arashiyama Bamboo Grove
    - Kinkaku-ji (Golden Pavilion), Gion (geisha district)
    - Nishiki Market for street food

    **Tips**:
    - Easy bullet train ride (Shinkansen) from Odawara (Hakone) or Tokyo.
    - Stay near Gion or Kyoto Station.

    ---

    📍Day 9–10: Nara (Day Trip) + Osaka – Food & Fun
    **Why**: Nara for tradition and deer, Osaka for casual vibes and street food.

    - **Nara (Day Trip from Kyoto)**:
    - Todai-ji Temple, Nara Deer Park

    - **Osaka**:
    - Dotonbori (neon lights and street food!)
    - Osaka Castle
    - Kuromon Ichiba Market

    **Tips**:
    - Stay in Namba or Umeda in Osaka.
    - Try takoyaki, okonomiyaki, and kushikatsu.

    ---

    📍Day 11–13: Hiroshima & Miyajima
    **Why**: Powerful history and scenic beauty.

    - **Hiroshima**:
    - Peace Memorial Park & Museum
    - Okonomiyaki (Hiroshima-style)

    - **Miyajima Island**:
    - Itsukushima Shrine (floating torii gate)
    - Mt. Misen hike or ropeway

    **Tips**:
    - Easy train/ferry combo. Stay one night on Miyajima if you want a quiet island evening.

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    📍**Day 14: Back to Tokyo / Departure
    - Use the Shinkansen from Hiroshima to Tokyo (~4.5 hours) or fly from Hiroshima if short on time.
    - Do last-minute shopping in Ginza or Shibuya, or relax in a café before your flight.

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    ✈️ **General Travel Tips for Japan
    - **JR Pass**: Consider the 7- or 14-day Japan Rail Pass (start using it after Tokyo if staying there longer).
    - **Luggage Forwarding**: Use "Takkyubin" services to send your bags ahead—very foreigner-friendly and helpful.
    - **Language**: Many signs and menus have English; use Google Translate app + offline maps.
    - **Connectivity**: Rent a pocket Wi-Fi or get a Japanese SIM card.

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    Would you like a version of this itinerary with budget/luxury options, festival info during that time, or off-the-beaten-path additions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    This was our trip a few years ago.

    It was a 3 week trip. Jet lag was a pain.

    Travel round on the train. It’s superb.

    There is so much to see.


    Thanks for posting this, really useful!



    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyo Tokei View Post
    That's a very generous birthday present

    I live here, but find these kind of questions quite difficult to answer without knowing the person quite well. One person's dream week exploring the islands and mountains might be another's painful escapade.

    It's a vast country and while there is something of a well-worn tourist loop from Tokyo -> Kyoto and back, you could spend 2 weeks just in inner Tokyo and not repeat yourself. So it kind of "depends". By all means float some ideas or interests and I can give an inexpert view.

    Another idea, and don't dismiss it too quickly, is to chat to AI. I used this myself for a trip within Japan earlier this year. It was phenomenal (the AI advice), giving suggested train times, hotels and excursions.

    I just ran a generic "Give some suggestions for a tour of Japan..." into ChatGPT. You could do the same, and then respond back with whatever your thoughts are ("Can you suggest hotels in this price range [x]?", "What about some more cultural sights?")...

    There's a comment in the suggestion below about considering the JRPass, and this is good advice IF you are planning to take the train around the country. Be careful of spending endless hours on trains though - it's easy to do. Despite the trains being fast, quiet, clean and punctual, you may not want your Japan trip to be mainly spent on internal transport. Journey times can add up, it would take more than 15 hours to get from Sapporo (in the north) to Hiroshima (not even close to the southernmost area) on the Shinkansen for example.

    Here's the initial output, unedited, but just try it yourself is my recommendation. ChatGPT.com or duck.ai (more private):

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    I was hoping you might see this and comment :))

    Fair point about it depending on our interests. We tend not to do holidays in one locataion and prefer to see different places, but noted regarding travel times. I get bored easier on long journeys while my wife will happily sit with her nose in a book, so will bear that in mind. Her interests would lean more towards the cultural or sitting on a beach reading while I'd be more inclined to get out off the beaten track and up into the mountains somewhere. We both really enjoy food. Sukiyabashi Jiro has been top of my bucket list for years, although having read recent reviews I think that ship has sailed already, sadly.

    We're both quite happy mixing it up in terms of accommodation, and I'd be keen to know where I'd likely get biggest bang for my buck in terms of luxury accommodation for a few nights of the trip. I'm guessing there are no bargains to be had in Tokyo, and the money may be more wisely spend elsewhere, but where... We're both quite comfortable staying in the most basic budget places too, and as I say we tend to mix it up when travelling.

    If that's enough to be going with I'd love to hear any suggestions :)

    it hadn't crossed my mind to use AI - will also give that a go!

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    To give you an idea of the AI, I asked it (based on your input above) for "quirky luxury hotels en-route"...

    Absolutely! Japan excels at blending quirkiness with top-tier hospitality. Here are some quirky luxury hotels along your suggested route that offer something a little different — whether it’s futuristic tech, art, or traditional elegance with a twist:

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    🏙️ **Tokyo**
    **📍 Hotel Gajoen Tokyo (Meguro)**
    - **Vibe**: Lavish, art-filled, and a little surreal — it's like sleeping inside a museum.
    - **Quirk**: Known as the “Palace of the Dragon God,” it’s full of intricate woodwork and rooms inspired by traditional Japanese art.
    - **Bonus**: A suite here often comes with a private hinoki (cedar) tub.

    **📍 Trunk Hotel (Shibuya)**
    - **Vibe**: Boutique meets cool minimalism. A blend of social responsibility and sleek design.
    - **Quirk**: Each room is uniquely decorated with upcycled materials. Their bar and restaurant scene is very hip.

    ---

    🌋 **Hakone**
    **📍 Hakone Gora Byakudan**
    - **Vibe**: Modern ryokan with a private onsen in every room.
    - **Quirk**: The scent of sandalwood is used throughout the ryokan to create a meditative, calming atmosphere. Stunning seasonal views.
    - **Luxury Perk**: Kaiseki meals served in-room, with a fine balance of tradition and creativity.

    **📍 Hakone Kowakien Ten-yu**
    - **Vibe**: Contemporary-meets-nature.
    - **Quirk**: Infinity-style outdoor onsen baths with views of the mountains — seriously feels like bathing in the clouds.
    - **Luxury Perk**: Rooms with both open-air baths and views of Mount Fuji (weather permitting).

    ---

    🏯 **Kyoto**
    **📍 Hotel Kanra Kyoto**
    - **Vibe**: Modern Japanese design with artisan details and a peaceful vibe.
    - **Quirk**: Rooms feature big soaking tubs made of cypress wood, tatami floors, and gorgeous tea sets — like a Zen Airbnb with concierge service.

    **📍 ENSO ANGO**
    - **Vibe**: A “dispersed” hotel — rooms, lounges, and facilities are in separate buildings.
    - **Quirk**: The concept makes your whole walk through the neighborhood part of the hotel experience. Also offers guest activities like meditation or guided walks.

    ---

    🍜 **Osaka**
    **📍 W Osaka**
    - **Vibe**: Bold, high-energy, and ultra-modern.
    - **Quirk**: Designed by Tadao Ando with wild neon interiors and futuristic suites. The elevators alone are a mini party.
    - **Luxury Perk**: Rooftop pool, club vibes, and incredible city views.

    ---

    🕊️ **Hiroshima / Miyajima**
    **📍 Kurayado Iroha (Miyajima Island)**
    - **Vibe**: A tranquil, design-focused ryokan right on the water.
    - **Quirk**: Rooftop open-air baths with a front-row seat to the floating torii gate at high tide.
    - **Luxury Perk**: Multicourse seasonal dinners and in-room yukata service — plus it's whisper-quiet at night when tourists leave.

    📍 Sekitei (near Hiroshima)**
    - **Vibe**: Secret garden retreat.
    - **Quirk**: Each suite is a standalone traditional house set in a stunning landscaped garden. Feels like a film set from an Edo-period drama.

    ---

    Would you like this mapped out with price ranges or links to booking pages? Or are you into more boutique/artsy spots than polished luxury?
    I asked it for some boutique options:

    Perfect — Japan’s boutique hotel scene is *seriously* next level, especially if you’re into thoughtful design, local flair, and places with a story. Here’s a curated list of **quirky boutique hotels** along your route that deliver charm, creativity, and luxury without the cookie-cutter feel:

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    🏙️ **Tokyo – Boutique Chic & Unexpected**
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    **📍CLASKA (Meguro)**
    - **Vibe**: Retro-hip, minimalist with character.
    - **Quirk**: Was a 1960s business hotel, now reimagined with artist-designed rooms and a gallery space.
    - **Note**: This hotel had temporarily closed for renovations — double check their reopening status (worth it if they’re back!).

    **📍Hotel K5 (Nihonbashi)**
    - **Vibe**: Scandinavian-Japanese fusion in a historic bank building.
    - **Quirk**: Every room has its own mini library, a plant jungle, and custom incense.
    - **Bonus**: Houses a craft cocktail bar, natural wine bar, and a Brooklyn-style café.

    **📍Trunk House (Kagurazaka)**
    - **Vibe**: Exclusive stay – there’s only **one room**.
    - **Quirk**: Private karaoke disco room, curated art, hidden in a back alley of a geisha district.
    - **Luxury Level**: It’s a high-end *experience* as much as a stay.

    ---

    🌿 **Hakone – Boutique with Nature Feels**
    ---

    **📍Kinnotake Tonosawa**
    - **Vibe**: Sleek, adults-only ryokan with all-suite rooms.
    - **Quirk**: Deep hinoki tubs, moody lighting, bamboo forest surrounds.
    - **Bonus**: They lean into romantic and stylish — almost like a spa retreat for design nerds.

    **📍Yutowa Hakone**
    - **Vibe**: Casual luxury with art and social spaces.
    - **Quirk**: Modern hotel rooms *and* “condo-style” suites — plus a communal lounge with books, coffee, and foot baths.

    ---

    🏯 **Kyoto – Tradition with a Twist**
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    **📍Kyoto Machiya Fukune**
    - **Vibe**: Restored traditional townhouse (machiya) in central Kyoto.
    - **Quirk**: Rooms have private gardens and hinoki baths; each is unique, some with kimono displays or tea rooms.
    - **Feels Like**: Stepping into your own slice of old Kyoto.

    **📍Mume (Gion)**
    - **Vibe**: Intimate and incredibly warm — only 7 rooms.
    - **Quirk**: Each room is themed (Wind, Flower, Moon, Butterfly). Decor is elegant and slightly whimsical.
    - **Bonus**: The owner is known for personalized hospitality and insider recommendations.

    **📍BnA Alter Museum**
    - **Vibe**: Urban art hotel where each room is a full-blown art installation by Japanese artists.
    - **Quirk**: Sleep inside a modern art piece. The hotel doubles as a gallery and creative space.
    - **Best For**: Travelers who want something edgy and immersive.

    ---

    🍜 **Osaka – Bold Boutique Energy**
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    **📍Hotel Noum (Tenma area)**
    - **Vibe**: Clean, Scandi-Japanese aesthetic on the river.
    - **Quirk**: All-day café, local art and zines, and super cozy rooms with calming colors.
    - **Great For**: A calm base in a city that’s famously chaotic.

    **📍Hotel Public Jam (Shinsaibashi)**
    - **Vibe**: Love hotel meets boutique kitsch.
    - **Quirk**: Each room has a theme (think disco balls, LED lights, romantic tubs).
    - **For the Bold**: Definitely playful and slightly cheeky.

    ---

    🌊 **Miyajima / Hiroshima – Quiet Cool**
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    **📍KIRO Hiroshima by The Share Hotels**
    - **Vibe**: Design-driven with a youthful energy.
    - **Quirk**: Industrial-chic meets Japanese woodwork. In-house bar/café and local collab art.
    - **Great For**: Travelers who like a social, curated experience.

    **📍Miyajima Guest House Mikuniya (Boutique Ryokan)**
    - **Vibe**: A blend of inn and art space.
    - **Quirk**: The owners are artists, and you’ll find handmade touches everywhere — from ceramics to little zen details.
    - **Feels Like**: Staying in a creative friend’s beautiful countryside home.

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    Would you like a map view or Google-friendly version of this route with hotels and attractions plotted? I can also suggest boutique-style cafés, bookstores, and concept stores along the way if you like that vibe.
    If I switch off the AI and use my own brain for a moment, taking into account your interest in hiking and good food, I can recommend a day trip from Tokyo to Mount Takao, followed by dinner at Ukai Toriyama. The good thing about this is that Takao can be reached easily by train from Shinjuku, and can be summited on foot (it's only about 600m high) or by chairlift or funicular railway, or a combination. Many ride up, hike down. So it suits all sorts of abilities. Then, when you get back to the base of Mt Takao, a free shuttle bus from Ukai Toriyama will pick you up and take you the short ride to their rather special establishment, where I think you cannot go wrong with the food. Then the buss will take you back to the station, and you can travel back to Tokyo (it takes about an hour) hopefully very satisfied.

    I think sitting on a beach will be challenge (it will probably be quite cold) but there are many great hikes in Japan, and your visit is during perfect hiking season. I like this site for checking options: https://ridgelineimages.com/category/hiking/.

    Hope that helps. Give the AI a go though, it's really quite good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HookedSeven View Post
    I lived fairly close to Nikko for a couple of years and it’s a very good option for seeing some Japanese countryside and some hiking if that’s your thing. I guess it’d be quickest with a Shinkansen to Utsunomiya then local train from there. It might be a good chance to stay a night or two in a rural Ryokan, and I’m sure there are great ones in the area. Otherwise the lakes around Fuji are slightly more accessible from Tokyo and also have excellent Ryokan.

    Tsukiji fish market used to be an absolute must, and I assume still is even though it’s relocated. There’s an excellent book called “Tsukuji: The fish market at the center of the world” if you want to do some pre-trip reading.
    Superb, thanks. Will check that book out too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyo Tokei View Post

    If I switch off the AI and use my own brain for a moment, taking into account your interest in hiking and good food, I can recommend a day trip from Tokyo to Mount Takao, followed by dinner at Ukai Toriyama. The good thing about this is that Takao can be reached easily by train from Shinjuku, and can be summited on foot (it's only about 600m high) or by chairlift or funicular railway, or a combination. Many ride up, hike down. So it suits all sorts of abilities. Then, when you get back to the base of Mt Takao, a free shuttle bus from Ukai Toriyama will pick you up and take you the short ride to their rather special establishment, where I think you cannot go wrong with the food. Then the buss will take you back to the station, and you can travel back to Tokyo (it takes about an hour) hopefully very satisfied.

    I think sitting on a beach will be challenge (it will probably be quite cold) but there are many great hikes in Japan, and your visit is during perfect hiking season. I like this site for checking options: https://ridgelineimages.com/category/hiking/.

    Hope that helps. Give the AI a go though, it's really quite good.
    Thanks, that sounds ideal. 600m is a bit tame for me, but my wife would thank you for that!

    I only mentioned beaches as that would be her thing if she were away on her own. Not something either of us would be wanting from this trip though.

    Thanks again

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    We had a great time but had the benefit of having a Japanese friend with us some of the time to show us around which allowed us to perhaps do things that may have been difficult on our own due to the language barrier.

    We stayed in some remote Ryokans and without them I think we’d have struggled to understand the process of dinner etc.

    We also got shown how the onsens worked … but I guess we could have fumbled through if we had to.

    English speaking outside of the main cities is limited.

    That said the Japanese are really helpful and if you stand around looking confused it won’t be long before someone helps you.

    The feeling of being safe even when you had no idea where you were was great. Plus no litter anywhere was also a good thing to see.

    We visited the snow monkeys which was worth the trip.

    We did a lot of walking and basically looking around.

    We did most of TTs suggested agenda and some extras.

    Loved it and would like to visit again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcleminson View Post
    Thanks yes, Tokyo and probably Kyoto are givens. Outside of that though, we’re happy to go off-piste a bit rather than automatically following a prescribed tourist route. I’d be interested in seeing the fishmarket so glad to hear you enjoyed it. Been on my radar since first seeing Jiro Dreams of Sushi.

    When you say the bullet train to Tokyo, did you not fly in to Tokyo then?
    Sorry I meant bullet train from Tokyo to Kyoto; it was a typo.
    Just went back through my photos (did a lot more than I remembered!).
    In Tokyo did the guided tour as I mentioned including plenty of shrines & temples, the Imperial Palace, the Kimpton hotel in Shinjuku for a few sunset cocktails, we did the karting (Mario Kart, but not called that!) on the streets, which was fantastic! A proper Karaoke was good fun, once beer-fuelled for me anyway…
    Into Kyoto, again the tour was excellent - the Golden Temple was a particular highlight - even on an overcast day it was spectacular. Bamboo Forest was mega (inspired a GS purchase!) and after that a wander through Kyoto for the buildings was just fantastic. As I mentioned, really felt like a throwback to a bygone era.

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    If you’re into drinking/nightlife, Osaka must not be missed.

    We did 5 nights on the beach in Okinawa which was cool but appreciate most people see it as a pure city-break type holiday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    We had a great time but had the benefit of having a Japanese friend with us some of the time to show us around which allowed us to perhaps do things that may have been difficult on our own due to the language barrier.

    We stayed in some remote Ryokans and without them I think we’d have struggled to understand the process of dinner etc.

    We also got shown how the onsens worked … but I guess we could have fumbled through if we had to.

    English speaking outside of the main cities is limited.

    That said the Japanese are really helpful and if you stand around looking confused it won’t be long before someone helps you.

    The feeling of being safe even when you had no idea where you were was great. Plus no litter anywhere was also a good thing to see.

    We visited the snow monkeys which was worth the trip.

    We did a lot of walking and basically looking around.

    We did most of TTs suggested agenda and some extras.

    Loved it and would like to visit again.

    Snow Monkeys sounds fab. Will look into that further.


    Quote Originally Posted by LukeBird View Post
    Sorry I meant bullet train from Tokyo to Kyoto; it was a typo.
    Just went back through my photos (did a lot more than I remembered!).
    In Tokyo did the guided tour as I mentioned including plenty of shrines & temples, the Imperial Palace, the Kimpton hotel in Shinjuku for a few sunset cocktails, we did the karting (Mario Kart, but not called that!) on the streets, which was fantastic! A proper Karaoke was good fun, once beer-fuelled for me anyway…
    Into Kyoto, again the tour was excellent - the Golden Temple was a particular highlight - even on an overcast day it was spectacular. Bamboo Forest was mega (inspired a GS purchase!) and after that a wander through Kyoto for the buildings was just fantastic. As I mentioned, really felt like a throwback to a bygone era.
    Sounds amazing. Getting slightly excited at the thought of it all now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chinese_Alan View Post
    If you’re into drinking/nightlife, Osaka must not be missed.

    We did 5 nights on the beach in Okinawa which was cool but appreciate most people see it as a pure city-break type holiday.
    A bit old for clubbing now, but a decent cocktail or two appeals..
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcleminson View Post
    Snow Monkeys sounds fab. Will look into that further.
    https://www.japan.travel/en/itinerar...ngs-in-nagano/

    It wasn't winter when we visited but still a good day out ...

    There are so many fascinating things to see and visit what ever you decide upon will be great ...

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    We went as a retirement special trip, and loved the whole experience.

    A couple of areas I couldn't see in the above comments, which we found fascinating were Nara park (the deer are cute as is the Temple), Hiroshima Peace Museum and you must have a ride on the Bullet Train - best holiday yet. (Also found some lovely watch shops)

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    https://www.japan-guide.com/railpass/
    Calculates whether a rail pass (local or National) will be worthwhile for your planned itinerary. They’ve recently increased the prices of the National passes, but a range of local ones are available.

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    I’ve done two trips and loved it both times. Kyoto esp is beautiful.

    My main tips:
    - koyasan - I’m not religious at all but the village and the temples/cemetery feels the fifteen hundred years old it is in a way you can’t explain.
    - fushima inori shrine, the place in Kyoto with all the tori gates, feels busy at the bottom but most of the tourists don’t bother going more than a few hundred metres so persevere and it’s worth it
    - it’s super cheap (like fifteen gbp) & easy to send your suitcase onto a future hotel, so we had main stops in the big cities but with the rail pass did several one night stays in between; we had a bigger and smaller case then sent the bigger case onto the next big city hotel and just hopped around with the smaller case for a few nights, made travel/life so much easier
    - I loved eating at the lost in translation park Hyatt. But any tall building overlooking Tokyo at night is just amazing.
    - it’s quite specific times of the year but going to a sumo tournament is brilliant
    - the Hiroshima memorial museum is harrowing but incredible. And you can stay in deer island nearby to raise the spirits after.



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    Quote Originally Posted by drmarkf View Post
    https://www.japan-guide.com/railpass/
    Calculates whether a rail pass (local or National) will be worthwhile for your planned itinerary. They’ve recently increased the prices of the National passes, but a range of local ones are available.
    Thanks, this is useful. I'd just assumed we'd need the national / bullet train pass, but will use this once we've pieced our itinerary together.




    Quote Originally Posted by greenandblack View Post
    I’ve done two trips and loved it both times. Kyoto esp is beautiful.

    My main tips:
    - koyasan - I’m not religious at all but the village and the temples/cemetery feels the fifteen hundred years old it is in a way you can’t explain.
    - fushima inori shrine, the place in Kyoto with all the tori gates, feels busy at the bottom but most of the tourists don’t bother going more than a few hundred metres so persevere and it’s worth it
    - it’s super cheap (like fifteen gbp) & easy to send your suitcase onto a future hotel, so we had main stops in the big cities but with the rail pass did several one night stays in between; we had a bigger and smaller case then sent the bigger case onto the next big city hotel and just hopped around with the smaller case for a few nights, made travel/life so much easier
    - I loved eating at the lost in translation park Hyatt. But any tall building overlooking Tokyo at night is just amazing.
    - it’s quite specific times of the year but going to a sumo tournament is brilliant
    - the Hiroshima memorial museum is harrowing but incredible. And you can stay in deer island nearby to raise the spirits after.



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    We were literally mulling whether to take cases or rucksacks yesterday so this is really handy to know. Are there companies that do this then? Who did you use?

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    The Man in Seat 61 is a fantastic resource for train travel worldwide, including in Japan: https://www.seat61.com/Japan.htm
    Lots of useful background.

    greenandblack has given you some excellent detailed information, most of which we have followed during our various visits. I can’t remember which luggage transfer company we used, but it was one recommended by several of the hotels at which we were staying: we thought it was a good idea to choose an organisation familiar with our hotels. We had an AirTag in each bag, and it was interesting and reassuring to see our big bag travelling to our hotel, normally arriving before we did.
    Incidentally, some of the older shinkansen on certain routes have limited luggage space aboard, and you have to book space there in advance, with your ticket. Shipping large luggage separately makes sense especially on those journeys.

    Finally, a quick plug for Google Translate with the ‘Camera’ option for reading character-only restaurant menus. It’s a complete game changer: sometimes the translations you see hovering over the menu are a bit approximate (or laughable), but it means you’re not restricted to touristy places with bilingual or English menus. It doesn’t use much data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcleminson;[emoji6[emoji640
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    We were literally mulling whether to take cases or rucksacks yesterday so this is really handy to know. Are there companies that do this then? Who did you use?
    If your hotel doesn’t offer it I would ask them if there’s a local convenience store that does - it does feel a bit odd (other than Japan feeling the safest place in the world) just giving your bag to the newsagent but it works!

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    I've just come back from Japan. My only recommendation is to not travel there with young children :)
    In all seriousness, we had a great time but taking a crowded metro that silently enforces the no talking rule, all the walking, and finding places to eat that are big enough to accommodate a family of 4 is exhausting. I will be going back in October for a week by myself.
    Also, if you intend to drive make sure you get an international driving license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBanks View Post
    I've just come back from Japan. My only recommendation is to not travel there with young children :)
    In all seriousness, we had a great time but taking a crowded metro that silently enforces the no talking rule, all the walking, and finding places to eat that are big enough to accommodate a family of 4 is exhausting. I will be going back in October for a week by myself.
    Also, if you intend to drive make sure you get an international driving license.
    Interesting, I find it a very manageable and welcoming place with young children and have been many times with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBanks View Post
    I've just come back from Japan. My only recommendation is to not travel there with young children :)
    In all seriousness, we had a great time but taking a crowded metro that silently enforces the no talking rule, all the walking, and finding places to eat that are big enough to accommodate a family of 4 is exhausting. I will be going back in October for a week by myself.
    Also, if you intend to drive make sure you get an international driving license.
    Thanks, looks like you need the international driving licence for the tokyo street go-carting which we may do, so will sort this out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcleminson View Post
    Thanks, looks like you need the international driving licence for the tokyo street go-carting which we may do, so will sort this out.
    Sorry totally forgot to mention that. Easily done at the Post Office though, it was about £15 or so.

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    I have an old paperback of the late Clive James' "Flying Visits" where he reports on his travels to various countries.

    His two postcards from Japan, written in 1978 for the Observer, remain excellent reading. And still relevant, capturing Japan with an insight that many modern travellers miss.

    I believe the book is out of print, but I am glad that they have been preserved online:

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/japan1.htm
    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/japan2.htm

    The Postcards were made into a TV series too, which you can find on Youtube. It's dated less well, but might give some travel ideas.

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    James May's visit to Japan on Amazon is worth watching as well.

    There are also videos on taking a night train. A simple cabin on a train looks like flying first class with a posh airline!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    James May's visit to Japan on Amazon is worth watching as well.

    There are also videos on taking a night train. A simple cabin on a train looks like flying first class with a posh airline!

    I like the idea of internal travel not eating into holiday time..

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    Some pictures of our trip with a friend of ours who is Japanese. They arranged the itinerary and visits - superb.

    https://designmjc.smugmug.com/frame/...mp;clickable=1

    Itinery below - best viewed on computer (not phone) do scroll to the right.


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    Mr Tadashi
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    Anglo Fukuoka
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    Will join us for breakfast
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    Relax and enjoy
    Free day Hotel has a tour desk
    24hourbooking if you are interested
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    Cherry Blossom Trip to Japan in 2018
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    26th March 2018 Monday
    Flights details:
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    27th March 2018Tuesday
    Sachiko will arrange Yasaka shuttle buses to take us to ANA Crowne Plaza Hotel and Rihga Hotel in Kyoto.
    http://www.yasaka.jp/english/

    We will stay in the two hotels on 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th March 2018. http://www.anacpkyoto.com/



    The above picture is Ana Crowne Plaza, Kyoto (No breakfast included in the price).


    The picture below is Rihga Hotel Kyoto (No breakfast included in the price).

    +81 753411121
    1 Taimatsu-cho, Shiokoji-sagaru, Higashi Horikawa-dori, Shimogyo-ku,Kyoto 600-8237 Japan
    http://www.rihgaroyalkyoto.com/

    28th March 2018 Wednesday
    To meet at 9.15am at Kyoto Station, hotel bus stop.

    We catch a bus no 5 from bus terminal A1 in front of the Kyoto station to Shugakuin Imperial Villa. The bus journey is about 20 minutes and the tour guide starts from 11am for 80 minutes.


    Shugakuin Imperial Villa

    We go back to Kyoto station Porta dining streets for lunch. In the afternoon, I will take Angela, Geoffrey, John, Marge, Antoinette, Neil, Tamar and Martyn to the entrance of Nijyo Castle, while they are touring the Nijo castle, I will take xxx to Haruno Shrine as they have already visited the Nijyo castle last year. When you finish touring in Nijyo castle, please walk back to the Anna Crowne Plaza Hotel right opposite to Nijyo castle. Anna Crowne Plaza serves a wonderful afternoon tea. Meeting time to be confirmed later.

    Nijyo Castle


    29th March 2018 Thursday

    We meet at Kyoto station, hotel bus stop at 9.30am. the guided tour is from 11:00am at Sento, Imperial Villa.

    Kyoto Imperial Palace Park (Kyoto Gyoen)
    If you continue straight into the park, you will see a fantastic grove of cherry trees on your left (at the north end of the park, just past the playground). The huge shidare-zakura (weeping cherry trees) here are some of the best in the entire city.
    Kyoto Nishijin Textile Centre
    kimono fashion show and silk weaving workshop.
    Japan, 〒602-8216 Kyoto Prefecture, Kyoto, Kamigyo Ward, Tatemonzencho, 414



    30th March 2018 Thursday

    We meet at Kyoto station, hotel bus stop at 9:15am. We catch bus no. 50 to “Ritsumeikan daigaku-mae” stop taking 30 minutes and walk for 7 minutes.

    Ryoanji Temple is the most famous for Karesansui garden.
    After Ryoanji, we catch taxies to the private Keifuku Randen Kitano Line Ryoanji mae station. From this train we will be over 70 cherry blossom trees between Utano and Narutake station. Change at Katabiranotsuji for Arashiyama.



    We walk from the station to our restaurant at Shouraian looking over Katsura river (Tel 075-861-0123 booking required). We walk through bamboo grove and O-kouchi garden. We will get on a scenic train from Torokko Arashiyama to Kameoka then back to Kyoto.


    Confortable shoes for quite a lot of walking.




    31st March 2018 Friday

    We will buy the fastest Nozomi bullet train tickets (reserved seats) from Kyoto to Hakata in advance.
    We will check out of ANA Crowne Plaza, Kyoto and Rihga Hotel Kyoto. We will meet at the hotel bus stop in front of Kyoto station at 8.30 am then we enter the bullet train entrance together with Japanese bento. The bullet train we are aiming for is 9.50am (reserved seats) to Hakata. (arri. Hakata at 12.33pm).

    Anna Crown Plaza Fukuoka (No breakfast included)

    In the afternoon, we will visit the ruin of Fukuoka castle and Japanese Garden after checking in the hotel.



    Fukuoka Castle
    Fukuoka Castle Japanese garden
    1st April 2018
    Sunday Punting by a guide in Yanagawa 70 min.



    We will go to Yanagawa for Tachibana tei (Ohana) using a Nishitetsu Omuta private line (Many fast trains to Yanagawa - 40minutes) . I am hoping to book Yuttari Yanagawa tickets (return trains, lunch, punting and a hot spring). Please click the link below for the details.
    http://www.yanagawakk.co.jp/index_e.html

    Yanagawa
    Tachibana tei (Ohana) Yanagawa ( Yana river) surrounding the famous local Clan, Tachibana estate.


    2nd April 2018 Monday

    Daimaru Besso lunch and hot spring if you want to try. 11.30am -14.00pm Enjoy this oldest traditional hot sprint inn. It is so authentic and private. 5,500 yen per person for lunch and a dip in hot spring. After lunch, we will visit Dazaifu shrine and Kyushu National Museum.

    Lunch to be booked by xxx
    Daimaru Besso (lunch)

    http://www.japanican.com/en/hotel/detail/8117004/
    Address : 1-20-1 Yumachi Chikushino-shi Fukuoka Japan
    Phone : +81-92-924-3939
    Fax : +81-92-924-4126
    E-mail : info@daimarubesso.com


    Famous street leading to Dazaifu shrine.
    Umegae mochi sweet is a must.


    Dazaifu Tenmangu Shrine


    Dazaifu Int’l museum
    http://www.kyuhaku.com/
    3rd April 2018
    Check out Anna Crowne Plaza Fukuoka at 8.30am.
    We catch a Kamome train at 9:56 am to Nagasaki (arri. at 11.49am).
    We will check into Anna Crowne Plaza, Nagasaki (Breakfast included).
    Lunch at the hotel Junkei or Pave.

    PM
    We will visit, Atomic Museum, Nagasaki Peace Memorial Park and the History museum for 26 martyrs next to the park.


    Nagasaki Peace memorial statute

    History museum 26 martyrs


    4th April 2018 Wednesday

    The famous Nagasaki Don Don Zaka (slope).


    Glover House

    A view from Glover House

    5th April 2018 Thursday

    Day trip to Shimabara castle http://shimabarajou.com/

    Hotel lobby at 8.30am.


    Shimabara Castle (島原城, Shimabarajō), is a white walled castle built during the early Edo Period as the seat of the local feudal lord. The castle was the extravagant centre piece of the feudal domain and was far larger than those found in domains of similar status. The heavy taxation that was imposed to pay for its construction, together with the religious persecution of local Christians, were major factors that led up to the Shimabara Rebellion (1637-1638), a significant peasant uprising. Additional small museums around the castle grounds include a Folk Museum with items from daily life from the 20th century, the Sightseeing Revival Hall with a small exhibition on the 1990-1995 eruption of Mount Unzen, and the west turret with a dusty display of kokeshi dolls and tenugui (traditional hand towels) with prints of famous Japanese castles.

    Teppo-machi Samurai District
    The castle used to be surrounded by the residential districts of the samurai serving the local lord. One of these samurai districts, called Teppo-machi (Gun Town) after the gunmen foot soldiers who resided there, has been preserved with three restored samurai houses that are open to the public. The district lies along a small, atmospheric canal street about a five minute walk from the castle.
    The City of Swimming Carp, a quiet neighborhood lined by narrow canals filled with hundreds of brightly coloured carp (koi), lies south of the castle. The waterways are fed with filtered spring water that passes through Mount Unzen's volcanic layers before bubbling up around the neighbourhood. Along the streets are two preserved, traditional style houses that are open to visitors. One of these, the Shimeiso House, has a beautiful garden and spring-fed pond.

    Shimeiso House


    I am hoping to have a lunch at Nampuro Seikai restaurant Tel 0957 62 5117 Reservation required. TBC

    6thth April 2018 Friday

    We need to meet at the hotel lobby by 9.00am. We catch a taxi to Nagasaki Airport taking 45 minutes (Yen 9,660 - £64 shared by 3 or 4).

    Our flight is 11:45am to Okinawa arriving 13:20 hours. (I would like to check in by 9:45am ). If you are very hungry, we can eat our lunch in a restaurant at the Naha Airport. We catch a limousine bus from the airport to the Renaissance Hotel in Okinawa.


    Renaissance Okinawa Resort


    Hotel in Okinawa includes breakfast.
    7th April 2018 Saturday 8th April 2018 Sunday

    Okinawa trips to be confirmed.

    9th April 2018 Monday
    Relaxing morning at the hotel. We check out at noon and catch an airport limousine bus to Naha Airport(TBC). Lunch at the Airport.
    We will check in at the Naha Airport at 14.35 hours.xxx
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    Some pictures of our trip with a friend of ours who is Japanese. They arranged the itinerary and visits - superb.

    https://designmjc.smugmug.com/frame/...mp;clickable=1

    Itinery below - best viewed on computer (not phone) do scroll to the right.
    Oh my, thanks ever so much. Okinawa too, wow!

    Pretty sure we'll start ou trip in Tokyo, but we've already picked out a few things we definitely want to do in Kyoto, so I'll take a close look at what you did & where you stayed..

    Thanks again

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    Done this 3 times on a budget, 3-5 weeks each.

    If a ones in a lifetime I understand to want to cram as much of the must sees and dos as possible in but I'd recommend getting away from it a few days as well and don't spend to much of it on trains.

    Golden Pavilion is nice, queuing around the gardens not as much.
    There are great places for day-hikes / walks everywhere and well used.
    The sire TT linked to seems great and I saved that if ever back.
    Or if you find yourself on edge of town, find a track upwards.

    There are festival-calendars online where you can see what's on when you are there and where.
    Oct-nov; Kurama fire festival outside of Kyoto should be on I think. Was crowded 20 years ago so I don't dare think now but probably still worth it. You can 'hike' in over the mountain from Kibune, its not far but don't do it in the dark like I did.
    Kitano Tenmangu Shrine (20min by foot from Golden Pavilion) have a flee market every month. On the 25th according to google. Of course a bit angled to tourists but fun to pick some stuff up.

    If you spend a day walking around Arashiyama (bamboo forest etc) you might need a rest. Tenzan no Yu onsen is walkable from Arashiyama but also 2-3 stops on the local train line.
    Sex separated and strict no tattoo. 8 years since I was last but at least then great place to relax and good food afterwards in the restaurant.


    Enjoyed those, thank you.

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