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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    Screwed the country over, screwed his party and screwed the electorate. I wouldn’t trust him to run a stall at the village fete.
    And yet we're supposed to listen to him on this matter that he has no expertise in and did not happen in his constituency. What was it his buddy Gove said about 'experts'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    And yet we're supposed to listen to him on this matter that he has no expertise in and did not happen in his constituency. What was it his buddy Gove said about 'experts'?

    If the hospital was in his constituency - he’d be saying shag-all.

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    Just a reminder to one and all that due to a very tired genius this thread is in the G&D
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Hello

    Yep, very poor form.

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    Lucy Letby

    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    And yet we're supposed to listen to him on this matter that he has no expertise in
    DD went out of his way not to offer any expertise, and he said it himself, he has none.

    DD is irrelevant when it comes to any new evidence. It is the 14 world renown neonatal experts I listen to.

    We live in a world where many folk on the Eleanor Williams CH4 documentary believe she is innocent and that her alleged attackers got away with it. Lives and businesses continue to be ruined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noTAGlove View Post
    DD is irrelevant when it comes to any new evidence. It is the 14 world renown neonatal experts I listen to.
    And I'm sure the CPS could get 14 experts to refute their findings, however they don't get to prosecute in the court of public opinion.

    Absolutely miscarriages of justice can happen, maybe this is one and maybe not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbh View Post
    maybe this is one and maybe not!
    Absolutely. I am not saying for a second there has been a miscarriage of justice.

    Just that everyone deserves to exhaust their right to appeal/review if new evidence is presented and deemed of significance by the CCRC.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noTAGlove View Post
    Absolutely. I am not saying for a second there has been a miscarriage of justice.

    Just that everyone deserves to exhaust their right to appeal/review if new evidence is presented and deemed of significance by the CCRC.

    Nothing more, nothing less.
    And if the CCRC say there's no 'real possibility’ that an appeal court would quash the conviction, that's that?

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    Lucy Letby

    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    And if the CCRC say there's no 'real possibility’ that an appeal court would quash the conviction, that's that?
    As I understand it the CCRC don’t get involved in the likelihood of quashing a conviction. They review any new evidence which could have previously jeopardised a fair trial.

    Who says anything about the sentence being quashed? I believe if the evidence is deemed significant and the court of appeal agrees, LL will be subject to a retrial.
    Last edited by noTAGlove; 5th February 2025 at 13:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Just a reminder to one and all that due to a very tired genius this thread is in the G&D
    Yes, it's easily forgotten.

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    I thought it would be amusing to let AI answer that one:



    PS: I kept the sources as they were.
    Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noTAGlove View Post
    As I understand it the CCRC don’t get involved in the likelihood of quashing a conviction. They review any new evidence which could have previously jeopardised a fair trial.
    That is literally how they are contrained by law. From the 'Powers and Practices' section of their website...

    We look into all cases thoroughly, independently, and objectively but the legal rules that govern the work of the Commission means that we can only refer a case if we find that there is a ’real possibility’ that an appeal court would quash the conviction or, in the case of an appeal against sentence, change the sentence in question.
    (my bold)



    edit: anyway, I'm definitely out of this thread (I know I've said that before) - there is a school of thought that she is basically an attention-seeker and she's getting more of mine than she deserves right now.
    Last edited by MakeColdplayHistory; 5th February 2025 at 13:55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    That is literally how they are contrained by law. From the 'Powers and Practices' section of their website...

    We look into all cases thoroughly, independently, and objectively but the legal rules that govern the work of the Commission means that we can only refer a case if we find that there is a ’real possibility’ that an appeal court would quash the conviction or, in the case of an appeal against sentence, change the sentence in question.
    (my bold)



    edit: anyway, I'm definitely out of this thread (I know I've said that before) - there is a school of thought that she is basically an attention-seeker and she's getting more of mine than she deserves right now.
    The conviction has to be quashed for a retrial to take place. The CPS will decide on a retrial based on the >50% chance of a guilty verdict by a jury when hearing all the evidence, including any new evidence.

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    Hello

    Not sure where you keep getting this 50% chance of conviction from. As it’s wrong. And others have also pointed this out but you don’t seem to want to accept it.

    This is a pointless thread in the wrong area of the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burnside View Post
    Not sure where you keep getting this 50% chance of conviction from. As it’s wrong. And others have also pointed this out but you don’t seem to want to accept it.

    This is a pointless thread in the wrong area of the forum.
    https://www.stuartmillersolicitors.c...each-decision/

    If the prosecutor finds that there is a less than 50% chance of conviction, the charging decision must be negative. This is a lower test than the criminal court, where the court must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty.

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    Lucy Letby

    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives;
    Yes, it's easily forgotten.
    I don’t think you’re in a position to throw stones as it was in response to your own post that regarding a claim POTUS had made or not. And I used AI precisely to keep it factual rather than expressing my opinion, which didn’t stop you from jumping on another political topic.
    Furthermore my comment was not about the matter discussed but the language used.
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    I don’t think you’re in a position to throw stones as it was in response to your own post that regarding a claim POTUS had made or not. And I used AI precisely to keep it factual rather than expressing my opinion, which didn’t stop you from jumping on another political topic.
    Furthermore my comment was not about the matter discussed but the language used.
    I don't think you're in a position to throw stones as my post was itself in response to this political post of yours. (And you simply used AI to look for an opinion that suited you.Rather like I did in my reply to your AI post, to show how easy it is to do)

    Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.

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    Show me where my post was an opinion as my contention was that it was factual (unlike my previous post).
    But the fact that you cannot access the BP means this is the only place where you can voice your political inclinations and you often succumb to the temptation, whereas when it happens to me it's usually a mistake as it is sometimes difficult to know on which sub-forum you're posting on Tapatalk.
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burnside View Post
    Absolutely, not the cleverest place to start this thread especially as there’s one in the BP.
    I didn't know that, and frankly I don't give a dam!

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    Hello

    Just another example of your approach to the use of this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stooo View Post
    You are all idiots, lining up to fall on jimps limp opinionless grenade.
    Personal yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimp View Post
    Personal yet again.
    True though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimp View Post
    I didn't know that, and frankly I don't give a dam!
    As is this jimp, also true...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Show me where my post was an opinion as my contention was that it was factual (unlike my previous post).
    But the fact that you cannot access the BP means this is the only place where you can voice your political inclinations and you often succumb to the temptation, whereas when it happens to me it's usually a mistake as it is sometimes difficult to know on which sub-forum you're posting on Tapatalk.
    “…whereas when it happens to me it’s usually a mistake…”

    I forgot where I was.




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    Watch this and see what kind of man the prosecutions expert witness is.

    Read the comments from others,he has destroyed lives.

    Its like he lives for the limelight.

    All those deaths and he made his mind up in 10 minutes after putting himself forward as the expert.

    Do some small research if you want the truth.




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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    As is this jimp, also true...
    Ohh reggie, you never stop.

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    Hello

    Must be true its on YouTube.

    Bit of an assumption, he lives for the limelight? It seems his assistance is requested / sought out by the Police / CPS.

    And he destroys lives, really? He gives his considered medical opinion on the evidence that is presented to him. It is then for the court, jurors and judge to take that and other expert witnesses testimony to decide on guilt.

    You do talk a lot of nonsense and seem to have a lot of bias towards the authorities and anyone deemed on their side.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by jimp View Post
    Ohh reggie, you never stop.
    A bit like your poor choices in clothing / boots / BB Guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwest76 View Post
    Watch this...

    Do some small research if you want the truth.
    Anyone tempted to watch the video, please pick a few other videos from UK Column News and watch them first - you'll be able to choose offerings on the Holocaust, Grooming Gangs, mRNA vaccines etc - and decide if you're going to give any weight to their views.

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    Hello

    Quote Originally Posted by jimp View Post
    Ohh reggie, you never stop.
    Quote Originally Posted by MakeColdplayHistory View Post
    Anyone tempted to watch the video, please pick a few other videos from UK Column News and watch them first - you'll be able to choose offerings on the Holocaust, Grooming Gangs, mRNA vaccines etc - and decide if you're going to give any weight to their views.
    Oh God, don’t get them started on any of those topics!

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