closing tag is in template navbar
timefactors watches



TZ-UK Fundraiser
Results 1 to 41 of 41

Thread: Selling fakes/clones

  1. #1
    Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    Down south jukin
    Posts
    5,867
    Blog Entries
    1

    Selling fakes/clones

    I value your opinion (well some of you at least).

    I am on a FB group.

    Lately I have seen lots of posts selling items described as clones.

    Surely they are fakes as the boxes and items have known makers names on them,from the photos I wouldnt know they where "clones".

    I re-read the rules it says sale of clones OK as long as they are declared as such.

    I have messaged an admin pointing out its against the law,he says this was the best way that then people didnt get ripped of.


    "Should I just suck it up,report it or just leave with no drama"?


    It has made me very,very wary, I was conned on ebay before it makes you very distrustful but I didnt expect it in this group.

    There are a lot of people who thing its a harmless crime and are OK with it,I seem to be in the minority.

    It isnt watches based more EDC type stuff.

  2. #2
    Master Arcam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    1,311
    I would say fakes and reported as such.

  3. #3
    Master
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Dorset
    Posts
    3,101
    Some EDC groups allow clones others don't, I've a habit of leaving the ones that allow clones.

    Sent from my A065 using Tapatalk

  4. #4
    Master
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    3,133
    Blog Entries
    2
    They might be sold as clones initially but eventually down the line someone will pass it off as genuine

  5. #5
    Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Unknown
    Posts
    6,456
    Blog Entries
    2
    I know what a genuine item is, and I know what a fake is. What is a clone?

    Just sounds like a different word for fake.

    Leave the group if you can’t make them see it …

  6. #6
    Master
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    London
    Posts
    3,296
    Two questions for me:

    1) Does it have a maker's name on?
    2) Was it made by them?

    If it's a yes, no, it's a fake and report it.*

    *with the exception of, for example, a Seiko watch with an aftermarket Seiko dial.

  7. #7
    Grand Master snowman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Hampshire
    Posts
    14,839
    I'm pretty sure FB don't care about fakes (eBay aren't that bothered either, in my experience, when I've reported fake goods, they've stay up).

    If something is marked as a 'clone', it's a fake - A true 'clone' is what comes out of the original makers' factories - All mass produced products are the same as each other, made in the same way, but that's definitely not what the fake apologists mean.

    Up to you if you want to report it, but I suspect you'll be wasting your time.

    Quote Originally Posted by apm101 View Post
    ...

    If it's a yes, no, it's a fake and report it.*

    *with the exception of, for example, a Seiko watch with an aftermarket Seiko dial.
    I'd even be wary of that - From a photo, how do you know a watch started life as a Seiko and not some cheap lookalike and has had a Seiko marked dial added?

    M
    Last edited by snowman; 13th January 2025 at 10:12.
    Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?

  8. #8
    Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    Down south jukin
    Posts
    5,867
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by JPCain86 View Post
    They might be sold as clones initially but eventually down the line someone will pass it off as genuine
    Thats what I thought.

    What makes it worse to me is they use the word Clone (in a frivolus manner) as if that then means its not a fake.

    It also worries me about the mindset of some of these people,its obvious a lot of people see nothing wrong with fakes.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    I know what a genuine item is, and I know what a fake is. What is a clone?

    Just sounds like a different word for fake.
    Fake, Replica, Clone, Super Clone. All counterfeit, and breaking copyright, trademark and IP laws.

  10. #10
    I’m not into fake watch and very much dislike the whole industry of counterfeit goods , what sort of group was it a watch group?

  11. #11
    Grand Master Neil.C's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    SE England
    Posts
    27,603
    I'd just leave any group that normalised selling counterfeit items.
    Cheers,
    Neil.

  12. #12
    Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Unknown
    Posts
    6,456
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker View Post
    Fake, Replica, Clone, Super Clone. All counterfeit, and breaking copyright, trademark and IP laws.
    Exactly, I’m sure this comes up frequently. Always the same answers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    I'd just leave any group that normalised selling counterfeit items.
    Agreed. I’m please to observe a zero tolerance of fakes on this forum.

  13. #13
    Master
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    M62 corridor
    Posts
    5,033
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker View Post
    Fake, Replica, Clone, Super Clone. All counterfeit, and breaking copyright, trademark and IP laws.
    “Homage” is one of the most ridiculous descriptions I’ve seen.

  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by apm101 View Post
    Two questions for me:

    1) Does it have a maker's name on?
    2) Was it made by them?

    If it's a yes, no, it's a fake and report it.*

    *with the exception of, for example, a Seiko watch with an aftermarket Seiko dial.
    Thats a fake (IMO).

  15. #15
    Grand Master TaketheCannoli's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    20,376
    That's a completely different thing. Homages aren't fakes as they don't carry the brand name and aren't trying to pass themselves off as a particular brand. Most of Eddie's watches are homages to other watches.

    Quote Originally Posted by David_D View Post
    “Homage” is one of the most ridiculous descriptions I’ve seen.

  16. #16
    Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Unknown
    Posts
    6,456
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by David_D View Post
    “Homage” is one of the most ridiculous descriptions I’ve seen.
    What would be a better description for a watch styled on another then? (Assuming it’s not branded incorrectly I.e. a fake)

  17. #17

    Selling fakes/clones

    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    What would be a better description for a watch styled on another then? (Assuming it’s not branded incorrectly I.e. a fake)
    They’re usually just copies w/o the branding.

    A homage is something inspired by or acknowledging the design of something else.

    Not sure how they get away with it tbh.

  18. #18
    Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Unknown
    Posts
    6,456
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    They’re usually just copies w/o the branding.

    A homage is something inspired by or acknowledging the design of something else.

    Not sure how they get away with it tbh.
    How would you describe a Smiths prs-25 then?

  19. #19
    Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    Down south jukin
    Posts
    5,867
    Blog Entries
    1
    Last I looked it was 2 spydercos that looked like spydercos (there is other stuff).

    They had the name on the blade and were an a exact copy of a Spyderco along with a exact copy of a Spyderco box.

    That is a fake without any doubt.


    I already called out one seller last week it didnt go well for me,he kept saying they are clones every time I said fakes.

  20. #20
    Grand Master Velorum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Newquay
    Posts
    14,193
    Reminds me of when I saw this shop in Oludinez, Turkey a few years ago!


  21. #21
    Master Arcam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    1,311
    Clone=exact copy of original, but in this case a clone=fake.

  22. #22
    Master
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    M62 corridor
    Posts
    5,033
    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    What would be a better description for a watch styled on another then? (Assuming it’s not branded incorrectly I.e. a fake)
    Dunno. Rip off? One definition of homage I googled was “great respect and honour” so no idea what that has to do with watches copying a design.

  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    How would you describe a Smiths prs-25 then?
    Not familiar with what it’s supposed to be homaging but Smiths branded copy?

  24. #24
    Journeyman
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Location
    Bristol UK
    Posts
    58
    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Not familiar with what it’s supposed to be homaging but Smiths branded copy?
    Really, 25,000 posts … One of our hosts watches.


    https://www.timefactors.com/products...6mm-black-dial

  25. #25

    Selling fakes/clones

    Doesn’t help tbh.

  26. #26
    So have you reported it?
    "Bite my shiny metal ass."
    - Bender Bending Rodríguez

  27. #27
    Journeyman
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Location
    Bristol UK
    Posts
    58
    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Doesn’t help tbh.
    You stated you were not familiar with the watch I referenced so I provided you with a link to it.

    I asked how would you describe it in the context to this discussion and your comment on the description of a homage….

    It’s similar in design to a Rolex 1016, some may say a homage … what would you say ?

  28. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by 1680 View Post
    You stated you were not familiar with the watch I referenced so I provided you with a link to it.
    I said I wasn’t familiar with what it was homaging not the watch you referenced.

    Anyway, call it what you will.

  29. #29
    Journeyman
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Location
    Bristol UK
    Posts
    58
    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    I said I wasn’t familiar with what it was homaging not the watch you referenced.

    Anyway, call it what you will.
    You been here 15 years and made 25,000 posts and you have not noticed the similarities between the Smiths Everest and a 1016.

  30. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by 1680 View Post
    You been here 15 years and made 25,000 posts and you have not noticed the similarities between the Smiths Everest and a 1016.
    Correct at last.

  31. #31
    Journeyman
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Location
    Bristol UK
    Posts
    58
    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Correct at last.
    Unbelievable, but if you say so …

    Now I have drawn your attention to the similarities how would you describe the Smiths Everest’s similarities to the 1016?

  32. #32
    Facebook don't give a toss, the only thing you can do is don't buy them

    I live near a large Saturday market where nearly everything sold is fakes, clothes, watches, cosmetics , trainers, it's been there for years, the authorities couldn't care less

  33. #33
    Master Tifa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Shropshire UK
    Posts
    1,764
    *with the exception of, for example, a Seiko watch with an aftermarket Seiko dial.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTigerUK View Post
    Thats a fake (IMO).

    Personally, I'd give it a pass.
    Frankenwatches don't pretend to be something they're not.
    There's nothing inherently dishonest about them.
    Anyone looking for a specific watch would identify one immediately.

  34. #34
    Grand Master snowman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Hampshire
    Posts
    14,839
    Quote Originally Posted by Tifa View Post
    *with the exception of, for example, a Seiko watch with an aftermarket Seiko dial.

    Personally, I'd give it a pass.
    Frankenwatches don't pretend to be something they're not.
    There's nothing inherently dishonest about them.
    Anyone looking for a specific watch would identify one immediately.
    But how would anyone looking for a 'Seiko' have a clue whether the watch started life as a Seiko or a cheap Chinese Seiko powered copy?

    If it's not in the Seiko catalogue, it could be anything...

    M
    Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?

  35. #35
    Master Tifa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Shropshire UK
    Posts
    1,764
    Quote Originally Posted by snowman View Post
    But how would anyone looking for a 'Seiko' have a clue whether the watch started life as a Seiko or a cheap Chinese Seiko powered copy?

    If it's not in the Seiko catalogue, it could be anything...

    M
    If it's not in the Seiko catalogue, what's the problem?
    Buyer pays what HE thinks it's worth.
    The price isn't dictated by retail market forces or dealers.
    It's exactly the same as buying a car, say a classic mini, with a Honda K series motor.
    How can this be dishonest?

  36. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by stooo View Post
    So have you reported it?
    "Bite my shiny metal ass."
    - Bender Bending Rodríguez

  37. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by [B
    Montello[/B];6496091]How would you describe a Smiths prs-25 then?
    Quote Originally Posted by [B
    1680[/B];6496183]You stated you were not familiar with the watch I referenced so I provided you with a link to it.

    I asked how would you describe it in the context to this discussion and your comment on the description of a homage….

    It’s similar in design to a Rolex 1016, some may say a homage … what would you say ?
    ????

  38. #38
    Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    Down south jukin
    Posts
    5,867
    Blog Entries
    1
    Which if any of these is a clone or fake?


  39. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by bwest76 View Post
    Which if any of these is a clone or fake?

    No idea, not a knife fan. Have you reported the FB group like you asked?
    "Bite my shiny metal ass."
    - Bender Bending Rodríguez

  40. #40
    Grand Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Berkshire
    Posts
    10,986
    That was not the question asked.

    And please do not pm me asking for a phone call, again.

    Ever.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

  41. #41
    Craftsman
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    New Forest
    Posts
    696
    Quote Originally Posted by 1680 View Post
    You been here 15 years and made 25,000 posts and you have not noticed the similarities between the Smiths Everest and a 1016.
    But it's not got rolex on the dial??

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Do Not Sell My Personal Information