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    Garage wall paint

    I'm currently doing a job I've put off since we moved here and that's painting the garage walls white, well I'm forced into it really as I'm having the concrete floor resin coated in a couple of weeks and want it done before then. I thought the worst part would be emptying the garage, which was a herculean task in itself and involved a 6 yard skip full to the brim and our garden room stuffed full of garage paraphernalia! What is actually the worst bit of this job is the coverage of the paint. I'm doing all the joints with a brush, then doing the blockwork with a roller afterwards, see below.



    I can't get over the lack of coverage though, the paint I'm using is called Resincoat Garage Wall Coating, and whilst it's great at filling the holes and marks that breeze blocks seem to have, the actual coverage isn't great.



    In the photograph above, the wall on the left with the pipework has had two coats, the wall adjacent to it has had three and the wall on the right has had one. I realised it would need two coats but i'm surprised I'm going to have to do four (never mind the expense)!

    Am I doing something wrong or is it simply the current low temperature that's affecting coverage? I'm following all the instructions that came with the paint.

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    Cold never helps, but surprised at the number of coats required!

    Have a think about painting light grey up to waist height - it is more durable and looks good.

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    I had some old white "textured" ripple effect thick emulsion which was rubbish for the rooms inside the house.
    I sprayed it onto the walls to get rid of it.

    Easier than a brush & roller.

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    https://www.zinsseruk.com/product/bulls-eye-1-2-3/

    ..................but first, for God's sake, cover up that Vinnie the German thing doesn't matter! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tixntox View Post
    https://www.zinsseruk.com/product/bulls-eye-1-2-3/

    ..................but first, for God's sake, cover up that Vinnie the German thing doesn't matter! :)
    Excellent

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    I' ve painted a couple over the years and it isn t easy, might be better to thin the pant by 15% to achieve better flow, stippling with a brush is harder but more effective. Spraying with an airless electric gun might work, never tried it but it should work. Winters the wrong time to do it, the paint will struggle to dry and cure unless you heat the garage.

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    I used Sandtex exterior paint, whether that is very wrong or not I don’t know but it went on well with good coverage. From memory I think it was two coats and done.

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    Did you use a primer to seal the stones? The open structure of the stonework will draw in a lot of paint.

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    Brick is very porous, most will do a watered down mist coat first to seal then a second coat on top, the first watered down coat is just to stretch the paint ( either way you will be doing a couple of coats).

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    Thanks for the replies guys! Reading the technical data I think the coverage issue is simply due to the porosity of the breeze blocks, there are some brick sections around the garage door that have had two coats and look great. Being a 1 pack resin coating rather than a paint means it can't be watered or thinned down, which I would normally have done for the first mist coat. Despite the coverage issue I'm very pleased with the result, it does give a very hardwearing surface, almost like a thin plastic film which is reassuring - I'll just have to keep applying it until the walls are fully covered!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tixntox View Post
    https://www.zinsseruk.com/product/bulls-eye-1-2-3/

    ..................but first, for God's sake, cover up that Vinnie the German thing doesn't matter! :)
    Message received and understood!

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    I'd have just used exterior wall paint. I didn't know 'garage wall paint' was even a thing.

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    Over the years I’ve gone over with any white emulsion that’s been left over.

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    Garage wall paint

    Seal it first and wait till ambient temps are better

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    It would appear that it’s not the paint or indeed the breeze blocks that are the problem. After all, the parts of the blocks (on either side of the joints) that have been brush painted are well covered. I’m assuming that these have had only one brush coat, yet seem to be solid white. It would probably be far faster to get a decent size brush, say 4”, and finish the job.
    Some resin paints are totally unsuited to standard rollers. What happens is, the resin adheres more to the roller than the wall. In effect, the roller is actually pulling the paint off the wall again as it passes over, if that makes sense. If you Google epoxy resin and problems with rollers you will get a bit of an understanding of the principle. Basically, it’s the adhesive nature of the paint is the issue. Yes, you can get a specialist roller better suited but far easier to simply finish the job with a decent brush.

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    ^^^^ I don't think it's as simple as just the wrong choice of roller, all though I do think using a roller doesn't help coverage due the reasons you outlined, however I am using the type of roller suggested by the supplier. I think the joints look better covered as they essentially end up having two coats once the wall has one. By the time I've brushed the joints for the whole wall in they are semi cured and the roller then gives them a second coat. If you look at the first photograph, the area to the right of where the copper pipe is has been brush painted with two coats as the area is too small for the roller, and it still needs at least another coat.

    I spoke with the manufacturer this morning and they say that breeze blocks are the worst surface for coverage by a country mile due to porosity, bricks or concrete would only need two coats maximum. I've another 20 litres of paint arriving tomorrow so I'll just grit my teeth and do 4 coats for all the walls.

    I've decided on the tool cabinets I want so they will be ordered after the floor has been resin flake coated, and I'm now looking at lighting solutions - I like the look of the hexagonal type led systems so that probably what I'll go with. I can't wait for it to all to be finished, thankfully it will be done long before my car is due back from the paint shop!

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    Have to admit, I`m quite envious, if I had a nice brick-built garage (preferably attached, warmer and drier) I`d do the same. Unfortunately I ended up with a 24'x 12' concrete section garage which came with the property, in hindsight I wish I`d scrapped it and had a brick one built, it would've been nigh-on impossible to make it attached but I`m sure a brick/breezeblock affair would've been far better than what I have. I painted the walls white and sealed/painted the floor to get it to a reasonable standard, but it's less than ideal. Far too cold to work in during winter, at 67 my hands can`t cope with the cold like they once did, so I limit car work to the warmer months.

    Good luck with the resin floor, I prepared and painted the concrete floor in mine and used good quality floor paint, but after 3 years it's flaking off everywhere. Frustrating, but it only pisses me off when I think about it!

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    ^^^^I did look at doing the floor myself Paul but I soon realised that the secret of a good resin floor is all in the preparation, and the preparation involves 2 days worth of concrete grinding, scraping and planing with various expensive pieces of industrial kit, whilst the resin pour itself only takes a couple of hours. This put it out of the realms of a diy job for me, the company who are doing the work have allowed 2 to 3 days to complete it. Resin floors (mine will be a resin flake floor) do look great when they are done, and no more concrete dust all over me when I'm doing any spannerwork out there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    ^^^^I did look at doing the floor myself Paul but I soon realised that the secret of a good resin floor is all in the preparation, and the preparation involves 2 days worth of concrete grinding, scraping and planing with various expensive pieces of industrial kit, whilst the resin pour itself only takes a couple of hours. This put it out of the realms of a diy job for me, the company who are doing the work have allowed 2 to 3 days to complete it. Resin floors (mine will be a resin flake floor) do look great when they are done, and no more concrete dust all over me when I'm doing any spannerwork out there!
    Very sensible Duncan, perhaps I should bite this bullet and do likewise. I opted for using sealant followed by a couple of coats of garage floor paint in light grey. Looked fine when first done but hasn`t stood up to water leaks or everyday use. Very disappointing, the water leaks have now been fixed but the damage to the floor has been done, I would expect the paint to be more durable but I suspect the water seeped into the concrete through high spots where the paint hadn't covered.

    I probably spend more time than you on the garage floor, 1970 MGB will always need some fettling, can`t see your Porsche needing much attention following the work you're getting done. I thin k you made a good decision in keeping it and investing money to get it how you want it.

    My golden rule is to never do watch work and car work on the same day, hands and fingers need recalibrating after a day on the spanners! Can`t work in the garage in cold weather, my 67 year old fingers can`t stand the cold weather thesedays.

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    I painted my garage breezblock wall using white emulsion and I was stunned at the way the blocks absorbed the paint. Sometime after I read one technique is to mix a proportion of plaster (15-20%) in with the paint and then you virtually trowel it on. All the holes are filled and the surface is smoother.

    Have a quick google , it may help make your 20litres go further.

    Steve

    And ps get a dust sheet on the bikes ;)

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    Painting the walls white makes a big difference, the garage will be much brighter.

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    I had some overspray on the concrete garage floor from 2k two pack car paint about 5-years ago.
    It is hard as nails for floors, and is still going strong with very little signs of wear.

    I may get round to spraying the whole floor Rover flame red one day.

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    And done, 4 coats on every wall, thank goodness it's finished! The floor will be started on Thursday and should be done by Saturday, I've ordered the lighting, got to order the cabinets now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    And done, 4 coats on every wall, thank goodness it's finished! The floor will be started on Thursday and should be done by Saturday, I've ordered the lighting, got to order the cabinets now.

    I trust you keep this thread going or start a new one, we all like a garage or man-cave space to be envious of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    And done, 4 coats on every wall, thank goodness it's finished! The floor will be started on Thursday and should be done by Saturday, I've ordered the lighting, got to order the cabinets now.

    Loving the garage walls

    Loving more, the steeds!!

    You’re a lucky man

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    Quote Originally Posted by walkerwek1958 View Post
    I ended up with a 24'x 12' concrete section garage which came with the property, in hindsight I wish I`d scrapped it and had a brick one built, it would've been nigh-on impossible to make it attached but I`m sure a brick/breezeblock affair would've been far better than what I have.
    Does your garage suffer from condensation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by E_2_Right-Force View Post
    Does your garage suffer from condensation?
    Yes, but only when the temperature swings rapidly in winter from around 0°C to 8-9°C. It's unrealistic to try sealing it around the corrugated roof, far better to let it breathe in my opinion, but rapid climatic changes in temperature and humidity are a problem. I suspect a brick garage would be better but still prone to this problem. The roof on mine is metal with flock lining to prevent condensation on the roof and it seems to do this effectively.

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    The new led lighting is fitted, well almost. The company supplying the system managed to send it with one Y connector missing so I couldn't fit the whole lot yesterday.



    They overnighted the missing connector (and a spare) but I couldn't fit it today as the flooring guy was here grinding the floor flat.



    The flake epoxy coat is now down, the sealing coat will go down tomorrow.



    I'll finish off the lighting mid next week when the surface has fully cured and the garage is ready to use. I'll order the cabinets next week too.

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    Looks fantastic Duncan, lovely place to work.

    Big fan of those hexagon lights, see a lot of the car detailers with them. I’d love a space like that to give my car a machine polish! Neighbours have just done their garage (nothing like this standard), but I’m hoping to get my car in to polish it before they turn it into a gym!


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    Looks well-swanky!!!

    With Scottish winters - I bought a load of sticky-spikes and foil encased insulation - cleaned the points of contact, and insulated the double-door.

    Adds nothing to the weight of the door, but makes a hell of a difference to the temp of the garage.

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    Looks great - just love the floor. Particularly when it's empty. I put a rectangle of led about 1.2m off the white walls and it lights the place very well, without shadows.

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    Now that’s impressive. Seems a shame to put ‘stuff’ in it.

    Well done. Looks great!

    I’m JAF!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    The new led lighting is fitted, well almost. The company supplying the system managed to send it with one Y connector missing so I couldn't fit the whole lot yesterday.



    They overnighted the missing connector (and a spare) but I couldn't fit it today as the flooring guy was here grinding the floor flat.



    The flake epoxy coat is now down, the sealing coat will go down tomorrow.



    I'll finish off the lighting mid next week when the surface has fully cured and the garage is ready to use. I'll order the cabinets next week too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    Looks well-swanky!!!

    With Scottish winters - I bought a load of sticky-spikes and foil encased insulation - cleaned the points of contact, and insulated the double-door.

    Adds nothing to the weight of the door, but makes a hell of a difference to the temp of the garage.
    Did that 2 winters ago Al

    Huge difference. You’ll notice it in bills too.

    Hope you’re safe and well??

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    The floor is now finished along with the lighting. Cabinets are ordered and out for delivery. I'll be glad when I can move everything back in!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    The floor is now finished along with the lighting. Cabinets are ordered and out for delivery. I'll be glad when I can move everything back in!

    I am sure the Vincents grace your living room quite pleasurably. Nos so sure about the beemer, though
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    The cabinets arrived yesterday and I've got them built up. I just have to decant 50 years worth of spannering tools into it now!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    The cabinets arrived yesterday and I've got them built up. I just have to decant 50 years worth of spannering tools into it now!



    That looks good,I do love a tidy workshop.

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    Bunker units are getting good reviews, also used by Retropower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    The cabinets arrived yesterday and I've got them built up. I just have to decant 50 years worth of spannering tools into it now!



    Magnificent project outcome, Duncan. Very envious.

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    Crikey Duncan… That’s a lovely space to do some spannering!

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    I don't really do envy but I`m tempted when I see this. All it lacks is a decent sound system, can`t work effectively without getting the tunes sorted!

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    Wow Duncan, I would spend many of my waking hours in there, just need a fridge for the Pepsi Max :) :)

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    Thanks for the comments guys, much appreciated. One final photograph with the bikes back in and the shelves filled up:



    As for sounds Paul, I do have an Alexa in there so I can shout it it to start playing tunes!

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    I can't see the laser guided machine guns to detract intruders.
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    Another indoor Queen (sadly no longer mine) which I bought (non-runner) for £15 in 1965 approx and sold for £55 (up and running) when my parents bought me a Wolseley 1500, on condition that the "Widowmaker" was sold!


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    Quote Originally Posted by tixntox View Post
    Another indoor Queen (sadly no longer mine) which I bought (non-runner) for £15 in 1965 approx and sold for £55 (up and running) when my parents bought me a Wolseley 1500, on condition that the "Widowmaker" was sold!

    That’s stunning. And I laughed at the figures involved!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewatchbloke View Post
    Thanks for the comments guys, much appreciated. One final photograph with the bikes back in and the shelves filled up:



    As for sounds Paul, I do have an Alexa in there so I can shout it it to start playing tunes!
    Oh how I wish……..

    Be proud of that. Fan bloody tastic

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