Reply With QuoteStill a list on them,
As timeframe very depending on person etc as usual! Could get lucky get one quick or you could never
I'm admittedly out of touch these days, but what is the current situation with a new AD supplied Rolex Sub non-date?
Are we still talking years or has the 'bubble' burst, and are we now down to months or even weeks?
Still a list on them,
As timeframe very depending on person etc as usual! Could get lucky get one quick or you could never
I keep hearing weeks or months BUT I've been on a list for the 124060 just over a year now and annoyingly I know of people on here who have gotten one from the same AD here in Leeds much faster than me i.e they were added to the list much later than me and got offered one much faster than me - I'm still waiting BTW.
Feels like it's a std BS lottery still.
(As a result I decided not to play the game and went grey for a BLNR and added a Pelagos P39 to cover the no date diver angle instead).
Yeah so it would seem.Originally Posted by strell
I was speaking to a work colleague (also a WIS) who seems to think that the bubble had burst, but I had my doubts.
I called a few AD's who all said virtually the same thing. That I had to 'pop in' and basically be interviewed by them, including my job/profession, in order to reassure them that I wasn't just trying to buy to sell straight on for profit. Then they would run different watches past me/on my wrist to confirm I actually did know what I wanted (presumably in an attempt to steer me away from a Sub, and onto something they actually had in stock). Then and only then would they deem to honour me with a place on their magic list.
They also said that the Rolex policy/decree/dictate, is that they now have to de-sticker and size the watch rather than allowing the client to take it still boxed and stickered up!
Overall, they will not give an indication of timescale to allow me/client to decide if I/they are prepared to wait that long, and therefore it's even worth me/them travelling for the worthiness interview.
I did get the vibe that a Sub non-date would not be this year, but an Explorer 1 36mm would be.
The whole thing is ridiculous.
Pointless question as you well know OP.
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Definitely a load of BS. I think they just make it up as they go along and Rolex really need to to over themselves. I wish I didn't like their watches so much.
Not really, I've been out the Rolex supply loop for ages, and in a casual discussion about watches this morning, my colleague was saying he'd heard they were now more readily available. Therefore I asked on a watch forum, populated by watch enthusiasts with significant knowledge and connections to AD's.
I also followed up with a few calls of my own to AD's.
Seems fair enough to me.
I sold mine to WF for a little more than retail - I couldn’t be arsked with the grief of selling a Rolex on SC. Sorry I didn’t know you wanted one OP else maybe something could have been done. Water under the bridge. Martyn.
Little change to availability reported here in Portugal, I’d quite like a DJ but even those not easy to find.
“ Ford... you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.” HHGTTG
No probs mate, I'm only assessing things at present but was thinking that a RRP new watch would be better for me financially anyway.
Is it really Rolex or just the ADs?
That's a good question, I can only go on what the AD's tell me in that Rolex make these rules and they have to adhere to them.
'I was just following orders'!!!
Edit: I would have thought that the AD's would want to sell as many as they can, so why would they do anything that would potentially limit or lose sales?
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Troll question
Which post do you refer to, and if mine then why?
Keep an eye out at auctions, in particular WatchCollecting. Last few unworn Subs went through at only a few hundred over retail, and a yellow Rolesor went almost £5k under retail.
Appreciate the comments on pre-owned guys, but my policy has always been to never pay over retail for a modern, currently available watch.
If I can't get a new one (or as new pre-owned) at current list I'll likely move on and forget it TBH.
You can buy brand new from grey for £1 k ish over RRP so that could be an option. Overs are not what they used to be.
https://watchlife.org.uk/product/172...57655778295800
Slightly older one but unworn.
https://watchlife.org.uk/product/173...49606299795460
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There was a non date sub in the window of Goldsmiths in the Trafford Centre last Sunday - I didnt see any ‘exhibition only’ signs. - worth a call
I’ve been on the supposed list at Goldsmiths Meadowhall for 18 months - I’ve zero purchase history with them.
The other Rolex AD in Sheffield, where I’ve spent a reasonable amount of money over a few years, told me “the list is suspended”. Their rationale is to close the list if they believe they’re unable to supply within five years. It’s been “suspended” for the past three years. Go figure.
If you want a two tone - no problem at all apparently.
I’m just about done with the whole BS that surrounds Rolex
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No chance it won't be for exhibition only...but, yes it's worth a call for the confirmation and let down!
Seven months for me last year. No purchase history but I had to go through the process to get on the list. A good friend got his before me from the same AD within a month however he has an interesting back story (ex Special Forces) and seemed to strike a chord with the manager.
I never felt under any pressure to purchase anything else, and the sales advisor was open and honest, explaining that the whole meeting process was to try and avoid selling to flippers and sell watches to people who genuinely want them. I was told it could take up to three years so was surprised to receive one after seven months.
I know it’s all BS, but I worked hard to save for my watch and wear it everyday and have no intentions of ever selling it. Its resale value is of no interest to me. That was my experience and I appreciate that others may have had a different one.
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Might be worthwhile spinning some yarn about being SBS or the like then.
Hell I might try that at the weekend.
I suppose the special birthday angle has been flogged to death
Why would any sane person humiliate themselves like this,I immediately think of serfs throwing themselves at the feet of there masters hoping to chew the last meat of the bone.
If I see anyone wearing a new Rolex watch all I can think of is how low has this man gone and demeaned himself,I have zero respect for them.
Without doubt if they were freely available 90% wouldnt want one anyway,its a watch that I have no desire to own (thats a relief to you and me).
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(ex Special Forces) what would that be then?
Not one of the drug gang I hope?
What colour is the boathouse at Hereford?
I could tell you, but then I would have to………………
Orange Peel's experience coincides with my own, I tried to enquire about buying an OP 36, only to be told I had to make an appointment to have an interview to discuss whether the watch was right for me etc etc.... I took the opportunity to share my watch collecting /repairing back story witgh the ever so polite lady and gently reminded her that. at my age , I was perfectly capable of choosing the watch I wished to own. However, it soon became obvious I was wasting my time so I curtailed the conversation and left.
Wrong side of £5K to buy a basic 3 handed watch with a movement that's got serious question marks over it?...........I need my head seeing to, but like Orange Peel I do have a soft spot for 'em.
Didn’t realise Hereford was on the coast
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Just go on eBay pay a bit over list not stupid money no more, keep it and few years price increase will catch up lol
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And pray you receive a real one.
Maybe visit a few ADs and ask. I’d say you’ll be quoted at least a year, although many refuse to give any timescales now.
Might end up coming a bit sooner, but could up being 12-18m
I wouldn’t underestimate the number of folk who “ get the call” but finances are not what they were, or as mentioned above have been waiting so long they went down another purchase route. This might lead to an AD going through their “ list” faster. If you can step in quickly it might work to your advantage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm-g0NGE9W8Didn’t realise Hereford was on the coast
I suspect this may have been the case when I got mine after 7 months. I was told that they had a Sub ND which had unexpectedly become available, so possibly the people in front of me turned it down. Who knows?
As for the comments on lack of self respect, grovelling and spending thousands on unwanted watches, well, that just wasn’t the case for me. I can obviously only speak from my own experience, but I made an appointment to speak to a sales advisor, had a nice chat about watches for 30 mins (very little talk about Rolex, mainly about my CWC) with a nice coffee and 7 months later I had a call to say they had a watch for me.
I was prepared to wait, but not prepared to spend money on other watches and I explained that to the sales advisor. I didn’t want any other watch, and I didn’t want a sub date, despite the wait being possibly less.
I appreciate I may have got lucky, but it just goes to show that you don’t have to play the game as much as people think anymore.
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It's eBay Authenticated now long gone them days open boxes with a fake Rolex. Long as has the sign eBay authenticated as cash collection obviously does not go to them.Sent from my SM-A245F using TZ-UK mobile app
Might just work.
A friend of mine wore a 5513 into a shop and gave some old bosh about his Father giving him his old watch and he wanted to buy his Father a new one. He did a very humble act (which he is good at as he is a dealer himself!) and professed not to know much about watches.
I didn't think it possible but he came out with a new Sub!
Cheers,
Neil.
2 hours left at auction and currently £3k under retail for a 2024 bi-metal Daytona (no idea if there is a reserve)
https://watchcollecting.com/for-sale...lex-daytona-15
There could be good watches out there!
I have read of some people buying one as a walk-in with no previous history. I think it’s a case of whether your face/profile fits and the ADs mood.
One AD said I would need to pop in regularly, wearing the watch to show I still owned it. Yes of course, I have all the time in the world for you to take the morning register.
It’s a lot of faff but one that you have to keep up with if you want to buy.
PS Update your CV for the interview!
I waited 3 months for a 124060 in 2021 from an AD.
Touted it round a few dealers in Bond St area this week and there was little interest or low ball offers.
After quite a bit of horse trading sold it for under current list price.
I was on my way to look at something else and was just trying to improve on the trade in price I had been quoted.
And what precisely would they do about it if you didn't 'pop in' or had indeed had sold the watch?
Confiscate the watch?, tar and feather you? Even worse, perhaps the walk of shame?
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I am currently instructed to act for someone who has bought an "eBay authenticated" Rolex GMT-Master.
I have been provided with evidence that Rolex UK themselves then declared the watch in writing to be counterfeit.
Ebay would appear then not to accept Rolex's determination and still maintain that it is genuine, refusing a refund.
That’s crazy … as ever buy the seller …
FWIW Watchcharts quote a 9% MV premium.
What assurance do you have that the unnamed authenticator who you aren't paying, can't contact and has seemingly zero accountability if things go wrong, is doing a good job? Sure it'll probably flush out obvious fakes, but it's the not-obvious fakes that are dangerous, and personally I wouldn't rely on the eBay authentication process for that.
Haywoods example above in a nut shell.
For this reason I'm also cautious of the buy-the-seller mantra when it comes to expensive watches, unless the seller is the original owner of the watch or an actual expert. They may be totally trustworthy, but that's not going to help if they bought a dodgy watch and don't have the expertise to identify it (as I certainly don't have the expertise to do so!).
Awful situation.
I guess eBay might argue that as the watch was authenticated (dubiously), the buyer may be trying to swap out the real one for a fake. Difficult to prove. Bet that's happened many times in the past.
I understand that many ADs are removing “exhibition only” signs. I’ve spoken to two ADs recently who’ve told me that things are slowly improving and, although they still have lists, waiting times are decreasing.
I was offered an Explorer 2 twice inside 2 1/2 months at the end of last year but declined as I wanted to hang out for a GMT Master.
Buy the seller means buy from an actual expert … like Haywood … or somewhere that will offer some comeback like bricks and mortar dealer.
I’d never buy a Rolex off eBay for the reason highlighted above. I don’t know enough to spot a super fake.
Yes but I think folk also often refer to that when speaking about trusted forum members for example, and I guess my point is you can be an honest seller and still be selling a dud unknowingly.
Well that’s in the middle ground, I’d buy off a trusted forum member if they had a good run on H&V and could produce a receipt showing the watch came from an AD or Watchfinder ….
The whole Rolex thing is madness but I am no longer in the market as the reasonable prices for me set sail a few years ago. Prices aside, it’s the hoops one must jump through.
Hopefully you get your watch soon, either directly or through a member PSA.
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