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There is but it's probably best not to mention it in the G & D.
Is there a good reason what the S.N.P. parliamentary leader Stephen Flynn was notably not singing the national anthem at today's service .?
There is but it's probably best not to mention it in the G & D.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Is it compulsory?Originally Posted by Jega
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
"You gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em".
Doesn’t know the words.
Maybe the same reason some Scottish regiments pass their glass of whisky over a glass of water before drinking a toast.
Cos he’s a waste of space, nasty and a terribly bad representative of Scotlands real people.
Jim
I’m intrigued. Never heard that one before.
Can you explain please??
Jim
Scottish Jacobites would toast the "king over the water" as a sign of solidarity with their exiled king, Bonnie Prince Charlie, after the defeat of the Jacobites. To do this, they would hold their glass of wine above a bowl of water on the table.
The XVIIIth Century found a divided loyalty to England and, after the "Forty-five," certain regiments disaffected towards the Sovereign were ordered to drink his health. To salve their consciences, the Jacobite officers of the day used to stretch their glasses over their finger-bowls and drink to "The King over the water." Ever since those days it has not been the custom to put finger-bowls on the mess table. (Footnoted: Major R.M. Grazebrook, O.B.E., M.C" in the Journal of the Society for Army Historical Research.) Some regiments of the old Army, such as the Grenadier Guards, Coldstream Guards, the King's Royal Rifles, and many more, priding themselves that their loyalty was never in doubt; did not drink the health of the Sovereign at all. Others, equally trusty, drank it every night.
It can get very complicated.
http://www.regimentalrogue.com/misc/...n_the_army.htm
Every unit has its own thing.
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It should be, especially if you are patriotic
A small Dutch contribution. There was a Remembrance Day Ceremony here in my town as well. Canadian Allied forces had their HQ here at the end of the war and later on. We remember them like the Cenotaph ceremony; at the same moment. British and Canadian Forces are in the lead during the ceremony here.
This monument is across the street where the Can HQ was. The Man With Two Hats. It was a picture taken during the liberation of my town. A man waving two hats. Later shaped into a bronze statue; ±4m heigh. The eyes of the man have a significant purpose. The statue 'looks' to the west. Geographically in a straight line to Burlington Ontario where the Can HQ was. There, in Burlington, stands a copy of the statue, facing east. A straight line to my hometown's memorial.
(The straight set of trees behind the statue were already in place before the monument was erected: There used to be a train track leading from the town's station to a small station of the Royal Palace, 100m behind the spot where the pic was taken)
The Dutch really do show a lot of thanks and respect,lovely photo.A small Dutch contribution. There was a Remembrance Day Ceremony here in my town as well. Canadian Allied forces had their HQ here at the end of the war and later on. We remember them like the Cenotaph ceremony; at the same moment. British and Canadian Forces are in the lead during the ceremony here.
This monument is across the street where the Can HQ was. The Man With Two Hats. It was a picture taken during the liberation of my town. A man waving two hats. Later shaped into a bronze statue; ±4m heigh. The eyes of the man have a significant purpose. The statue 'looks' to the west. Geographically in a straight line to Burlington Ontario where the Can HQ was. There, in Burlington, stands a copy of the statue, facing east. A straight line to my hometown's memorial.
(The straight set of trees behind the statue were already in place before the monument was erected: There used to be a train track leading from the town's station to a small station of the Royal Palace, 100m behind the spot where the pic was taken)
Thank you.
I have great respect for Remembrance Day, but there's a problem with the national anthem. It's not really about the nation. It's about an institution and a person that not everyone respects (the monarchy, and specifically Charles) and an entity that not everyone believes is real ("God").
I haven't sung God Save the Queen since I was at primary school, and I'd never sing God Save the King, anywhere. To me the sentiment is risible. It might as well be Loch Ness Monster save Katie Hopkins.
We need a more inclusive national anthem. But we won't get one, so I don't think anyone should attract criticism for declining to take part in the one we have.
I think Fat Les ´´Vindaloo´´ has you covered?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va6nPu-1auE
Is this the same national anthem that had the words "rebellious Scots to crush". at one time? Perhaps he he views the anthem' as inherently racist and anti Scottish.
I'm not sure you've grasped the "raison d'être" behind the SNP...
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
"You gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em".
Well, you could sing the anthem from Liechtenstein: 'Oben am jungen Rhein'; the melody is the same! Or apply for a Spanish citizenship. Spain has an anthem without words!
It's simply a matter of history. Often, anthems started life as melody sung by many. Folksongs if you like. The words may have been changed over time. The words from back then may not cover one's in-depth thoughts about today's society. It connects the past with the present. But that's not the point. Although I think that not singing the anthem looks bad.
Since it was a song that's sung by everybody and then was transferred into an anthem... you can always start a petition to sky-rocket Strawberry Fields into eternal fame as national anthem. Or ask Taylor Swift to come up with a catchy song.
Our anthem, the one you can hear nearly every Sunday afternoon after the F1 races, is an old song, but was originally not the national anthem. It was officially used for the first time in 1932. The song and the melody harks back to the 17th century. It replaces a song that was too nationalistic, even then! However... our current anthem still has a phrase that points at 'Dietsland': "... am I from Dietsen blood!". Dietsland is the part of Europe where people speak Dutch or a Dutch dialect: from ± Calais (yes!) to ± Bremen in Germany.
Last edited by thieuster; 11th November 2024 at 09:46.
War song from the Rhine Army… (original name of «*La Marseillaise*»).
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Yeah I get that with ‘plowed furrows’ and ‘blood’
Despite the attempt to make your question to appear innocuous - you've clearly been triggered .............
I thought this was pretty ‘inclusive’ tbh.
‘Not in this land alone,
But be God’s mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world o’er.’
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
No mate. Bollocktics is not my strongest subject.
LOL.
When I served it was for or mate standing next to us and the Queen (the boss) we would risk our life for, now it would be for the King .
Ive met him (without publicity or cameras he came to us),I respect him if he had been an officer over me I would have followed him anywhere I am quite certain of his courage.
The national anthem is for everyone who (should) believe in this country.
What you have said makes me very sad, as for "more inclusive national anthem" that is the very definition of the woke me,me,me thinking destroying the world.
Indeed. The song was written by Rouget de Lisle in Strasbourg to galvanise the troops. The wording in French is "May foreign* blood water our plowed furrows" (my emphasis)
* the actual word used is "impur", means not pure but there was no eugeniscs at the time. Foreign is the closest translation to the French meaning of the word.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
If you're going to quote paragraphs that are not the official 2, I can play, and answer the OP at the same time:
'Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring;
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush!
God save the King!'
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
God Save The King is as inclusive as you can get. The anthem's text is about a healthy life and prosperity of the head of state. The personification of the country itself and for everyone who wants to included.
On the internet, the question about '...why mentioning a person in an anthem...' is asked so many times. And every answer has more layers, including more eloquent answers than I wrote.
You mean the shortened version I presume.
And that paragraph you quote is no longer part of the anthem.
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Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Vindaloo, La, La, La...We´re gonna score one more than You!
Combines the national dish and the national obsession, everyone already knows the words or can hum along, the words strike a very British note of baseless overconfidence and triumphalism...a winner surely?
Surely that´s exclusive, exclusionary T, he´s just the one bloke, not even all that tbh ( v. iffy close mate in Saville, had a lovely wife adored by all but couldn´t keep her, gave the ginger lad PTSD- life of grievance by making him walk alone at Mums funeral), what about the other 68 million or so don´t they have a right to a healthy life, prosperity, don´t we matter?...We all know trickle down is a busted flush, sure it´s good as gold for Kingo, no guarantee´s, upside for anyone else though is it...the Kingo bloke coins it in, even making money off of rentals to charities, the charities trying to help the poor sods injured fighting for him, that´s charities doing the heavy lifting, not Kingo´s state...and everyone should sing for him to be more prosperous, c´mon it´s got bells on it, why be so supine, accepting of ones inferior lot in life...doesn´t compute for me.
Sorry.
Vindalooo, la, la, la...
Last edited by Passenger; 11th November 2024 at 12:05.
No I meant the current, official version. At least according to this site: https://www.royal.uk/encyclopedia/national-anthem
Maybe you can show them the error of their ways.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Best Regards - Peter
I'd hate to be with you when you're on your own.
That's a message depends critically on the existence of "God", so it's not inclusive with respect to people who don't see that as sensible. From my point of view we might as well have an anthem that implores Superman to do something about global warming.
Well quite honestly I don't want my taxes to be spent defending the head of state. I expect our military to defend our country, its interests and its people, not a single undereducated and overpriveleged old man who reached his position in life through an unfortunate accident of birth.
I understand where you're coming from with that "inclusivity" word because I can be triggered by it as easily as anyone, but ignoring the usual woke baggage that it carries, which you quite reasonably allude to - it is surely important that a national anthem should espouse a message that all who believe in the country, as you put it, can identify with. Ours emphatically does not.
"God save the King". The well-being of the reigning monarch is not the same as that of the United Kingdom. Many don't support the monarchy. That is not the same thing as not supporting their country. And very many people understand that "God" isn't real, so why on Earth should they waste their breaths on a sentiment they're perfectly entitled to regard as nonsensical?
He doesn´t even reign, not in the sense of doing anything policy wise. He´s just a figurehead, wheeled out for performances. Gee whiz.
Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, you're overthinking it? Haven't you got anything better to expend your mental energy on?
Can`t believe folks can be bothered to squabble over the National Anthem or over-interpret it.
You wouldn't dare say that if Henry 8th was still on the throne.........you'd have been hung drawn and quartered to help you revise your opinion in those days!
Believe this. The NA can fcuk right off. Phew, I think I just about stayed in G&D rules.
God save our gracious King,
Long live our noble King,
God save the King!
Send him victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the King!
What kind of moronic claptrap is this. Even mono is on side.
Last edited by noTAGlove; 11th November 2024 at 13:48.
Prefer Henry V myself, he reputedly said, ´´War without fire has no value, no more than sausages without mustard´´.
I'm given to believe that the UK's is the only national anthem about a person. It also included at one point the following verse....
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring;
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush!
God save the King!
Seems our prejudices go back a long way.
Best Regards - Peter
I'd hate to be with you when you're on your own.
The plebs need a ''god king'' to worship.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
"You gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em".
I´d rather have a sausage with mustard.
Worship butters no parsnips, not for supplicants, only if you are the worshipped or count among his ecumenical enablers and henchpersons.
Last edited by Passenger; 11th November 2024 at 15:38.
The RGJ were allowed to stay seated for the loyal toast, reflecting service by the Rifle Brigade as naval infantry at Copenhagen in 1807...
Guessing you won't be pledging allegiance to the King any time soon???
Yes, one can be.
Hahaha no, I grew out of such decades ago, I no longer feel that we need such a distraction, especially a distraction with so much inherited wealth, gold hats, castles and gold coaches, on top of that I can't bring myself to be proud of our country - far too many people have been left far too far behind by a nation focused on passed glories rather than it's people's future.
Last edited by number2; 11th November 2024 at 18:07.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
"You gotta know when to hold em and know when to fold em".
Us north of the border have be governed my "Bollocktics" for some 17 years
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
They never consulted me.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
The royals have one of those .uk (not co.uk) websites like the Chinese scammers.
Be careful out there.
They are a firm, not a company.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
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