Reply With QuoteMy interpretation is you need to get your passport renewed.
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We are due to visit Croatia from the 6th October 2024 until the 13th October 2024.
We have not travelled outside the UK since 2019.
It still has several months (into next year) before it expires.
But I have now read about the “10 Year Rule” which I wasn’t aware of.
My passport was issued on the 20th October 2014 and so under the 10 year rule will expire on either the 19th or 20th October 2024.
Following the rule logic tells me that I should be ok. As I am still within the parameters.
I did email the Consulate and they replied with :
Further to your email, please be informed of the following
UK passport has to be valid for at least another three months after the planned departure from Croatia and issued within the previous 10 years when traveling to Croatia as well as all other EU countries.
Just looking for some assurance, as the final date is week later.
Thank you
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My interpretation is you need to get your passport renewed.
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Mine too. Unsure why you wouldn't to be honest ... Unless you've a family of 10 and they all need theirs renewed too!
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I think you are within the roles but given it's a month away I would use the priority service and change my passport and eliminate the risk.Originally Posted by Topcat30093
You are not OK as you fall foul of the three month rule
Must be valid for at least three months after the date you intend to leave the EU country you are visiting,
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2520536.html
I find the answer unambiguous (bearing in mind who wrote it, i.e. a Croatian authority).
Your passport must meet 2 conditions:
1) be less than 10 years old. It meets that condition
2) be valid at least 3 months after the date you are planning to leave Croatia. This means that to be valid for your trip your passport must expire on or after 13th January 2025.
I believe that unless you renew your passport you will be refused entry to Croatia (and any other Schengen area country you might want to enter).
This British thing of overextending the validity of the passport beyond the 10 years dictated by international rules was fine before Brexit but I believe it now only works between (some?) Commonwealth countries.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Can’t believe there are still those unaware of this brexit benefit.
It’s featured in so many media reports of people ‘stranded’ at departure airports, and also threads on here.
I’d get a new passport - don’t take a chance.
Definitely renew it to be on the safe side.
In theory, you may be OK (I don't see EXACTLY when your passport expires - Did I miss it?), but I wouldn't take a chance myself.
It was brought to my attention earlier in the year that the rules were changing while travelling to Italy.
I was inside the 10 year rule (in fact the person telling me was wrongly stating that it needed to be 10 years PLUS 3 months from date of issue, which if right would have meant I was only a day within the rules), but totally unaware of it before that.
I've just renewed my passport as it would have failed the rules for Ecuador otherwise. It took less than 14 days to get mine back under the regular scheme, but I wasn't in a rush.
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Last edited by snowman; 12th September 2024 at 16:27.
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I’m sure our recent family passport renewals came back in just over a week. I sent the old passport by recorded delivery which I think are processed quicker. If you are lucky, you might not need to send in your old passport as it’s near expiry.
Actually the OP hasn’t stated what date his passport expires. Without that we can’t say if he is OK or not as the 10 year rule is just on entry and it could have more than three months (after he wants to leave Croatia) before it expires.
Having said that some airlines and border controls get it wrong so I would be getting a new passport.
that’s quick! I think if you are applying for a solo passport and you are already in the online ‘system’ with HMRC etc - then the online application is especially quick and easy. No worries about the photo, as it gets accepted or ‘try again’ at the time of application.
Renewed three in one go last year and they turned them round in just under two weeks. Best get cracking though, just in case.
Thank you to clarify a couple of points.
When I applied for my passport back in 2014 and was still in the EU.
If you applied for a new passport HM Passport department was allowed to take over a maximum of 9 months from your existing passport.
So the actual expiry date of the passport is the 20th June 2025.
It was the new (to me) 10 year rule which came into effect after Brexit.
I was not aware of this, as I had no reason to check as we haven’t been out of the UK since 2019.
Common sense told me that the rule didn’t apply as the passport was valid until the 20th October 24.
However, as that is only a few weeks away. I shall be applying for a new. Instead of waiting until January.
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This. It's pretty straightforward really! Hardly surprising people get caught out if they find that too difficult to understand.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I believe that is the correct decision. It would be a shame to be left on the tarmac for 3 months’ worth of passport fees.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
In that case your passport is OK but, as others have said I probably wouldn’t risk it, despite it being valid to go in and come out of Croatia.
A new one won’t take long.
Thank you.
Will start the process today.
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My last one was under a week turn around - I used Royal Mail tracked 24 to send it - cheaper than signed for and you can track its journey
I am sorry as I don’t have the same passport but I am struggling to understand that. So much so that I got my previous post a bit mixed up. The expiry date is the 19th October, full stop.
What you need to look at is the issue date.
If the issue date was 20 October 2014, no problem. You could have travelled early July. But if the issued date was say 1 July 2014, you would have been refused travel in Schengen after 31 March.
In other words, the current situation is not about the 10 years rule but about the 3 months validity after your return.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
I presume the issue date is 20th October 2014 expiration date June 2025 - the expiration date is plenty but the rule is 10 years from issue —— I think
The passport Office are very quick - I had my replacement back in 6 days.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
It’s not okay, Croatia need 3 months past issue date which it doesn’t have.
Edit - Think I’m wrong here!
Last edited by Kingstepper; 12th September 2024 at 20:18.
Yes- it needs to be less than 10 years old when entering Croatia and have more than three months left when he leaves and as it expires on
20/06/25 his passport is valid for the trip.
The 10 year rule is for entry into EU NOT exit from EU.. As his passport has more than three months on exit, it is fine.
But even airlines and border guards have been known to get it wrong so I’d probably choose to get a new one.
No. On entry they check both dates. They want your passport to be valid according to international rules 3 months after the date of your return. If both those conditions are not met you don’t travel.
Hundreds of people come back to the UK every week with expired passports or even without passport at all (lost, stolen).
It is no big deal to leave a country without a passport and UKBF would let you travel on balance of probabilities, as it’s easier to prove you are British once here.
The 3 months rule is checked on entry.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Yep and in the case of the OP his passport is valid for more than three months after return so, it is OK for travel. Both conditions of being less than 10 years old at entry and more than 3 months on return are met.
Some examples given in the previous link I’ve posted
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2520536.html
For goodness sake, why not get a new one and avoid any potential ambiguity from any of the manifold agencies who may be in a position to scupper your plans based on their interpretation, whether correct or otherwise?
We holidayed in France during the summer until roughly August 15th
My wife's passport was issued on August the 20th 2014.
It was set to expire in May 2025.
Hence it was issued less that 10 years ago and still had three months of validity and as such we had no problems. She renewed it as soon as she got back.
You passport meets the 10 year on entry rule but it is a grey area whether any agency will take the 19th Oct (10 year date) or your UK expiry date for the 3 months after exit.
In this case and bearing in mind the cost of your holiday versus the cost of renewal, I would advise renewing online now as it will take 5-10 days to get your new passport.
Why take the risk as you are going to have to renew in any case when you return.
It isn’t a grey area, it’s black and white, it’s the expiry date of the passport in 2025.
However to avoid any potential issues I agree to renew now which is what the OP is doing.
From gov.uk
Passport validity requirements
Croatia follows Schengen area rules. Your passport must:
have a ‘date of issue’ less than 10 years before the date you arrive – if you renewed your passport before 1 October 2018, it may have a date of issue that is more than 10 years ago
have an ‘expiry date’ at least 3 months after the day you plan to leave the Schengen area
Last edited by craig1912; 13th September 2024 at 07:40.
It is grey because the EU doesn’t recognise the extension beyond 10 years. So yes, as Simon (Calder) said, he could travel with the passport. But any incident delaying his return beyond 19 Oct would potentially cost him (I think the fine is up to €30k).
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
It won’t because the relevant date isn’t 19 Oct it is three months before his passport expires. As long as he returns before the 20 March 2025 (his passport expires on 20 June) there are no issues.
And the EU does recognise the extension for all passports issued before 2018
Last edited by craig1912; 13th September 2024 at 07:48.
Can you provide a credible link please.
The Govt. info above doesn't state if the passport issued before October 2018 is acceptable, but to me it hints at the opposite:
That suggests a warning for those passports issued before October 2018.Your passport must:
have a ‘date of issue’ less than 10 years before the date you arrive – if you renewed your passport before 1 October 2018, it may have a date of issue that is more than 10 years ago
Thanks to you all for your support and much greater knowledge in this department.
As I already mentioned in a previous post, I shall apply on-line today for a new passport.
Tried last night, but the photos we took all came back according to HM as poor, so gong t get it taken professionally.
I take the point about the closeness of the 10 year rule, should I get delayed.
I think it was established that my passport is valid until the 20th June 2025, so the 3 months is ok.
But, sorry if I am being slow (probably), but does the 3 months also apply to the 10 year rule?
Meaning that after I leave the EU, I should still have a further 3 months of the 10 years left.
Asking for a friend :-)
Last time I did mine I went into town to a booth and took them - once home the pic code was entered and rejected - apparently I was too close to the camera
Sat with my back to the wall of the booth
My mate came around I draped a sheet over the bifold doors and took it outside - picture passed and I received the passport in less than a week inc the weekend
I took the kids' and wife's photos with my iPhone against a white wardrobe door. They were all fine. Just needs to be light enough.
Link… https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm
You are interpreting it wrong, it is warning that your passport maybe more than 10 years old at departure.
It really isn’t that difficult and whilst there have been errors made most airlines and border controls are now getting it right. It is only for passports issued prior to Sept 2018 when the UK gave an extension. Anyone renewing after that date got a 10 year expiry date so the issue doesn’t happen.
Last edited by craig1912; 13th September 2024 at 08:22.
After you leave the EU you need three months before expiry. That is three months before June 2025 NOT three months of the 10 years!
And the 10 year rule doesn’t apply if you get delayed, it just needs to be inside 10 years when you enter the country.
As you are applying for a new passport you will get a new 10 year one and never have to discuss this issue again!
Thanks Craig for all your advice
Tony
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Just to add to the encouraging chorus we've just had some passport renewals done in about a week.
Our DIY iPhone pics generally pass muster but if you're worried head to Snappy Snaps who know the rules and guarantee the pics.
Also the passport office do the priority ( more expensive) service, where you present at Liverpool and collect your passport four hours later. Just checked appointment needs to be made two days in advance, £200 ish
Last edited by higham5; 14th September 2024 at 07:56.
" Travellers must have a passport which was issued less than 10 years before their departure date."
I thought passports were only valid for ten years anyway, so how does this new `ten year rule` differ from previous rules?
You couldn`t travel if a passport was issued over ten years ago because it had expired by that point, or am i missing something.....?
Yes you are missing a lot! Pre Sept 2018 a passport could last up to 10 years and nine months when it was renewed.
Please read the thread and links which explain everything.
I just rrenewed my passport it took less than 2 weeks on the standard service. I did get my photo taken at a shop so I had an upload link but it was really quick.
27th August started the process, new passport back 5th September.
Thanks for your encouraging news.
I have submitted my on-line application and returned my old one via RMSD, which they will get today, as they don't work Saturdays ;-)
Good luck, be prepared for a bit of an initial wait, as all the time seems to be them opening the old passports and matching them up - it took a couple of days to acknowledge receipt (so good its sent recorded so you know they have it) and then a few more days to pair up the application - then the next day its being printed then delivered.
Looking at the updates -
Tuesday 27th Applied/returned passport
Monday 2/9 Old Passport Received (was delivered the 28th)
Tuesday 3/9 Approved
Wednesday 4/9 Printed
Thursday 5/9 Received
Hopefully Tony this is a good time of year to get a new passport. I imagine doing this a few weeks before summer every year would not be as quick.
This is the answer you need
You have to renew, but plenty of time to sort that out
Taken from HM website:
Passport validity requirements
- a ‘date of issue’ less than 10 years before the date you arrive – if you renewed your passport before 1 October 2018, it may have a date of issue that is more than 10 years ago
- an ‘expiry date’ at least 3 months after the day you plan to leave the Schengen area
Thank you for your update.
After a bit of a delay, as I sent my old passport by RMSD on Friday. As they are shut it was kept on "Retention" and RM's website was not being updated.
But this morning I received two emails from HMP stated that passport approved and being printed :-)
Thanks Stephen, things are looking positive.
Now I am virtually retired, perhaps could meet up for a coffee :-)
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