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    Home safe but not allowed to bolt it to floor

    I've acquired a fair bit of bullion and want to get a home safe. However owners in the development aren't allowed to drill into the floors so I was wondering how to secure a safe without this. Some other residents are bolting the safe onto heavy steel plates making them extremely heavy to remove, another chap is putting heavy lead in his to weigh it down.

    Anyone have any other ideas?

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    Bolt it to the inside of an exterior wall?

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    Buy more gold! It’s (slightly) heavier than lead.
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    Buy a very heavy safe

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    Melt the bullion down, have it fashioned into a safe, paint it black and leave it empty and unlocked. :)

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    Could you not just get a safe deposit box? Not sure it’s a great idea to keep that kind of money at home

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    Thanks for the suggestions. Re safety deposit box, Is and Cs state no money can be stored in them. I'll look at getting the heaviest safe I can - I don't have contents insurance here either as it's v expensive so it is a bit of a risk currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I've acquired a fair bit of bullion and want to get a home safe. However owners in the development aren't allowed to drill into the floors so I was wondering how to secure a safe without this. Some other residents are bolting the safe onto heavy steel plates making them extremely heavy to remove, another chap is putting heavy lead in his to weigh it down.

    Anyone have any other ideas?
    It would be more safe if you didn't splash it all over the internet.

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    I wouldn't class gold as money, not that the safe deposit box provider would have any idea what you're keeping in there.
    And ask yourself why contents insurance is particularly expensive in your building...

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    Buy a big ole safe.
    Which unless you live on the ground floor you’ll never get to your flat.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305725388...is&media=EMAIL

    Or move to a safer area.
    Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halitosis View Post
    I wouldn't class gold as money, not that the safe deposit box provider would have any idea what you're keeping in there.
    And ask yourself why contents insurance is particularly expensive in your building...
    It's not expensive in my building, it's just expensive for me to insure bullion. If it excluded bullion it would only be £35 a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    Buy a big ole safe.
    Which unless you live on the ground floor you’ll never get to your flat.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305725388...is&media=EMAIL

    Or move to a safer area.
    I do live on the ground floor and in the 10 years I've lived here there's only been 1 burglary from inside the flats (over 100 flats in the development) and that was an inside job by a builder.

    There's CCTV all over the place here plus a concierge.

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    I still think safe deposit box is your best option and agree with previous comment on not sharing it on the internet especially on a forum where some people might have you address if you’re ever purchased a watch from here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance wheel View Post
    I still think safe deposit box is your best option and agree with previous comment on not sharing it on the internet especially on a forum where some people might have you address if you’re ever purchased a watch from here
    Ok thanks I'll look into it, there's a Metro bank locally that has safety deposit boxes so I'll check that out.

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    Have they explained while floor drilling, especially on the ground floor, is a bad thing?

    Could you not buy some sort of gold bond instead?

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    There's probably enough clues in your posting history to lead a wrong'un to your front door. Maybe store it at a relative's who can safely secrete it away.

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    Bury it in a field far away from prying eyes? Just make a point of noting the coordinates.

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    Thanks all. I'll probably just sell a bunch of it on a private group and have a modest amount to keep. It's not like I had tons of it, but I'd started buying some and planned to continue doing so but it seems like it's a bit too much hassle.

    I liked the idea of having 'off grid' assets but I guess there's always crypto for that

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    No insurance because the people who make a living from assessing risk correctly - think it is very risky?

    Then announce to all on an internet forum that you intend storing all of it in a safe in the property………….

    Take your time settling on a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Kent View Post
    There's probably enough clues in your posting history to lead a wrong'un to your front door. Maybe store it at a relative's who can safely secrete it away.
    There's a ton of Hongkongers moved into the development and without going into more details than I should, basically nobody in their right mind would risk a robbery here as a result. Like I said, there was an inside job from builders once but the repercussions the culprits received were horrific and too graphic to share here.

    That being said you never know so I'll figure something out to avoid temptation and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    No insurance because the people who make a living from assessing risk correctly - think it is very risky?

    Then announce to all on an internet forum that you intend storing all of it in a safe in the property………….

    Take your time settling on a solution.
    Sure, and yet we have a bunch of people on the forum announcing their newly arrived expensive wrist trinket or sharing their SOTC and you think that's much different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Thanks all. I'll probably just sell a bunch of it on a private group and have a modest amount to keep. It's not like I had tons of it, but I'd started buying some and planned to continue doing so but it seems like it's a bit too much hassle.

    I liked the idea of having 'off grid' assets but I guess there's always crypto for that
    Yep just sell it on the TZ-UK high rollers bullion trading WhatsApp group.

    Use part of the proceeds to diversify into additional asset classes…

    Bremont and tulip bulbs.

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    Man with stash of gold bullion complains insurance is too expensive. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Sure, and yet we have a bunch of people on the forum announcing their newly arrived expensive wrist trinket or sharing their SOTC and you think that's much different?
    The SOTC is stored in the house? Can be melted down for scrap? Uploaded by users who have posted Zoopla links to flats in their block and pictures of the view out of their window on the ground floor while also admitting a safe can’t be bolted?

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    First world problems here......(rolls eyes) and them pesky little Triads...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Sure, and yet we have a bunch of people on the forum announcing their newly arrived expensive wrist trinket or sharing their SOTC and you think that's much different?
    Plenty - are keeping them in SDBs, in safes at home and are fully insured at home and away - without announcing which.

    But - yes, the Insurance experts are wrong.

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    Honestly I have no idea why you’d share stuff like this on a forum??
    It must be so easy for the criminal fraternity nowadays, like taking candy from a baby. The equivalent of an elderly lady in the 1970’s placing an advert in the local paper announcing she’s putting her life savings under the mattress?!

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    But at least the thread got him the attention he craves. As did the MGM one. Well played, mate.

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    Bury it at the bottom of a large pot plant / shove it up a wooden duck door-stop / buy a fish tank and disguise it as a pirate ship.. Must be plenty of ways to hide it in plain site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    Honestly I have no idea why you’d share stuff like this on a forum??



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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I do live on the ground floor and in the 10 years I've lived here there's only been 1 burglary from inside the flats (over 100 flats in the development) and that was an inside job by a builder.

    There's CCTV all over the place here plus a concierge.
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    There's a ton of Hongkongers moved into the development and without going into more details than I should, basically nobody in their right mind would risk a robbery here as a result. Like I said, there was an inside job from builders once but the repercussions the culprits received were horrific and too graphic to share here.

    That being said you never know so I'll figure something out to avoid temptation and all that.
    So why do you need a safe?




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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDad View Post
    Honestly I have no idea why you’d share stuff like this on a forum??
    It must be so easy for the criminal fraternity nowadays, like taking candy from a baby. The equivalent of an elderly lady in the 1970’s placing an advert in the local paper announcing she’s putting her life savings under the mattress?!
    He'd better hope none of his Triad neighbours are watch fans. Ryan comes out with some stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    There's a ton of Hongkongers moved into the development and without going into more details than I should, basically nobody in their right mind would risk a robbery here as a result. Like I said, there was an inside job from builders once but the repercussions the culprits received were horrific and too graphic to share here.
    What happened? Did the residents make them eat smashed avocado on sourdough focaccia for a week?

    Do you share these fantasies with your wife?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post

    Do you share these fantasies with your wife?
    My wife's the reason I need a safe!

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    I have a small slit cut in the internal wall of my wardrobe, near the ceiling. I just slide my bullion in there, store it in the wall. When I need it back, I just pull off a section of skirting board and get what I need. Easy.

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    How would anyone know if you bolted it to the floor? Just put everything back as it was before you move out. If it's that important to have it in the house then surely making good a few holes in the concrete and putting flooring over it isn't too much hassle. You aren't renting so I assume you don't get somebody coming round checking you're abiding by the rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manganr View Post
    Melt the bullion down, have it fashioned into a safe, paint it black and leave it empty and unlocked. :)
    This. Or made into a vintage Rolls Royce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    What happened? Did the residents make them eat smashed avocado on sourdough focaccia for a week?
    AH THE DEPRAVITY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Hotel View Post
    I have a small slit cut in the internal wall of my wardrobe, near the ceiling. I just slide my bullion in there, store it in the wall. When I need it back, I just pull off a section of skirting board and get what I need. Easy.
    Exchange the bullion, and really how much can he have, a few or several ounces perhaps, exchange it for gemstones...have a small slit cut somewhere unobtrusive, fleshy on his body, insert gems, seal with super glue, job done. Safe and portable.


    Or pay the Triads to sort his wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    There's a ton of Hongkongers moved into the development and without going into more details than I should, basically nobody in their right mind would risk a robbery here as a result. Like I said, there was an inside job from builders once but the repercussions the culprits received were horrific and too graphic to share here.

    That being said you never know so I'll figure something out to avoid temptation and all that.
    It’s cute that you are taking comfort from the presence of violent criminals and their proximity to the valuable assets you seek to protect.

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    The safe fitters we used said if they couldn't drill the floor they would just chemically bond it to the floor although drilling was preferable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldoakknives View Post
    So why do you need a safe?




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    Just to be on the safe side.
    Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    How would anyone know if you bolted it to the floor? Just put everything back as it was before you move out. If it's that important to have it in the house then surely making good a few holes in the concrete and putting flooring over it isn't too much hassle. You aren't renting so I assume you don't get somebody coming round checking you're abiding by the rules?
    Underfloor heating maybe?

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    Sell the bullion and buy a PM watch, white gold or platinum - stealth wealth. Tell the misses it’s a £300 bog standard watch.

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    Might not be feasible if you have an exceptionally minimalist house, but mine is randomly located out of sight inside an everyday item. Any would-be thief would have to be exceptionally lucky to find it or have far more time available to search than would be likely with a Police-connected alarm running. Coins are ideal for this type of concealment - you can tape them flat or into small packages easily.

    Not mine, but this is kind of the idea

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lynx-Stash-.../dp/B01H5PJVHU

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    What about the mobile phone/prison method? Just carry it around with you at all times.

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    Fair point, I hadn't thought of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggertech View Post
    Underfloor heating maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggertech View Post
    Underfloor heating maybe?
    Yep this is the reason.

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