Yep fair point. Ouch.Originally Posted by Ivan Drago
Prospect? He's 22 and already established in the national side, although I suppose that qualifies when you have the very definition of a chequebook manager in charge.
Meanwhile Arsenal's true prospects are looking for an exit as they've got a manager prefers to buy rather than promote.
Of the current Arsenal 1st Team squad who got minutes last season, the following came via the youth system;
Karl Hein
Emile Smith Rowe
Bukayo Saka
Eddie Nketieh
Reiss Nelson
Ethan Nwaneri
Re Man United 1st Team Squad it is;
Johnny Evans
Daniel Gore
Shola Shoretire
Marcus Rashford
Kobbie Mainoo
So that's Arsenal's 6 to Rags' 5. You can't include players like Garnacho etc as you bought them in from other teams' youth systems as opposed to scouting and developing them yourselves.
Plus Arsenal have added Myles Lewis-Skelly, another academy grad to this season's 1st team squad.
Add to this the fact that it's much more difficult to get into the Arsenal team than it is United's then that negates your 'chequebook manager' jibe which is all the more ironic seeing as the present United team is the very definition of a team that has gotten out the chequebook and paid over the odds in recent years for some absolute dross (Casemiro, Hoijlund, Maguire, Onana, Antony, Sancho being recent examples).
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As I’ve said before, this thread really seems to bring out the worst in members.
And I always considered “rags” a term used by City fans exclusively. Not fans of other teams. But that could my misconception.
To be fair Ryan supports many teams switching between arsenal and Southampton at will, also member of man city supporters forum.
United and arsenal both have broken records, united for always having a youth product in every squad and arsenal for being the first team to field an entire non british squad ( under Wenger I think) which led to the home based player rule
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10% of all transfers over £40m since 2019 have been for players ETH developed and it's in his job description to promote at least one academy player every year.
You've named one Arsenal player who can be considered £40m+.
Also list Eddie nektiah as an example of arsenal developing their own, he came through the Chelsea youth system!!!!!
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TBF , that can be levelled at most clubs . The youth system is like a merry go round at times
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Agreed
You’ve also go to factor in the development managers have on their players
For example under Arteta Saliba has developed into one of the worlds best center backs.
And the list that Pep and Klopp can reel off for players they’ve developed into world class once they starting working with them is incredible.
Far easier for the likes of Pep and Klopp to develop youth as they are putting already top kids into top sides.
Far harder for the likes of Dyche at Everton to blood a kid on when they are struggling to survive and playing panic football.
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Let’s wait and see.
But from what I saw yesterday in the first half he was the best player on the pitch and a real welcome addition to the team. Yes it was only against Rangers but he was very assured on the ball, calm when passing out and good tackle executed when needed. Ten outfield changes meant we only got to see 45 mins but high hopes for a strong partnership with Martinez.
The managers aren’t developing these kids . There will be a structure from top down . At every level these days there are coaches who will help develop this talent .
The man at the top , whilst having a good idea of the ability of the different age groups , would probably have little say in their progress until they are at EDS level .
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Of course
And this is where the partner club will come into the fore in the next few years.
It’s much better to develop a player under your own football club umbrella than farming them out to a club you’ll have no say in .
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So from going out on loan back to a mid table French team for 3 seasons in a row and no new contract under Emry to starter for Arsenal and France in three years - who’s reasonable then Deschamp? Or maybe it’s Ken the guy who paints the lines or the bloke from the green grocer who told him “ hoof it lad !!”
There is a huge difference between the development you get while on loan and what the top coaches add
It’s not limited to football either.
How does Arteta , an amazing midfield ball player , improve Saliba , an explosive centre half ?
It’s like saying Klopp improved Allison .
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I suspect Saliba was already demonstrating outstanding potential hence the club paying £27m for the then 18 year old.
He then spent a few seasons on loan at St Etienne, Nice and finally Marseille.
There was some fan discontent against Arteta for the final year that he was loaned out to Marseille, particularly as we had Cedric and Rob Holding as our centre half options alongside a then very erratic Gabriel. However playing all those minutes for Marseille helped with his development as he was awarded Ligue 1 young player of the season and was in the Ligue 1 team of the season.
He's pushed on since returning to the Emirates but being honest at the start of the 2022/2023 season when he started playing for Arsenal we'd no idea he would be so good.
It's like suddenly discovering you've got John Stones in your team.
It’ll be hard saying goodbye to Alvarez if he leaves for Atletico .
The second best striker in the PL will be missed . I actually thought Arsenal might bid for him but maybe Arteta is wary of buying any more City stars .
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I think the chances of City selling anyone to Arsenal (apart from Calvin Phillips) are close to zero now.
242 minutes per goal, comfortably better than Luton Town’s Carlton Morris last season.
Who wouldn’t want him.
Yeah '2nd best striker in the PL' was a bit of a stretch. 2nd best at Man City more like it.
Alvarez is a top striker! No idea why city will let him leave. Would love him at Arsenal, and we need a striker! Doesn’t look like Arteta is going for anyone this summer tho, guess he wants another season with Havertz up top :-(
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Which makes him second best in the Premier League.
Crack on with Kalvin though. Huge uplift on Saliba .
Isak, Son and Watkins are IMHO better strikers than Alvarez.
I heard that Arsenal broke their premier league goals record in each of the last two seasons so scoring goals and playing Havertz up front clearly aren't issues for Arteta. I fancy Arsenal to win it this season. City can't dominate every season surely and adding Calafiori will give them more quality and cover at the back. I think Arteta will use four big lads across the back in White, Saliba, Gabriel and Calafiori.
Mikel Merino will also provide depth in the 6/8 position and we're allegedly buying an attacker as well. Let's see. We have to win something that's for sure and I'd like to beat City when Pep is there. Winning the league in a year when City are in league 2 won't be the same achievement.
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None of those are even close to Alvarez, he is a complete player, I think if he had as much game time as Haarland he would score as much, and also a much better all round player. Confirmed going to Madird now, would have been a huge signing for Arsenal for the low fee, but not sure City would have sold him into the PL.
It should be an issue, yes we scored alot but not having an actual striker is a problem. We wont win the PL with Havertz leading our line.
Apparently he was concerned that he wasn’t getting the minutes in the bigger games . He only started in one CL group game and thought he deserved more opportunities.
He was given game time , sometimes forcing Foden or Bernardo out of position . This caused City to look disjointed at times . He’s not a 10 by any stretch .
Don’t blame the lad , he’s obviously got a lot of confidence in his ability and he will do well at Atletico Madrid.
Pep won’t keep an unhappy player and if City achieve their price , it’ll be a 500% profit .
Net spend trophy in the bag again for moneybags City.
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95 million euros. cough.
Spanish inflation must have been even more crippling than ours over the last year or 2.
Cough
Still cheaper than Darwin .
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That’s a bit of a bridgeno1 too far , no ?
Have you mentioned this theory on your favourite fans forum ?
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Darwin was 64m buddy.
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Okay
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/1...ity-milestone/
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Anyone got anything nice to say? Just a thought.
The article clearly states he was signed for 64m ?
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Pipe out of this Tottenham! We're having title chat here. Only City, Liverpool and Arsenal are invited. There will be a 4th to 7th thread along in a minute.
Yes , you’re right . My bad . The add ons definitely aren’t included .
Or maybe you’re due a refund .
FWIW , It’s a football discussion. Bleating about saying something nice ? What have we said to offend anyone ?
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Pipe out of this Tottenham! We're having title chat here. Only City are invited. There will be a 2nd to 7th thread along in a minute
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Add ons in football may never be payable and are not a guarentee fee.
Liverpool signed Nunez for 63.7m pounds. That was his transfer fee to become a Liverpool player.
Alvarez fee to Madrid is 64.5m pounds.
Delli Alli’s add ons were 40m when he went to Everton from Spurs.
Everton have paid nothing.
Do you get it now ?
Have Liverpool paid any add ons ?
Or do we now agree that Couthino to Barcelona was £108 million , not £142 ?
Coutinho signed for 106m.
Liverpool received 36m in add ons receiving 142m in total from Barcelona.
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A certain sense of irony when the accusations of bleating are coming from the goat.
I do sometimes wonder if we should have a thread for fans of the so-called 'big six' to argue amongst themselves and another for all the rest of the teams in the Premier League but as a start, this helps make the thread more readable:
"A man of little significance"
Teams with the most fans are talked about most in football discussion thread shocker.
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You tell em BFF .
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