The Euros 2024 Thread

[BillyCasper]

Walker named in team of the tournament

Rightly so

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This is the Opta team of the tournament.

I reckon three England players really excelled: Palmer, Guehi and Mainoo, perhaps four as I thought Stones was pretty good. The rest up and down or not enough playing time to really know.

[Passenger]

With those two late headers cleared off the goal line, I think it’s fair to say we were pushing them close at the end. So much so that half of stoppage time was spent with Spanish players writhing on the floor in agony! Not that I have an issue with that, any team a goal up with a couple of minutes to go wound do the same.

WRT not being impartial due to our clubs players in the team, that’s not something you or I have had to worry about since Kalvin Phillips left for City.

Weren´t 2 of the Spanish players writhing, one was studs to the ribs and the other an elbow to the face...I mean but for Donkey staying down, which was´´smart´´ according to one of the talking heads, they wouldn´t have got that penno in their previous match... it goes around I guess.

[Griswold]

People keep crediting/decrying things to Southgate that simply aren't true. So what do you really know about his managerial career?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/czrjyjrr80do

[RustyBin5]

Weren´t 2 of the Spanish players writhing, one was studs to the ribs and the other an elbow to the face...I mean but for Donkey staying down, which was´´smart´´ according to one of the talking heads, they wouldn´t have got that penno in their previous match... it goes around I guess.

Exactly this

[ryanb741]

John Stones makes me appreciate just how lucky we are to have William Saliba.

[TaketheCannoli]

IMO it was a lack of cover by the right sided wing back and / or midfielder. Walker was exposed on more than just those two occasions, it felt like every time Williams got the ball he was in 15 yards of space. Spain must have seen that happening and exploited it. For the second goal, as soon as Palmer gave it away they looked to hit that side again.

We've seen Walker put Mbappe and Vini Jr in his pocket but that's as a RB. When he's the right side of a three he needs the support of his right sided teammates. Just my opinion of course.

Something went badly wrong on England's right side in the second half for both goals. Leaving acres of space for Nico Williams was only going to end one way. Strange given that the defence was so tight in the first half.

[Ivan Drago]

IMO it was a lack of cover by the right sided wing back and / or midfielder. Walker was exposed on more than just those two occasions, it felt like every time Williams got the ball he was in 15 yards of space. Spain must have seen that happening and exploited it. For the second goal, as soon as Palmer gave it away they looked to hit that side again.

We've seen Walker put Mbappe and Vini Jr in his pocket but that's as a RB. When he's the right side of a three he needs the support of his right sided teammates. Just my opinion of course.

He wasn’t on the right side of a 3.

He was in a flat back 4.





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[watchcollector1]

People keep crediting/decrying things to Southgate that simply aren't true. So what do you really know about his managerial career?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/czrjyjrr80do

I don't think anyone has made any of those exact claims though.

Some of those answers need additional clarification, Alf Ramsey may have the best tournament win record but most of those games were on home soil and he failed to qualify for the 74 world cup too. Southgate qualified for every tournament he entered.

Also it's tournaments that really matter, other England managers may have a better win percentage overall but much worse records than Southgate in tournaments.

[stefmcd]

I don't think anyone has made any of those exact claims though.

Some of those answers need additional clarification, Alf Ramsey may have the best tournament win record but most of those games were on home soil and he failed to qualify for the 74 world cup too. Southgate qualified for every tournament he entered.

Also it's tournaments that really matter, other England managers may have a better win percentage overall but much worse records than Southgate in tournaments.

Qualifying for those small tournaments in 60s and 70s was rather tricky. Now there are so many places in finals and so many whipping boys to play in qualifying.

[BillyCasper]

Qualifying for those small tournaments in 60s and 70s was rather tricky. Now there are so many places in finals and so many whipping boys to play in qualifying.

And in 66 navigated a path through Uruguay, Mexico, France, Argentina, Portugal, West Germany. No mean feat then or now, home soil or not.


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[watchcollector1]

Qualifying for those small tournaments in 60s and 70s was rather tricky. Now there are so many places in finals and so many whipping boys to play in qualifying.

It's a fair point and in qualifying for 1974 we missed out to Poland who went on to finish 3rd in the World Cup.

[Dave+63]

Weren´t 2 of the Spanish players writhing, one was studs to the ribs and the other an elbow to the face...I mean but for Donkey staying down, which was´´smart´´ according to one of the talking heads, they wouldn´t have got that penno in their previous match... it goes around I guess.

I have no problem with the excessive time wasting, it’s what any team should do in Spain’s position.

As you say though, Kane did the same and we got a penalty, it’s all part of the game these days.

[watchcollector1]

This is a fair assessment of Southgate and his reign from The Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-b2580098.html

It's strange really that Southgate's biggest achievement, a final on Foreign soil, came at his worst tournament in terms of performances and preparation. And his worst tournament on paper, reaching the Quarter final in Qatar, was arguably his best in terms of performances, including against France who paid England a lot of respect.

It still felt like England were on the up after Qatar, but in this tournament England seemed to lack direction bar 30 minutes against The Netherlands (due to the oppositions tactical error), relying on some fantastic individual goals to paper over the lack of any coherent plan to create chances.

It is the right time to go but Southgate should still be praised for his role in helping to turn England's fortunes around dramatically. I hope whoever takes over learns from the positive changes he made whilst adding more tactical flexibility. If not we could go back to the bad old days.

[thegoat]

John Stones makes me appreciate just how lucky we are to have William Saliba.

That’s the problem with Southampton being in the championship. You never get to hear of these young upcoming players .
Is she any good ?


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[thieuster]

This is the Opta team of the tournament.

I reckon three England players really excelled: Palmer, Guehi and Mainoo, perhaps four as I thought Stones was pretty good. The rest up and down or not enough playing time to really know.

Gakpo is the only Dutch player who deserves a spot in the team, although we'r all very fond of Verbruggen as the goalie. With his 21 yrs., he can become a 'big name' in the future. Personality-wise, I would vote for Denzel Dumfries. That guy stands out during interviews with a lot of self-reflection and no hollow phrases. Intelligent answers and funny. About the incident with Kane that got England the penalty: "I'm the only one to blame. There was contact, so yeah that's a penalty. End of." And, during another game when some grabbed for his b*lls: "He grabbed me there. There was contact: they're hard to miss!"

[learningtofly]

I have no problem with the excessive time wasting, it’s what any team should do in Spain’s position.

As you say though, Kane did the same and we got a penalty, it’s all part of the game these days.

Kane was clearly hurt - to suggest otherwise is nonsensical.

[Foxy100]

According to the Guardian:

"also being considered for the role are Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard"

Please noooo! Frank Lampard shouldn't be considered to manage a non league side let alone England!

After the new manager bounce Gerrard was appalling at Villa. He did the classic trick of changing the squad and formation every week. Emi Buendia came in from Norwich as the Championship player of the season with money from the Grealish sale and the first thing Gerrard did was bring in Coutinho in the same position and not let either player settle or have a proper run. Considering Emery came in when Villa were in 17th in October 2022 and only brought in one player (a left back) in the January window, finishing seventh that season with in essence the same team showed the difference between an inexperienced manager who didn't have a clue and one with experience who did.

But no, Emery is staying at Villa, even though he'd make an amazing Engand manager. I'd like Klopp please.

[Passenger]

Chortz

https://www.tiktok.com/@carolineszwe...05318960155909

[PhilT]

Arguably (inarguably) the best qualified candidate is Sarina Wiegman.

Feels like a generation (or more?) away from that being allowed to happen in England.

2 sugars love.

[Dave+63]

Kane was clearly hurt - to suggest otherwise is nonsensical.

I don’t disagree Tony but the pain passes quickly (unless you’re a footballer! ).

He didn’t need to stay down as long as he did (few of them do) and the best way to get past something like that is to run it off.

[TaketheCannoli]

Except our last half dozen performances, maybe France away aside, have stunk the place out. Last night was a 100% Southgate style performance. Playing Toone regularly is beyond me given her club and country performances in the past 12 months, she's been awful and was again last night. A negative performance, not enough urgency going forward and a bewildering reluctance to use subs despite Sweden's subs making a hugely positive difference for them. Remind you of anyone?

Arguably (inarguably) the best qualified candidate is Sarina Wiegman.

Feels like a generation (or more?) away from that being allowed to happen in England.

2 sugars love.

[Ivan Drago]

Arguably (inarguably) the best qualified candidate is Sarina Wiegman.

Feels like a generation (or more?) away from that being allowed to happen in England.

2 sugars love.

The best qualified ?

She’s managed women’s teams. Not even In the same stratosphere as a league 2 manager.


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[watchcollector1]

Except our last half dozen performances, maybe France away aside, have stunk the place out. Last night was a 100% Southgate style performance. Playing Toone regularly is beyond me given her club and country performances in the past 12 months, she's been awful and was again last night. A negative performance, not enough urgency going forward and a bewildering reluctance to use subs despite Sweden's subs making a hugely positive difference for them. Remind you of anyone?

Englands women's journey to the World Cup final last year was very similar to the Men's Euros journey this.year. Scraping though the earlier stages despite awful performances, then a good win against a half decent side in the Semis before being outclassed by Spain's possession football in the final.

They seem to have completely lost their mojo.

[oldoakknives]

Boring.

[vagabond]

Where's the bloke?

https://youtu.be/Tv0ueEI4OBQ?si=mriYc4hOug3kiW5S

[ryanb741]

Leaves Sam Allardyce as the only England manager with a 100% win record.

[thieuster]

I understand that Klopp was asked. And he's not going to do it. So, there's only on opportunity left: ask Koeman. You can have him. We will even tie a ribbon around him if you like.

[NikGixer750]

I understand that Klopp was asked. And he's not going to do it. So, there's only on opportunity left: ask Koeman. You can have him. We will even tie a ribbon around him if you like.

Klopp would be ideal tbh, could see them winning the WC with him in charge.

[xxnick1975]

Interesting interview from Eddie Howe today, simultaneously leveraging his position at Newcastle and opening the door to the England job.

Would also then allow Newcastle to upgrade to someone like Tuchel

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[Gareth-W]

Job advert here;

https://careers.thefa.com/jobs/vacan...7/description/

[TaketheCannoli]

As you would. He's obviously going to want some assurances on transfer funds and ambition just in case. We should remember that there's an application process for the England job so he'll need to discuss whether he's applying with our sporting director and that's where the transfer funds conversation will need to happen.

I wouldn't blame him for going to England. He's England's best coach currently and will know his value. If he gets the salary Southgate got it'll be a considerable pay rise. I'm more concerned about how quickly / smoothly we could replace him given how long the England recruitment might take.

However, as I've said before, I'm convinced Lee Carsley will be the next manager.

Interesting interview from Eddie Howe today, simultaneously leveraging his position at Newcastle and opening the door to the England job.

Would also then allow Newcastle to upgrade to someone like Tuchel

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[BillyCasper]

I'm convinced Lee Carsley will be the next manager.

Got to be a strong contender, has won a Euro with the likes of Trafford, Palmer, Gordon, knows the potential of England’s younger players.

It’s the FA, they’ll pick Phil Neville.


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[TaketheCannoli]

Haha, imagine! The likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Neville and Rooney have been mentioned in dispatches but shouldn't be anywhere near the conversation.

Got to be a strong contender, has won a Euro with the likes of Trafford, Palmer, Gordon, knows the potential of England’s younger players.

It’s the FA, they’ll pick Phil Neville.


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[xxnick1975]

Interesting job spec. Rules out Graham Potter thank god

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[noTAGlove]

Interesting job spec. Rules out Graham Potter thank god

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They aren’t going to get someone to tick all the boxes. It is just a wish list for someone who doesn’t exist, who doesn’t want the job, or they can’t afford.

[xxnick1975]

They aren’t going to get someone to tick all the boxes. It is just a wish list for someone who doesn’t exist, who doesn’t want the job, or they can’t afford.

Glass half full and all that!

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[Mj2k]

Glass half full and all that!

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Mr positive again isn’t he, our own TZ ray of sunshine.

[learningtofly]

Got to be Eddie Howe for me. Fingers crossed.

[noTAGlove]

Glass half full and all that!

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Which boxes did Southgate retrospectively tick on that job description? Certainly not all of them!

[xxnick1975]

Which boxes did Southgate retrospectively tick on that job description? Certainly not all of them!

Assuming he had the UEFA licence, all of them I think

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[watchcollector1]

You may be sick to death of the Euros and debates on Southgate now but here's a great analysis from Four Four Two on Gareth Southgate's time as England manager. The reasons why he was exactly the right manager for England in the early to mid period of his reign, why the 2022 World Cup was his best tournament (something I've argued since then) and why this was definitely the right time for him to go.

It also discusses reason why the new manager still cannot be expected to go out and dominate tournaments in the way the top footballing nations like France, Germany, Spain, Argentina, etc have.

Definitely worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/aICmSV2Q27w?feature=shared

[thieuster]

t also discusses reason why the new manager still cannot be expected to go out and dominate tournaments in the way the top footballing nations like France, Germany, Spain, Argentina, etc have.

Argentina... Not the EUROs thread, but check Morocco-Argentina as opening game of the Olympics. No spoilers, but the VAR during this game...