Reply With QuoteYup agreed...England seemed to run out of steam somewhat in the 2nd half...that niggling fitness issue perhaps...be interesting to see how they fair up against the young, fit, better Spaniards.Originally Posted by OldHooky
Certainly wasn't end to end stuff. More like side to side. A fairly tedious watch with the odd moment of excitement thrown in.
Yup agreed...England seemed to run out of steam somewhat in the 2nd half...that niggling fitness issue perhaps...be interesting to see how they fair up against the young, fit, better Spaniards.
If you watch a replay you can see Phil Foden with his arm up once Harry is on the ground and Bellingham draws the ref's attention to it too.
You changed my mind, though it still seems harsh.
Saying that a lot of the new rules/VAR seems harsh so it probaly balances itself out in the long run.
I don’t think so, I think it more a case of Dutch changes cancelling out England first half superiority.
And I’m not sure when the rules changed to state that a penalty can only be awarded if players appeal.
No, it shouldn't, and it isn't.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
Just an aside/ observation really didn't Bellingham blatantly shove a Dutchie in the back after the bloke'd got past him fair and square, 2nd half this was I think...very poor conduct imo...
Last edited by Passenger; 11th July 2024 at 10:27.
Could be the squad changes Dave as you suggest. Moot really innit now in fairness. Hopefully Sunday's ref is even handed.
Onwards to Sunday.
I'm for watching it on the big screen in our neighbourhood association bar/ restaurant, should be a good laugh, atmos...cerveza's are certainly the right price, frosted glasses straight from freezer, bonus.
That sounds like a great day, enjoy!!
I'm for watching it on the big screen in our neighbourhood association bar/ restaurant, should be a good laugh, atmos...cerveza's are certainly the right price, frosted glasses straight from freezer, bonus.
Have a look at the infringement. Pause at 40 seconds then use the < and > keys to step forwards / backwards by one frame at a time. The defense move looks like something out of MMA. You can also see at least four England players immediately appeal to the ref.
Anyway, the was it / wasn't it question has now been definitvely answered. GBNews says it wasn't a penalty, so it definitely was.
Thanks and you too.
Yes looking at it again the defenders leg is moving towards Kane's leg, if he misses the ball (which he does) he's always going to make contact with Kane. I would says it is an attempted tackle not just a block. It's a penalty for me.
One of the good things in the tournament has been the absence of VAR getting involved in ridiculous decisions and giving penalties for nothing especially the hand ball incidents
Nobody would have batted an eyelid on this when it was correctly not given.
Ref should have stuck to his guns when going to the monitor.
It obviously was not correctly not given; both the VAR team and the referee ultimately decided it WAS a penalty.
That's hardly a glowing endorsement!
Can you imagine the uproar if the penalty decision had been the other way around and the Netherlands were awarded a pen for the same event.
Christ guys, who gives a rats arse?
Too many times we’ve gone out on a dodgy ref decision, disallowed goal, etc etc
It was a penalty given and it was dispatched really well. We won 2-1, we’re in the final.
Who cares, let’s take the win and look forward to winning something FFS.
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The penalty was harsh - but who cares payback for 92 koeman (who I will add was hugely gracious in defeat didnt moan about it conceded we were very good on the night etc)
Maradonna handball, campbells goal in 2004, lampards over the line, etc etc you need the breaks to win tournaments and we got it
I was at Box Park Wembley last night and the atmosphere was electric throughout and what a way to win the scenes were amazing!!!
No mention of the Russian linesman in there.
Some days you're the statue, some days you're the seagull.
https://youtu.be/o5QlBHF6ib8?si=RRmhkYfJY05KcSi2
Take the win and STFU.
... and some days you're the trawler.
Anyway are we still sacking Southgate?
Watkins and Palmer looked dynamite when they came on, they should definitely start on Sunday.
Re the penalty, pretty obvious to me, studs up challenge in the box? Foul anywhere else on the pitch, do it in the box it's a pen.
Foden incredibly unlucky with his two efforts.
Cheers,
Neil.
Or Yuri Geller...
Who will you be cheering for Spain or England?Could be the squad changes Dave as you suggest. Moot really innit now in fairness. Hopefully Sunday's ref is even handed.
Onwards to Sunday.
I'm for watching it on the big screen in our neighbourhood association bar/ restaurant, should be a good laugh, atmos...cerveza's are certainly the right price, frosted glasses straight from freezer, bonus.
Judging by his various threads and comments, he'll be cheering Spain...
NOT A CHANCE hell make wholesale changes like that and why would he???
the only possible change for me is shaw for Trippier as i think the balance of the team is better but I expect hell start the same team
His subs have all worked he trusts the players and the subs to do the job - and its worked for him
Can’t support England, Charlie boy (sorry, HRH Charlie boy) has wished them luck!
That's the spirit
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
Whoever wins
Azerbaijanis get quite indignant if you call him Russian.
I don't think it was a penalty but your side played a decent game (at last!) and Watkins' goal was fantastic. Just a shame it had to be against us.
You're going to need a miracle this Sunday though.
Having reflected for 24 hours I'd have to concede that it's a penalty in the modern game. I don't agree but I understand why it was given. If Kane was passing that ball down the line and, after the ball was played, Dumfries catches him in the way he did then it's given as a foul every time.
Look for footage 5 secs before the incident. Saka touches the ball with hands (plural!).
Oh FFS! Viva Espana!!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...land-win-euros
Keir Starmer has said he wants to “mark the occasion” if England win the Euros football tournament, after the team beat the Netherlands to secure a place in Sunday’s final.
However, the prime minister stopped short of confirming there would be a bank holiday if Gareth Southgate’s team emerged victorious from their final against Spain, saying that he did not want to “jinx” the outcome.
The Liberal Democrats have led calls for an extra bank holiday after England claimed a 2-1 victory over the Netherlands on Wednesday.
Starmer previously supported calls for a bank holiday when England’s women’s football team made it to the World Cup final last year.
He had one foot up to block a shot - other foot was on the ground. Not reckless not out of control and trying to clear the ball not swinging towards the attacker. Kanes follow through hit him. Looks a perfectly natural attempt to block by the defender to me
As for studs up sorry but that’s not studs up. You can see it’s his toe that is almost contacting the ball. Lane strikes the studs from the bottom up - his studs are facing the turf in the picture above. And let’s not forget Saka handled it twice a second before which the ref and var team conveniently ignored completely. Good luck to England but justifying this penalty as a correct decision is laughable. The hand ball is here https://twitter.com/Tribalgooner91/s...63220318785823
Last edited by RustyBin5; 12th July 2024 at 08:21.
Well I do live in Spain, have done for the last 13 years, and I love it. The Spanish lads have played with skill and passion beating the likes of France and Germany to deservedly win their place in the final. The England teams performance has been decidedly unimpressive, extra time, penalty merchants, dodgy Ref assistance...as one comment I read the other day eloquently put it... To try and compare Spain's performance with England´s is like comparing marmalade with poop, well in fairness he used the S word but G n D . Chuckle.
Viva Espana...consider it a kindness, the last thing you lot need is another Bank Holiday, it will only rain.
As for both feet off the ground, rewind a few frames, Dumfries is "landing" in your pic.He had one foot up to block a shot - other foot was on the ground. Not reckless not out of control and trying to clear the ball not swinging towards the attacker. Kanes follow through hit him. Looks a perfectly natural attempt to block by the defender to me
As for studs up sorry but that’s not studs up. You can see it’s his toe that is almost contacting the ball. Lane strikes the studs from the bottom up - his studs are facing the turf in the picture above. And let’s not forget Saka handled it twice a second before which the ref and var team conveniently ignored completely. Good luck to England but justifying this penalty as a correct decision is laughable. The hand ball is here https://twitter.com/Tribalgooner91/s...63220318785823
Obviously a product of the Max Verstappen school of tackling
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Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
He had one foot up to block a shot - other foot was on the ground. Not reckless not out of control and trying to clear the ball not swinging towards the attacker. Kanes follow through hit him. Looks a perfectly natural attempt to block by the defender to me
As for studs up sorry but that’s not studs up. You can see it’s his toe that is almost contacting the ball. Lane strikes the studs from the bottom up - his studs are facing the turf in the picture above. And let’s not forget Saka handled it twice a second before which the ref and var team conveniently ignored completely. Good luck to England but justifying this penalty as a correct decision is laughable. The hand ball is here https://twitter.com/Tribalgooner91/s...63220318785823
Could not see many Dutch players appealing for hand ball. Never going to be given sorry
It is what it is, on to the final and hopefully a nice surprise.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
Is it absolutely conclusive from the video that the ball touches his hand, though, because it doesn't change trajectory? Maybe VAR did check it and couldn't be sure or checked the snickometer? I'd be interested to hear their explanation.He had one foot up to block a shot - other foot was on the ground. Not reckless not out of control and trying to clear the ball not swinging towards the attacker. Kanes follow through hit him. Looks a perfectly natural attempt to block by the defender to me
As for studs up sorry but that’s not studs up. You can see it’s his toe that is almost contacting the ball. Lane strikes the studs from the bottom up - his studs are facing the turf in the picture above. And let’s not forget Saka handled it twice a second before which the ref and var team conveniently ignored completely. Good luck to England but justifying this penalty as a correct decision is laughable. The hand ball is here https://twitter.com/Tribalgooner91/s...63220318785823
I heard an interesting argument that if Harry's shot was on target the ball would've hit the defenders foot so it would've been a good block. It's a minefield with all the different aspects, difficult for VAR to consider everything in a short space of time. I'd still say if the defender is jumping towards the ball and Harry, it's an attempted tackle and he has to get to the ball first.
Football isn't played in still images, yours is selective. At the point of contact the boot is almost vertical, that's studs up to me.He had one foot up to block a shot - other foot was on the ground. Not reckless not out of control and trying to clear the ball not swinging towards the attacker. Kanes follow through hit him. Looks a perfectly natural attempt to block by the defender to me
As for studs up sorry but that’s not studs up. You can see it’s his toe that is almost contacting the ball. Lane strikes the studs from the bottom up - his studs are facing the turf in the picture above. And let’s not forget Saka handled it twice a second before which the ref and var team conveniently ignored completely. Good luck to England but justifying this penalty as a correct decision is laughable. The hand ball is here https://twitter.com/Tribalgooner91/s...63220318785823
Last edited by cbh; 12th July 2024 at 15:10.
Missing the point - VAR reviewed the tackle and preceding moments. How they can miss the handball(s) is strange at best.
It literally bends Sakas right hand fingers back. Very clear on that hand at least and other footage showed it hit both
Yes I've seen it from another angle now, it's his right hand that contacts the ball as it bounces up from the ground. There's no way he could have avoided that unless he only had one arm though and his arm was in a natural position. The referee didn't give the handball so it wouldn't be a clear and obvious error for VAR to overule (unlike not giving the foul on Kane).It literally bends his fingers back. Very clear on that hand at least and other footage showed it hit both
If his raised left arm / hand catches it, that's handball but I'm not sure it does.
Last edited by watchcollector1; 12th July 2024 at 16:58.
I think it’s pretty clear from the amount of professionals that are saying it’s never a penalty (including former England players) that the supposed foul on Kane wasn’t a clear and obvious error either. Anyway lots of people don’t agree either way so it’s a talking point. I just honestly think if a Dutch player had handled twice and then had a shot that kicked an English defender resulting in a Dutch penalty the views of quite a few would be the polar opposite- understandable of course.
I'm detecting a certain amount of sour grapes in this case.
Is that what they make Scottish wine 🍷 with?! 😂
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