OP, good luck with your search.
Like you, I'm buying my first Porsche later this year.
Over the last few months, I've done an enormous amount of reading on the subject and I think I've narrowed it down to a manual 997S Gen 2 or a 991.1S, but haven't ruled out a 981 Cayman S if i can't find the right 911 in the spec I want.
If you can buy one from a reputable independent such as RPM Technik, Harbour cars et al, then I would go that route if your budget allows, but I think it should be stressed how important it is to have a pre- purchase inspection carried out prior to purchase by a reputable Porsche qualified person.
These cars are well capable of draining ones wallet at a rapid pace, so it's important you know what you are getting into and prioritise a comprehensive service history - preferably by official Porsche Dealer or Independent Porsche specialist over a car with low mileage and patchy service history.
I look forward to reading more about your search.
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Oh go on then.
I don’t keep the wing up, was freshly washed!
Bought just before first lockdown and still feels special every time I start it up, in a way my M4 never did, but the Z4M always did - something about it just being unique as a platform and not a more powerful version of a rep mobile, god knows.
M4 always wanted to kill me, this inspires so much confidence it is almost a danger from the other end of the spectrum.
If the current style targa drops below 50k it would be tempting to cash in watches and go nuts. Seem to be about 65k currently.
Been down the same road mentally many times and the 997.2 PDK is the standout but they’re almost the same price as the 991.1 and sometimes even more. Nonsensical but I would want the four seats of a 911.
I’m currently in the same situation flitting between 981, 718 and 991.
The question of mileage is one I’ve been trying to get my head around. Of course a well maintained high mileage car is fine and arguably all cars are better when not sat stationary for prolonged periods, so I’m not against them. However the cars with 70k plus on them seem to hang around for sale for some time so it appears the Porsche market don’t like high miles, even though 981 and 991 are more than 10 years old now.
I’m just conscious of buying one in that 70k bracket then it nearing 100k when I eventually want a change!
Ross
If you just want a Porsche badge, get a cheap Boxster (You'll probably enjoy it anyway).
Me, I've never liked 911s (I don't like the way they look and I don't like the way they drive, just me and they all seem to be expensive, because most people seem to love them or the idea of them), so I'd be looking for a nice 6 cylinder Cayman, personally.
Or you could go the classic route and get a 928 before they get too expensive to even consider or perhaps a good 944/968? I'd love an S1 928 - I'm sure the later ones are 'better', but the 928 was like a flying saucer when it was launched!
Enjoy, whatever you get.
M
Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?
I think that's true of all s/h cars to be honest, though doubtless slightly pronounced in that sector. One reads on the age/mileage equation that newer/higher mileage is generally better than older/lower mileage etc, but somehow when it comes to buying it's hard not to fetishise mileage as a simple index of 'worn' ...Originally Posted by Bigstam
This is exactly the thoughts I have.
The other nagging thought is 'investment' potential, which clouds judgment. I guess a 'properly' specced 981 S is the sweet spot from that POV.
Zero investment potential.
If you mean which will depreciate the least it will be the 981.
Spring is coming, really looking forward to getting this out of the garage again.
That's exactly what I meant.
Miami blue with Carrera wheels
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And the GTS 911 we had...
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Engine at the rear seemed silly but everything jacked up by 6” seemed a good idea?
Does one have to presuppose the other?
Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?
Well he did say he wouldn't go for a 911 but was thinking about a Macan.Does one have to presuppose the other?
Yes. One is designed with speed and handling supposedly among the first requirements, and one isn't. See if you can work out which is which.
Just to be clear, I like the way the rear engined models look mostly, and appreciate them as really nice cars. They just didn't appeal to me with the engine at the back, like the weird love child of a VW beetle and a Renault Alpine. Mind you, someone who owned a '76 Trans Am 4 speed manual in the '80s probably isn't a benchmark of good taste.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
You're obviously right that it's not the ideal place to put the engine but I sort of admire the pigheaded approach of the Porsche engineers. They've done a pretty good job with an arse about face idea too!Yes. One is designed with speed and handling supposedly among the first requirements, and one isn't. See if you can work out which is which.
Just to be clear, I like the way the rear engined models look mostly, and appreciate them as really nice cars. They just didn't appeal to me with the engine at the back, like the weird love child of a VW beetle and a Renault Alpine. Mind you, someone who owned a '76 Trans Am 4 speed manual in the '80s probably isn't a benchmark of good taste.
Most of us don't get anywhere near the handling limits of these cars anyway so it's all about personal preference really.
Agreed.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I’ve also been toying with the same idea as the OP.
The 911 (997.2) appeal to heart and head but I’m still drawn to a Macan as we have family and dog. Does anyone have any experience or ever put their dog in a 911? Is this madness to consider?
The 911 seems like it would hold value but may cost more to run and the Macan the other way round. Am I wrong in this thinking also?
Depends how good a driver the dog is tbh.
Depends if you have extended warranty on Macan and pay extortionate rates for OPC service.
Generally though I would think you are right.
Ha! She’s a good girl
Is it just me that thinks cross shopping a 911 and a Mscan is very odd? They are very different cars with very different use cases.
Head vs. heart.
Was looking at macans the other day as my 911 fund is getting feasted on by everyone but me.
The boot space vs a Model Y seems minuscule if that’s a concern. Roughly 500L on the Macan and 850L on the Model Y. Killed it for me.
Really think the E43 estate could be the best of all worlds but it isn’t a Porsche.
It's not, but badge aside, there are plenty of decent boot space stuff that are equally entertaining. M5 touring as one example - personally I would go Alpina B5 Twin Turbo Touring.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Audi Q5 or Macan would be a better comparison.
Problem with Porsche is similar to Rolex. If you want a Submariner, no amount of Black Bays or Pelagos will do. You'll still want the Rolex.
If you want a 911, and get a Boxter, Cayman or even a Macan, every time you see a 911 you'll wish you were driving that instead.
Personally I think the current Carrera is one of the best looking cars on the road and the one to get, if you can.
Get that, been there - and was still not convinced that when I scratched the itch I had actually properly scratched it!
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
If I wanted a 911 I would never consider a Macan but again I guess it depends on your use case for the car. If I wanted a very practical fast car that handles well it would be Audi rs4/6.
Fair point
The 911 on stilts statement about a Macan is bullshit.
Macan is an amazing car but it's not a sports car.
Never had an RS4 or RS6 but from what I've heard the RS4 doesn't have a lot of space.
Use case being my Porsche fund is vanishing and I dont like my Model Y so perhaps I could combine and scratch half an itch
I don’t think I have the budget for an M or RS car and can’t stand the bucket seats either. Just want some luxury with a bit of grunt.
The Alpina BMWs are well reviewed. Might test drive in a few weeks, just planting seeds with the wife first as it would be her car going.
Whilst I find his delivery a little irritating, he has driven a lot of stuff.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
The Macan Turbo on here a few weeks ago for 35K was a great buy.
Think Robert bought it.
Lot to like about that one .
This is the model y boot after some basic supermarket shopping (ignore the weird muffs). Pathetic. Granted you have another boot in the bonnet but who can be bothered with that.
I miss the glc but that boot wouldn’t cut it these days. Doubt I can afford a decent GLE but would feel like a twat driving one. A nice estate has luxury without any ostentatiousness.
I had a C8 RS6 as a courtesy car back in 2021 whilst my F10 M5 was in for an insurance repair.
It was a phenomenal vehicle in every sense. The traction was absolutely incredible. The load space was great and it just seemed so well put together.
I have always lusted after the C6 version though, with the twin-turbocharged Gallardo V10. One day, maybe. I was very close to buying a 996 turbo a couple of years ago, but I preferred the noise of a V8 or V10. I think a 911 is an itch I want to scratch but not quite there yet.
Watching that now but a 67k for a 2021 with 19k miles on Autotrader for a B3, 95k for a new one. Can’t even see a B5. Definitely can’t afford these but they are definitely discrete for what they are which is nice.
To be fair if you're going to pack messages like that your going to need a transit if you have a 2nd.This is the model y boot after some basic supermarket shopping (ignore the weird muffs). Pathetic. Granted you have another boot in the bonnet but who can be bothered with that.
I miss the glc but that boot wouldn’t cut it these days. Doubt I can afford a decent GLE but would feel like a twat driving one. A nice estate has luxury without any ostentatiousness.
Those messages would have fitted in one shopping bag.
Forgot to bring the shopping bags to Costco and got caught out
Probably some halo/horn at play as I just don’t like the Model Y
I have seen reviews and all say the same. The boot space off the rs4 is surprisingly small.
If you want a Porsche then as we all know it’s best to get a Porsche. I would just save up and get the one you want and buy the hands that keep pillaging the funds to deter them 🤪
My neighbour has a GLE 63s in black - it's a beautiful car (and less noisy on start up than the X5M that preceded it - that shook my whole house every time it fired up). Whilst it's clearly not a cheap car, I've never thought it ostentatious.
I've never been that interested in Cayenne or Macan, they are sporty SUV's, but not sports cars. I find sporty SUV's kind of a moot point and I've gone for BMW SUV's, which also drive fine, have luxuries and are a bit cheaper. However, 718 and 911 are a different thing, they are real sport cars and there are not many cars that can match them.
One I would recommend to anyone is to do the Porsche experience at Silverstone, i've just been and done 90 mins in a Carrera T. Wow what an experience!
Go and do that and you'll have a full brain worm for a 911.
Fair point as is his about Pontiac Trans Ams
That said, I don't like 911s either... You either get them or you don't, I guess.
M
PS I wouldn't drive any SUV, though.
Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?
I found this admission to be a real head scratcher.
Yes I brought it and really enjoying it so far - coming from an M4 competition that wants to kill you any time you touch the throttle the macan PP - offers premium luxury, much better view of the road, more grunt and all while floating along comfortably - I got inb the M4 at the weekend and hated it
had a few Porsches over the years. Currently have a 996 Turbo, but full hairdresser version; auto & convertible!
these are pretty good value and well sorted if they've been looked after; just get a good indy as others have said and it's not a bad experience at all. They are very analogue by todays standards but kick from the turbos is great fun and you have 4 wheel drive to stop it trying to kill you at every turn.
When i bought it 10 years ago it was still under warranty and I had the use of a few Boxsters and Caymans during services and have to say they are great fun and not as bloated as the 911 has become. There is always possibly that feeling that you need to tick the 911 box to have truly done Porsche but given the proportions of that later models I think the smaller cars are nearer to what a sports car driver would want.
Also had Cayenne's for 16 years and being 6'5" with a big dog, absolutely loved the ugly big lump.
Try an F-Pace P400e. 400bhp can be amusing.Fair point as is his about Pontiac Trans Ams
That said, I don't like 911s either... You either get them or you don't, I guess.
M
PS I wouldn't drive any SUV, though.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Not showing off but I'm a veteran Porsche owner. 3 x 986, 2 x 987, 981, 997TBO and 992GTS. I currently own a 964 & 718 4.0GTS. Also own a XC60. I think I know where you're coming from.
From what you've said, a standard 991 or 981 would be a good choice. You get the 6 cylinders and these care are a little more refined than 987/997.
RPM are expensive. Friends green, MR sportscars and Ray Northway in particular are good people to deal with. Servicing is cost effective with good independents. Finding the right spec is very important. You want to be enjoying the car, not lamenting the wrong spec. If you're bothered about out and out performance an 'S' model is important, if you just want to pootle around a standard model is fine.
With the 981 or 991 miles is not a problem. A poor history is. History is everything. My ideal choice for an older car is perfect history with good independents. If you're doing miles then buy low mileage, if you're not then high mileage is ok.
To understand how simple maintenance is, this is a good set of videos.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...wfvhS5clTdOjY_
if you want a helping hand on WhatsApp, PM me your mobile. I don't check in often on the forum.
I am a big believer in making a list of wants from a car and not just buying the badge. The Porsche range is quite extensive, especially when you take into account that older models aren't superseded in many areas, as tech and legislation makes the more recent models different, not necessarily better. So yes, first step is deciding the size and practicality, soft or hard top, but then you have to look at the engine and its position, then turbo or not, rear or AWD, manual or PDK/tiptronic, and hydraulic steering or electric. This last point is hard to describe without driving the cars, but was a major factor in my decision to get a 997 (hydraulic) over the 991 (electric), but there are circumstances and types of use where electric is better, such as dealing with puddles and potholes. Even though my 997 Turbo is AWD, I still prefer the steering feel to even the 991 GT3, but I can't fault the electric steering, I just find it too clinical.
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