Those among us of a certain age may well want to be sitting down after reading this ......
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/clas...75-yamaha-fs1e
Originally Posted by Jega
No surprise to me at all.
When I was a teenager in the mid-80's Fizzies were the holy grail of 50cc mopeds due to the ease of derestricting them, so that you could reach as much as a heady 50mph with a following wind.
Although their owners usually claimed they could hit 60 plus!
So clever my foot fell off.
The scooter looks a better bet
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I was looking at the auction prices of cars that I have owned in the past ('80s &'90s)
Wish I had the workshop space to have kept them and looked after them!
- Escort RS1600i
- Escort RS Turbo Mk1
- Sierrra RS Cosworth 3dr
- Mercedes 190 2.5-16 Cosworth
Amazing prices these days !!
Yeah, a mate upgraded from a Puch Maxi to one of these (we could out run the Puch on push bikes!) and swore he could get 70 if he laid flat on the tank.No surprise to me at all.
When I was a teenager in the mid-80's Fizzies were the holy grail of 50cc mopeds due to the ease of derestricting them, so that you could reach as much as a heady 50mph with a following wind.
Although their owners usually claimed they could hit 60 plus!
I was, however, impressed with the 350LC he replaced it with, a proper classic now.
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Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?
Ah yes those heady days of Raleigh Runabout’s, FS1E’s, NSU Quickly’s, Garelli’s and all the others we zoomed around on at phenomenal speeds!
Halogen days indeed Rodney.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Didn’t the posh boys get Kreidler in this country? Malaguti?
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Every car or bike I've sold has gone up in value afterwards. Every one I've kept keeps going down.
Any moped registered before August 1st 1977 wasn't restricted, so any fizzie built before then wouldn't have required derestricting. They did, however, have to be able to be pedalled which meant having a clunky folding pedal/footrest arrangement, also seen on the Honda SS50 and Suzuki AP50. From S registration onwards all UK mopeds were restricted to 31mph but the archaic requirement for them to be able to be pedalled was dropped so they lost the clunky arrangement as well as the top speed, and gained footrests.No surprise to me at all.
When I was a teenager in the mid-80's Fizzies were the holy grail of 50cc mopeds due to the ease of derestricting them, so that you could reach as much as a heady 50mph with a following wind.
Although their owners usually claimed they could hit 60 plus!
I’m sure I’ve mentioned it before, at least a decade back a farmer mate of mine started collecting what I could only describe as ‘crap cars’ and started storing them in one of his big barns.
He’s got an Allegro, old Fiesta’s and Escort’s, more modern stuff like a Mk1 Civic Type R, and various other run of the mill cars from the 70’s and 80’s in some very unpopular colours, but all in great condition.
They’re worth a lot of money now, I used to give him quite the ribbing at the time over a pint, but not any more!
I must get over there and get some pics to share.
Over here the alternative "cool" mopeds were either the Garelli Tiger Cross, the Fantic Caballero, The Gilera Trial and Puch Grand Prix Special. One lad I knew had an AJW Wolfhound which looked very purposeful back then!
I don't think anyone has mentioned the AP50, always seemed to be the fastest whatever we did.
Vintage stuff fetches big money currently.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Ahem...
Only in passing admittedly! A mate of mine had one in red and it was the fastest out of all the mopeds in our group back then.
I seem to remember that the caballero was a trail (I think we called it enduro then) bike.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Not quite, my brother was sixteen on the 5th August and hit a brand new, unrestricted TY50, reg LVH21T
I got it a year later for my 16th and my mate got a new restricted one on a V plate.
His restricted bike was usually faster than my unrestricted one!
Ridiculous price.
But it's what the market will stand I suppose.
The sad thing is, the FS1E wasn't fast, comfortable, practical or particularly comfortable.
Lot of money to evoke a memory imho.
Au contraire! Yamaha TY50's were first sold in the UK in Early 1976 and as such had pedals and were unrestricted. Come August 1st they lost the pedals and were restricted.
If your Brothers TY50 carried registration LVH21T, that indicates it was registered between Aug 1st 1978 and Jul 31st 1979 and as such it would have had to confirm to the law at the time, i.e. restricted to 31mph. Even if he'd found an previous model TY50 that remained unsold and unregistered (which being registered on a T plate would have had to have remained unsold for over a year), by law it would still have had to have been restricted if registered after Aug 1st 1977.
Despite the above, in those days it was a simple job to derestrict the TY50's (as it was most of the mopeds) because it was a simple matter of just removing the restrictor orifice in the inlet manifold. Your brothers would have had full power if this had been done and I think virtually every moped sold back then was derestricted after initial purchase. In fact the dealer where my pal bought his, de-restricted it for him before he rode his away which was completely against the law but quite common practice if the dealer trusted the buyer not to squeak!
All of the ones I mentioned were trials machines apart from the Puch which was a road "racer" in the JPS colours.
'Fast, comfortable, practical or particularly comfortable' aren't important to a 16 year old who thinks it makes him look cool in front of the girlies at the village disco.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I’m struggling here; my brother was born on 5th August 1962 and got a new TY50 with pedals for his sixteenth birthday on 5th August 1978. It was a T reg. I got the bike in November 1979 and my mate got a brand new one at the same time. His had footpegs, mine had pedals.
I know that I have the dates right and I also know that mine had pedals.
The above is fact, I’m not confused and I’m not wrong with the dates.
I know that everything written on the internet says September 1977 but that doesn’t tally up with what I know to be true.
The only explanation that I can think of is that the legislation was passed in 1977 but not implemented until 1978. I remember the legislation well and have no recollection of anything being amiss with my brothers bike.
I can happily say I sat in each of these cars whilst serving in Germany in the 90's
It was a great time to be posted in Germany in the 90's with these kick ass cars knocking around.
The best was the rs1600i
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I’m not doubting your recollection Dave, the bike could still have pedals and be restricted if it was older stock that hadn’t sold. All it took was the dealer to fit the orifice plate to allow it to be sold, the plate could then be removed straight after. I presume the dealer could even sell the bike without fitting the plate, it’s not beyond the bounds of possibility. The fact remains that to comply with the law, mopeds sold after August 1st 1977 were meant to be restricted to 31mph. Like you I’m not relying on the internet, I was 16 in July 1977 and remember the legislation being bought in as it wouldn’t have affected me if I’d decided to buy a new moped on my birthday. As it happens I decided to buy a 1973 Honda SS50!
Given that this was all nearly fifty years ago and in light of all the evidence, I’m going to have to accept that my recollection of the exact timing of the law change must be wrong, even though my brothers, then my bike, had pedals.
I do remember always being a little envious of my mate as his bike looked so much better without the clunky pedal arrangement.
My Garelli Record would be worth a small fortune now. I paid £88 for it new! :)
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