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    Quote Originally Posted by Meesterbond View Post
    Barring injury it'll be Maguire and Stones at CB for the Euros. International managers get so little time with the players they need to know that the players know what they want and familiarity is probably more important than absolute form. Stone and Maguire have played 16 of the last 19 tournament games together and conceded less than a goal a game (albeit as 2 of a back three several times). No one else has yet made any sort of case to replace them. If he was going to replace Maguire then the time to do it was the last few international friendlies.

    I'm not a great fan of Maguire and wouldn't want him at my club but I can see the logic behind Southgate starting him.

    This is completely accurate and something I agree with, no way is a manager going to tinker with CB's going into a tournament and certainly not Safegate

    Im a Utd fan and totally aware of Maguires capabilities - he gets pelters left, right and centre and is an easy target in my eyes - the fee isnt his fault - he plays through injury, doesnt shy away from interviews after games etc etc and I think hes done ok for England in the main

    We love to blame someone in this country and if you look back over Englands failings in tournaments its usually because one of ours

    Beckham, Phil Neville, Rooney etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bertb00th View Post
    This is completely accurate and something I agree with, no way is a manager going to tinker with CB's going into a tournament and certainly not Safegate

    Im a Utd fan and totally aware of Maguires capabilities - he gets pelters left, right and centre and is an easy target in my eyes - the fee isnt his fault - he plays through injury, doesnt shy away from interviews after games etc etc and I think hes done ok for England in the main

    We love to blame someone in this country and if you look back over Englands failings in tournaments its usually because one of ours

    Beckham, Phil Neville, Rooney etc etc
    Rooney the best player this countries ever produced in my opinion.

    Genuinely outrageous player individually and also as a fantastic team player.

    At 16-20 he was phenomenal in terms of the terror he brought to defenses when he was on the ball.

    Arguably the most well rounded striker to ever play the game, could do everything.

    Up there with the greats of global football for me.


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    He's definitely up there but I'd go Bobby Charlton for England's greatest ever player.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    Rooney the best player this countries ever produced in my opinion.

    Genuinely outrageous player individually and also as a fantastic team player.

    At 16-20 he was phenomenal in terms of the terror he brought to defenses when he was on the ball.

    Arguably the most well rounded striker to ever play the game, could do everything.

    Up there with the greats of global football for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    Rooney the best player this countries ever produced in my opinion.

    Genuinely outrageous player individually and also as a fantastic team player.

    At 16-20 he was phenomenal in terms of the terror he brought to defenses when he was on the ball.

    Arguably the most well rounded striker to ever play the game, could do everything.

    Up there with the greats of global football for me.


    You have heard of guys like Messi,Ronaldo(Brazilian and Portuguese),Pele,Puskas,etc.
    No arguably about it.
    He wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    He's definitely up there but I'd go Bobby Charlton for England's greatest ever player.
    I'd agree with that coupled with Bobby Moore.

    Great though Rooney was he was a part of the "golden generation" of England players along with Gerrard, Lampard et al that never won anything.
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    Hood when did you ever see Messi or Ronaldo putting a defensive shift in ?

    Ever see them making 80 yards sprints to tackle wingers on the edge of their own 18 yards box.

    Rooneys all round game was far superior to both Messi and Ronaldo.

    Messi and Ronaldo have been the best “attacking” players.

    Rooney in my opinion had everything you could want in a footballer.


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    Rooney problems were mostly off the field, bit of a p155head and then his cock got him in trouble when boozed up. Not unusual for young men, but not the best for an elite athlete

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    This is like watching Arsenal - just have a shot man!!

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    We are Refereed differently .


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    I thought City looked spent today, leggy and slow. Hardly surprising really and not just because they played 120 minutes on Wednesday, rather last season and this catching up with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    I thought City looked spent today, leggy and slow. Hardly surprising really and not just because they played 120 minutes on Wednesday, rather last season and this catching up with them.
    Absolutely.
    If only all the team had asthma eh ?


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    What does that mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    If only all the team had asthma eh ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    What does that mean?
    I believe he's referring to the alleged high incidence of asthma suffered by players of one particular Merseyside-based team. Asthma sufferers are allowed to take asthma medication which so happens to have performance enhancing properties in terms of oxygen transfer. One might argue that for a team that likes to press aggressively and play at an intense tempo that this could be an advantage.

    Allegedly.

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    Ah right, thanks Ryan. So not Everton, Tranmere or Marine then?

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I believe he's referring to the alleged high incidence of asthma suffered by players of one particular Merseyside-based team. Asthma sufferers are allowed to take asthma medication which so happens to have performance enhancing properties in terms of oxygen transfer. One might argue that for a team that likes to press aggressively and play at an intense tempo that this could be an advantage.

    Allegedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I believe he's referring to the alleged high incidence of asthma suffered by players of one particular Merseyside-based team. Asthma sufferers are allowed to take asthma medication which so happens to have performance enhancing properties in terms of oxygen transfer. One might argue that for a team that likes to press aggressively and play at an intense tempo that this could be an advantage.

    Allegedly.
    Wait , what ?
    Scandalous accusations sir .

    Anyway . Arsenal are shiite. :)

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    They're top of the league!

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    Anyway . Arsenal are shiite. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    Rooney ...

    Arguably the most well rounded striker to ever play the game, could do everything.
    What a fascinating thought and one that's never occurred to me. Now it has I'm struggling to think of anyone better in that specific regard.
    Each of the mega-greats had no inclination to do certain elements of the game (often defensively) but in Rooney you had someone capable of everything. Speak to any of the Man United squad who played with him and they all say he could have played in any position and been outstanding (he was even, apparently, an unbelievable goalkeeper).
    He could score all types. Tap-ins, headers, left foot, right foot, piledrivers, lobs, dinks, passed-finishes etc. He could run. He could tackle. He had timing and positioning. He had awareness. He was unselfish but still put up huge numbers himself. Passing was outstanding too. He had physicality and dynamism but was also cute when needed. Set pieces were strong. Goodness he was good.

    Even with Pele, Messi, CR7, R9 etc. you can find elements of those which they lacked or had little desire to do.

    Maybe Maradona comes closest although his size would have precluded him from winning aerial duals in the way Rooney did.
    From what I've been told - although he was well before most of our times - Alfredo Di Stefano might be close too?

    Others I can think of who possibly could have done it but maybe weren't given the chance in the very advanced positions:
    Steven Gerrard
    Yaya Touré
    Ruud Gullit
    Clarence Seedorf
    Franz Beckenbauer?
    Lothar Matthäus
    Sergio Ramos has defended outstandingly and scored in mad numbers, although I dunno if he's a great footballer?
    I suspect one day we'll be talking about Eduardo Camavinga in this conversation.
    I'm told Martin Peters was ludicrous in multiple positions.
    Jude Bellingham?

    As an aside, after writing the above I just googled it and this bit of interesting silliness came up...
    https://medium.com/@strijdhagen/the-...l-5a11fdb9f51d

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    Absolutely.
    If only all the team had asthma eh ?


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    I'm sure Ped has a few tricks up his sleeve, unlike the unproven allegation and unproven 'benefits' of asthma medication he has a few actual charges to his name.

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    Plenty of class acts purporting to be football supporters...



    At least that fool wasn't throwing bottles at buses...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrusir View Post
    I have it on good authority that this individual is actually a Romanian/Belgian skinhead who is a member of the Chelsea Headhunters and also an undercover soldier in the SAS .
    There, I think that’s all bases covered


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    Quote Originally Posted by zelig View Post
    Plenty of class acts purporting to be football supporters...



    At least that fool wasn't throwing bottles at buses...

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    Is that projectile coming from the coach, they haven't quite won the league yet :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobywatches View Post
    What a fascinating thought and one that's never occurred to me. Now it has I'm struggling to think of anyone better in that specific regard.
    Each of the mega-greats had no inclination to do certain elements of the game (often defensively) but in Rooney you had someone capable of everything. Speak to any of the Man United squad who played with him and they all say he could have played in any position and been outstanding (he was even, apparently, an unbelievable goalkeeper).
    He could score all types. Tap-ins, headers, left foot, right foot, piledrivers, lobs, dinks, passed-finishes etc. He could run. He could tackle. He had timing and positioning. He had awareness. He was unselfish but still put up huge numbers himself. Passing was outstanding too. He had physicality and dynamism but was also cute when needed. Set pieces were strong. Goodness he was good.

    Even with Pele, Messi, CR7, R9 etc. you can find elements of those which they lacked or had little desire to do.

    Maybe Maradona comes closest although his size would have precluded him from winning aerial duals in the way Rooney did.
    From what I've been told - although he was well before most of our times - Alfredo Di Stefano might be close too?

    Others I can think of who possibly could have done it but maybe weren't given the chance in the very advanced positions:
    Steven Gerrard
    Yaya Touré
    Ruud Gullit
    Clarence Seedorf
    Franz Beckenbauer?
    Lothar Matthäus
    Sergio Ramos has defended outstandingly and scored in mad numbers, although I dunno if he's a great footballer?
    I suspect one day we'll be talking about Eduardo Camavinga in this conversation.
    I'm told Martin Peters was ludicrous in multiple positions.
    Jude Bellingham?

    As an aside, after writing the above I just googled it and this bit of interesting silliness came up...
    https://medium.com/@strijdhagen/the-...l-5a11fdb9f51d
    Great post Toby.

    Rooney genuinely was the full package. As you say I can’t think of a single striker that comes anywhere near him for his all round game.

    The people earlier in the thread definitely haven’t read the posts properly when they have said “ what about Messi, what about Ronaldo “.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    Great post Toby.

    Rooney genuinely was the full package. As you say I can’t think of a single striker that comes anywhere near him for his all round game.

    The people earlier in the thread definitely haven’t read the posts properly when they have said “ what about Messi, what about Ronaldo “.


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    Much as it pains me , I’d agree on Rooney .
    Petulant , bad tempered and arrogant, his football was pretty damn good . Obviously I couldn’t take to him because of who he played for but there was admiration for his on field performances.
    It was telling that he missed the FACup semi final in 2011. I’m not sure City would’ve won that day if he was playing . Almost a sliding doors moment for the two teams .

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    Watching Arsenal last night, they are definitely running on empty too .
    Liverpool could well stroll on from here if they keep their players fit.

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    And keep the stocks of asthma meds high.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    Watching Arsenal last night, they are definitely running on empty too .
    Liverpool could well stroll on from here if they keep their players fit.

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    After all the European crap and a second rate cup semi it’s back to the big time. The mighty blues look to bounce back after a sound thrashing by Chelsea, who had no trouble hitting the back of the net against us.

    With Luton losing yesterday, this is a classic 6 pointer.

    Come on you Blues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    And keep the stocks of asthma meds high.
    Allegedly.....

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    The asthma thing is a load of nonsense. The article came from a chap in Russia who has never actually left Russia.

    Exercise induced asthma actually is a real thing but to gain an advantage you’d have to take banned levels off the asthma medication ingredient.

    The Russian article stated 70% of the Liverpool squad are asthmatic.

    Professor John Dickenson said he screened the clubs players back in 2011 and 25% of the squad were suffering from exercise induced asthma. Which was below the league average of 27.8%.

    To gain an advantage you’d need to be taking 40/50 times the allowed sporting amount and would fail doping tests.


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    Aah , thanks for explaining Ivan .
    So it’s an allegation then ? Something that’s never been proven, right ?
    Imagine that eh ?

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    No it’s not an allegation.

    It’s a made up story from a Russian bot on Twitter that’s been shown to be nonsense.

    City cheating isn’t an allegation either that’s a fact.


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    2-0 happy with that, 5 points above the drop now.

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    Shows how much Europe takes out of teams. Consequently I'm delighted with Arsenal's win vs Wolves last night.

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    Oops, Forest a bit upset. Everton got away with a few decisions there, but Forest accusing the VAR official of being a Luton fan is taking things a bit far.

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    Forest have taken today's defeat well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Shows how much Europe takes out of teams. Consequently I'm delighted with Arsenal's win vs Wolves last night.
    Indeed.

    Only have to look at West Ham's performance today after Thursday's exertions.
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    No it’s not an allegation.

    It’s a made up story from a Russian bot on Twitter that’s been shown to be nonsense.

    City cheating isn’t an allegation either that’s a fact.


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    Oh no
    What punishment did we get ?

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    Cracking free kick from TAA

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    Jose’s at the Fulham v Liverpool game. Guest of FSG perhaps?

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    Loving the FA Semi
    I just hope United hold out . Coventry look dangerous .

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    Cov have looked a totally different side in the second half!

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    Loving the FA Semi
    I just hope United hold out . Coventry look dangerous .

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    OMG Coventry!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    OMG Coventry!!!
    United playing for penalties .
    Good management from Ten Hag

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    Looooooollllllllll

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    OMG Coventry!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    OMG Coventry!!!

    3-0 25 to play - Ten Hag probably told the Wally with a brolly

    “Hold my beer”

    I’d be shocked if he is still United’s manager next season.

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    There’s no way he’ll be there next season. I see Rashford wasn’t up for the fight. No contact at all in the tackle that caused his ‘injury’.

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    3-0 25 to play - Ten Hag probably told the Wally with a brolly

    “Hold my beer”

    I’d be shocked if he is still United’s manager next season.

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    Great result for Villa, 4th place starting to look a bit more certain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    There’s no way he’ll be there next season. I see Rashford wasn’t up for the fight. No contact at all in the tackle that caused his ‘injury’.
    Yep
    Said it before.
    Him and Bruno are the two biggest cheats/ cowards in the game today . They go hiding when needed and hang out the rest of the squad to try and salvage their own reputation. United fans should be fuming with those two.

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    Coventry team talk on 70 minutes;

    'Lads, it's Man United'

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