He doesn't need anything so I gave him some money for his birthday and today he sent me some pics of his present I had financed.
I know there are some gun fans on here that may be interested.
He doesn't need anything so I gave him some money for his birthday and today he sent me some pics of his present I had financed.
I know there are some gun fans on here that may be interested.
Cheers,
Neil.
How old is he?!
Your son in America, I’m assuming!
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
He's 40.Originally Posted by gunner
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Yes Ralph.
Cheers,
Neil.
I daresay if gun laws were repealed this forum would have a 'today I'm shooting with this' cue weapon of choice and a wristwatch pref both blacked out and with a SpecOps flavour. Maybe a Spooky Bremont for the AC130 Spectre gunship
Presumably he's not in the U.K then?
That's quite a few bob for a present, most generous!
But all I can see is 'FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER'
I was expecting a BB gun!
Impressive. Why the rubber baton at the end of that contraption? 'If you can't shoot them, you can club them(?)'
I don't know what that is all about Menno TBH.
Cheers,
Neil.
It'll house the return spring for the breach block.
I suspect it's missing the buttpad / plate
Like the one here
https://bt-ag.ch/en/products/bt-firearm-products/spc9/
(Different rifle of course, just I'm familiar with B&T)
Rather than 'missing', it's intentionally designed to not have that in order to be classified as a pistol. Changes all sorts of things in terms of ATF approvals (tax) for the short barrel etc.
In America they say it's better to have a gun and not need it.
Here we say it's better to run away as fast as you can.
Is it real or a replica or something ?
That's good, if you can run 1200 feet per second!
It’s the buffer tube, that contains the buffer spring which returns the bolt forward on recoil.
The bolt carrier in the AR15 is not attached to the return spring unlike most other rifles like the AK, FAL or AR18 derived rifles. (AUG, SA80 etc)
There are tax implications in the US for short barrelled rifles so some are sold without a stock making them a pistol (even though it’s a rifle caliber) in the eyes of US law, they then fit an arm brace (stock that is not a stock) in order to use them.
I have never fired a short barrel AR, I imagine the blast is quite concussive, don’t really understand a short barrel on a rifle as the round will not reach optimal velocity reducing range and accuracy.
I agree that he should not have the finger on the trigger unless he is about to fire
I hope he enjoys it!
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https://www.google.com/search?q=ati+...id:JU3H3V6xh8E
It's this one
Hope he also bought somewhere to lock it away especially if he has kids.
The lack of trigger discipline makes me wince
It shows a total lack of firearms safety knowledge and why on earth would a private citizen need one of these weapons.
Frightening.
Last edited by K-Z1R; 25th January 2023 at 15:22.
For storming a High School or other venue I guess...why on earth indeed?
What if the magazine is empty and there isn’t a round in the chamber?
Guns are always loaded, especially when they are not loaded.
Agreed. Never trust a fire arm to be unloaded unless you can prove it and you have double checked and even then treat it as loaded at all times and never point it anything you do not wish to destroy.
Last edited by Sinnlover; 25th January 2023 at 20:32.
Very few people have been injured by firearms but MANY by people in charge of the firearms.
ps: I'm not anti firearms I used to really enjoy full-bore pistol/revolver/rifle/black powder/small bore target shooting before we lost them after the tragedy of Dunblane, we just can't trust people with them :(
+1.
An instructor in Las Vegas told me when demonstrating a Glock that nothing good comes out of that end indicating the muzzle. People look down it apparently and pull the trigger
We're very sorry to learn of your sons micro-penis, and wish him all the best given his sad circumstances.
I was taught in the U.S. Marines to check the barrel by removing the magazine, locking the chamber open, confirming the is no cartridge present, sticking my thumbnail in the breech, and looking at it from the business end of the barrel. This is a safe way to confirm there are no obstructions in the barrel.
It never is. Accidents are usually at the end of a chain of events and assumptions. Ask Alec Baldwin.
Although the law changed last year, I'm pretty sure that you can still fire black powder pistols and most of the others too including certain historical pistols, because if you can't, then oops.
Last edited by M4tt; 25th January 2023 at 20:28.
Ask Alec Baldwin.
So clever my foot fell off.
As said above: 'pistol,' my arse. If you tried to fire that as a pistol i.e potentially single-handed without the stock at your shoulder, it would either break your wrist or cause serious pain with a 5.56 round. It would more correctly be described as a carbine. I wonder whether the name is an attempt to get around some US firearms regulations. That said, a Colt M4 carbine derivative was my personal 'long' for many years and an excellent weapon.
Reminds me of that scene in Black Hawk Down when the Ranger Captain questions Hoot about not having the safety catch on. Hoot replies his finger IS the safety
Ah the mass shooters fave gun, nice.
Strange post, strange gift, and strange country. Guess we will never understand the Yanks
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As a young teenager in the UK I joined the school army cadet force. Unbelievably considering it was the early 80’s we had a selection of weapons at school in the armoury - lots of Lee Enfield 303’s and a couple of Sterling’s, even a GPMG. Anyhow, I spent weeks on weapons drills before we ever got to take the guns to a range and fire them. Any even tiny error and you couldn’t so much as touch one of the firearms until you’d passed another assessment. So pictures like this with a finger on the trigger give me chills. The whole experience - I never joined the army - gave me a real respect for firearms, and made me realise how ‘easy’ it would be to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. You don’t get second chances. I’m so glad I live in England.
showed a colleague at work the opening pictures of this thread and the first words out were 'Trigger discipline'
Laughing at the idea of someone in armour at a shooting range. Brilliant.
I'm half expecting there to be a punch line from the OP :)
Here it is....
I gave my son some money for his birthday and he chose that gun - his choice.
He already owns an AR15 and Sig Sauer pistol and he and his wife enjoy shooting at the range. They have no children. He has a gun safe where he keeps his arsenal.
Some people enjoyed the post and added their insightful comments, for some it gave them the chance to throw up their hands in horror.
Quite a polarising thread as I knew it would be.
Cheers,
Neil.
I don’t necessarily buy the “family fun down the range” argument for assault weapons. Even setting aside the fire specs, if that was the intended purpose we would see them produced in pretty colours without “tactical” debossed on the side. The fact that they are so military looking speaks to something else imv.
"Itchy Trigger Finger"!
All we had to endure was the EDC brigade and their pocket fondling.
But yes, I can imagine the artsy photographs now.
"Bite my shiny metal ass."
- Bender Bending Rodríguez
U.k edition
Many US gun owners will say they buy their weapons to shoot at the range, but then something unexpected happens and the gun comes out.
There is no reason private individuals should be allowed to possess such killer machines.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
There is one very sad thing about US gun ownership that gets missed in all the discussion about mass shootings.
And that is that high levels of gun ownership lead to high levels of gun owner death, from misadventure, suicide, escalation of domestuc dispute etc.
More American die from their own guns than in mass shootings, or from homicide at all.
The simple fact is that, like the death penalty, there is no recourse to a second chance if you're arguing with a relatively large calibre weapon.
This is not related to the OP, and I hope the new owner has no need to use his new "pistol" in anger. But it is a sobering aspect of such unrestrained gun ownership.
More suicides than homicides in recent years, I believe.
I read an article a few years back about the idea of "second-degree suicide" - the many people of occasional or sudden impulses of self-harm, but the easy availability of firearms means that these impulses are followed through far more than they would be in a country without the guns.
Yet we all are allowed to buy motor cars :(
Headline figures
These provisional statistics show:
- an estimated 1,560 reported road deaths in 2021, a reduction of 12% from the 2017 to 2019 average
- an estimated 27,300 killed or seriously injured (KSI) casualties in 2021, a reduction of 13% from the 2017 to 2019 average
- an estimated 127,967 casualties of all severities in 2021, a reduction of 21% from the 2017 to 2019 average
- there were increases in casualties of all severities in 2021 compared with 2020, though pedal cyclists showed a reduction in fatalities (20%)
- there are age and sex differences in casualty trends, with female fatalities aged 70 and over showing a particularly large reduction during the COVID-19 pandemic (36% reduction in 2021 compared with the 2017 to 2019 average)
- monthly changes in casualties generally showed a similar trend to changes in motor traffic levels
Except guns are devices that are primarily designed to inflict harm on people or things.
Except cars are regulated and require stringent tests and insurance to operate.
Except cars are a necessity for many people, and enable them to play a part in society.
Apart from that, yeah, they're the same. Quite the same. Well done, genius.
If you're interested in target shooting, take up archery or darts.
Except, of course, then your car stats refer to the UK, and not the US. We have stringent gun laws in the UK, and, well.
In the US, there were 612 mass shootings in the US in 2020 alone.
https://www.asralertsystems.com/blog...20from%202019.
Stop muddying the waters and engaging in Whatasaboutism.
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