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    My little boy's birthday present. AR15 pistol!

    He doesn't need anything so I gave him some money for his birthday and today he sent me some pics of his present I had financed.

    I know there are some gun fans on here that may be interested.



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    How old is he?!

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    Your son in America, I’m assuming!

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    Presumably he's not in the U.K then?

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    That's quite a few bob for a present, most generous!

    But all I can see is 'FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER'

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    I was expecting a BB gun!

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    Impressive. Why the rubber baton at the end of that contraption? 'If you can't shoot them, you can club them(?)'

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    How old is he?!
    He's 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralphy View Post
    Your son in America, I’m assuming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    Impressive. Why the rubber baton at the end of that contraption? 'If you can't shoot them, you can club them(?)'
    I don't know what that is all about Menno TBH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    Impressive. Why the rubber baton at the end of that contraption? 'If you can't shoot them, you can club them(?)'
    It'll house the return spring for the breach block.

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    The lack of trigger discipline makes me wince

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    Ah the mass shooters fave gun, nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liner33 View Post
    The lack of trigger discipline makes me wince
    It shows a total lack of firearms safety knowledge and why on earth would a private citizen need one of these weapons.
    Frightening.
    Last edited by K-Z1R; 25th January 2023 at 15:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-Z1R View Post
    It shows a total lack of forearms safety knowledge and why on earth would a private citizen need one of these weapons.
    Frightening.
    For storming a High School or other venue I guess...why on earth indeed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    Impressive. Why the rubber baton at the end of that contraption? 'If you can't shoot them, you can club them(?)'
    I suspect it's missing the buttpad / plate

    Like the one here

    https://bt-ag.ch/en/products/bt-firearm-products/spc9/

    (Different rifle of course, just I'm familiar with B&T)

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    I suspect it's missing the buttpad / plate

    Like the one here

    https://bt-ag.ch/en/products/bt-firearm-products/spc9/

    (Different rifle of course, just I'm familiar with B&T)
    Rather than 'missing', it's intentionally designed to not have that in order to be classified as a pistol. Changes all sorts of things in terms of ATF approvals (tax) for the short barrel etc.

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    In America they say it's better to have a gun and not need it.
    Here we say it's better to run away as fast as you can.

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    Is it real or a replica or something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    Is it real or a replica or something ?
    I should think its a replica otherwise he wouldent have his finger on the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thieuster View Post
    Impressive. Why the rubber baton at the end of that contraption? 'If you can't shoot them, you can club them(?)'
    It’s the buffer tube, that contains the buffer spring which returns the bolt forward on recoil.
    The bolt carrier in the AR15 is not attached to the return spring unlike most other rifles like the AK, FAL or AR18 derived rifles. (AUG, SA80 etc)

    There are tax implications in the US for short barrelled rifles so some are sold without a stock making them a pistol (even though it’s a rifle caliber) in the eyes of US law, they then fit an arm brace (stock that is not a stock) in order to use them.

    I have never fired a short barrel AR, I imagine the blast is quite concussive, don’t really understand a short barrel on a rifle as the round will not reach optimal velocity reducing range and accuracy.

    I agree that he should not have the finger on the trigger unless he is about to fire

    I hope he enjoys it!
    Last edited by Sinnlover; 25th January 2023 at 17:21.

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    Hope he also bought somewhere to lock it away especially if he has kids.

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    And this is how it all starts.

    Has your son got or gained any experience in weapon discipline.

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    I predict no good will come of this thread.

    (Also, "pistol" my arse.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liner33 View Post
    The lack of trigger discipline makes me wince
    What if the magazine is empty and there isn’t a round in the chamber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Smith View Post
    In America they say it's better to have a gun and not need it.
    Here we say it's better to run away as fast as you can.
    That's good, if you can run 1200 feet per second!

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    That thing at the rear of the pistol is a "buffer tube."



    According to the manufacturer, American Tactical, the functioning is as follows:

    The AR-15 buffer tube (also known as the receiver extension), is the metal protrusion that sticks out of the rifle and serves two functions: it houses the recoil buffer mechanism, and it serves as the attachment point for the buttstock.
    The reason it’s referred to as a “buffer tube” is because inside the tube is a large spring (called the action spring), and a weighted part known as the “recoil buffer”.

    More info: When the rifle is “cocked” using the charging handle, the action spring is what makes the bolt slide back forward. Also, after a round is fired, the action spring is what pushed the bolt back forward and chambers the next round. The recoil buffer sits inside of the spring, and its weight provides some “buffer” against the forces of recoil. By changing the weight of the buffer, you can change the characteristics of how the rifle cycles.



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    Strange post, strange gift, and strange country. Guess we will never understand the Yanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    What if the magazine is empty and there isn’t a round in the chamber?
    Guns are always loaded, especially when they are not loaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qatar-wol View Post
    Guns are always loaded, especially when they are not loaded.
    Agreed. Never trust a fire arm to be unloaded unless you can prove it and you have double checked and even then treat it as loaded at all times and never point it anything you do not wish to destroy.
    Last edited by Sinnlover; 25th January 2023 at 20:32.

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    Very few people have been injured by firearms but MANY by people in charge of the firearms.

    ps: I'm not anti firearms I used to really enjoy full-bore pistol/revolver/rifle/black powder/small bore target shooting before we lost them after the tragedy of Dunblane, we just can't trust people with them :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    What if the magazine is empty and there isn’t a round in the chamber?
    It never is. Accidents are usually at the end of a chain of events and assumptions. Ask Alec Baldwin.

    Although the law changed last year, I'm pretty sure that you can still fire black powder pistols and most of the others too including certain historical pistols, because if you can't, then oops.
    Last edited by M4tt; 25th January 2023 at 20:28.

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    Ask Alec Baldwin.
    So clever my foot fell off.

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    Not a pistol for sure, just an evasion of control.

    To be fair, if I lived in the land of the aggressive right to give arm bears, or whatever it is; I would rather own one in the home than not, just in case.

    I don't have kids, but would have it locked by the bed, be trained and practice repeatedly in a home scenario.

    If they can own & carry, as mad as the amendment is, why would you not be equal.

    OP - sorry this went the way it did, technically it is a level piece of engineering - wish my father was as generous!

    I had the opportunity to shoot an MP5 last year, and things like this are truly scary pulling the trigger.

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    As said above: 'pistol,' my arse. If you tried to fire that as a pistol i.e potentially single-handed without the stock at your shoulder, it would either break your wrist or cause serious pain with a 5.56 round. It would more correctly be described as a carbine. I wonder whether the name is an attempt to get around some US firearms regulations. That said, a Colt M4 carbine derivative was my personal 'long' for many years and an excellent weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacifichrono View Post
    That's good, if you can run 1200 feet per second!
    Of course, a bit of dodging and swerving also helps.

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    You can't beat a bit of macho firearms posturing. Makes me laugh. You must be extremely proud.

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    I remember the first time me and my boys (then 7 and 5 y/o) ended up in the gun department of the Bass Pro Shop. A jaw-dropping experience, I can tell you. Perhaps the fact that I'm not unfamiliar with (military) guns, makes that I'm always a little afraid when I see civilians (including myself) with weapons.

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    "Hey boss, did I show you what Dad bought me for my birthday?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liner33 View Post
    The lack of trigger discipline makes me wince
    Reminds me of that scene in Black Hawk Down when the Ranger Captain questions Hoot about not having the safety catch on. Hoot replies his finger IS the safety

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qatar-wol View Post
    Guns are always loaded, especially when they are not loaded.
    An instructor in Las Vegas told me when demonstrating a Glock that nothing good comes out of that end indicating the muzzle. People look down it apparently and pull the trigger

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    We're very sorry to learn of your sons micro-penis, and wish him all the best given his sad circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrushton View Post
    An instructor in Las Vegas told me when demonstrating a Glock that nothing good comes out of that end indicating the muzzle. People look down it apparently and pull the trigger
    I was taught in the U.S. Marines to check the barrel by removing the magazine, locking the chamber open, confirming the is no cartridge present, sticking my thumbnail in the breech, and looking at it from the business end of the barrel. This is a safe way to confirm there are no obstructions in the barrel.


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    As a young teenager in the UK I joined the school army cadet force. Unbelievably considering it was the early 80’s we had a selection of weapons at school in the armoury - lots of Lee Enfield 303’s and a couple of Sterling’s, even a GPMG. Anyhow, I spent weeks on weapons drills before we ever got to take the guns to a range and fire them. Any even tiny error and you couldn’t so much as touch one of the firearms until you’d passed another assessment. So pictures like this with a finger on the trigger give me chills. The whole experience - I never joined the army - gave me a real respect for firearms, and made me realise how ‘easy’ it would be to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. You don’t get second chances. I’m so glad I live in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacifichrono View Post
    That's good, if you can run 1200 feet per second!
    Actually we say, it's better not to let every nutter have a gun...

    UK gun laws are Draconian, but when you look at the number of mass shootings in the States, you have to say there's a good argument for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by dandanthewatchman View Post
    Strange post, strange gift, and strange country. Guess we will never understand the Yanks
    To be fair, the OP sent his son some money as a gift, it's the son who chose what to spend it on, but I guess this thread hasn't gone as the OP imagined it would.


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    showed a colleague at work the opening pictures of this thread and the first words out were 'Trigger discipline'

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowman View Post
    Actually we say, it's better not to let every nutter have a gun...

    UK gun laws are Draconian, but when you look at the number of mass shootings in the States, you have to say there's a good argument for them.



    To be fair, the OP sent his son some money as a gift, it's the son who chose what to spend it on, but I guess this thread hasn't gone as the OP imagined it would.


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    Fair points, I feel my earlier comments were perhaps a tad uncharitable. We simply don't fetishize fire arms culturally/ politically, at least most don't, ... in the same way that many of the Septics do, it ain´t really healthy imho, but then marketing and fear, real or perceived are powerful tools.

    The images to a European naturally cause mild concern rather than say pride or arousal. As a father it would cause me to ask why the need, are you besieged, should you not move to somewhere safer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passenger View Post
    Fair points, I feel my earlier comments were perhaps a tad uncharitable. We simply don't fetishize fire arms culturally/ politically, at least most don't, ... in the same way that many of the Septics do, it ain´t really healthy imho, but then marketing and fear, real or perceived are powerful tools.

    The images to a European naturally cause mild concern rather than say pride or arousal. As a father it would cause me to ask why the need, are you besieged, should you not move to somewhere safer?
    People tend to forget that shooting is an enjoyable sport / pastime. I love all versions of the sport and have done since I was a child. I first started shooting about 10/11 years old and have done ever since.
    There is without doubt a sinister / misguided element attached to ‘gun culture’ in the US (not saying the OPs family are involved obviously) but there is definitely not the same fixation with a tacticool tooled up image in the UK, anyone wearing armour would be laughed off the range.
    We tend to be more akin to real ale drinkers in my experience… pot belly’s and twigs in our beards!
    Last edited by Sinnlover; 26th January 2023 at 13:23.

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    Laughing at the idea of someone in armour at a shooting range. Brilliant.

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    I'm half expecting there to be a punch line from the OP :)

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