Reply With Quotethis problem developed after battery change or was before?
I'm new to posting so please help me,
My Breitling Proffesional Emergency REF B73321 has developed a sticking chrono second hand counter.
This is a digital movement, but all analogue dials, (not the LCD display versions of the Emergency)
when the chrono is started the long second hand just flickers at the 12 o'clock position.
when the chrono is stopped, the 1/10 th second dial reads, as does the minute counter dial.
When it's reset, the long second hand just flickers for a few seconds, as though it's trying to return to the 12 o clock, but of course it's already stuck there.
Also the Chrono minute hand doesn't move, or reset to 12 when the chrono is reset.
Other than that those 2 problems, the watch works fine, ie tells the time and Date !!
I recently fitted a new battery, which was quite a job, as basically it's a watch within a watch, as the whole movement and bezel and glass comes out of the massive case completely seperately. That is because the emergency electronics are seperate from the actual watch movement, and are housed in the outer case, which is attached to the strap.
please is this a problem with the digital part of the movement? or the mechanical part of the movement, which would operate the chrono second hand and minute hand ?
either way, greatly appreciate any advice on how to repair this, without sending it to Breitling and being relived of 50% of the watches value to repair it.
Thanks
this problem developed after battery change or was before?
Thanks the chrono problem was there before i changed the batteryOriginally Posted by Normunds
Sounds like a battery problem, if the watch is fitted with a eta 251.262 or similar then I've found the first sign of a failing battery is some of the chrono hands behaving as you describe.
It did it before i replaced the battery, and then continued after i changed the battery.
I replaced the battery with a similar one, so maybe the voltage was wrong in the original and i've replaced it with the wrong one again ?
I've just had a look at the movement, and it says 27 jewels, and has a number on it which reads 744 789
please Kace, is that the movement number ? as i cant see eta 251.262 anywhere on it
Please where do i find the eta movement number on the watch ?
Sorry I don't know where the movement number would be, I took a guess as to what would be inside going from a google of the model and the position of the subdials and date.
I've used a loupe to search for the movement number, and found it located very close to the battery in a recess, (so difficult to find).
It's ETA 251 233
please do you if that movement is susceptable to low voltage failing battery issue you mentioned for movement ETA 251 252 ?
just to recap
my movement is 251 233
(the movement you referred to with the low battery issue was 251 262 )
i could post a video of it to show what the problem is
Looks like the battery is a 394
Really can’t see this being a battery issue, a fault with the circuit or possibly one of the coils is most likely. If a repairer who’s willing to work on this can’t be found the only option is to let Breitling fix it.
will check if it's got a 394 fitted as can't remember what i put in. (just replaced what was already in it)
interesting, it's got 5 visible coils in the movement.
Please do you know of anyone that repair these quartz movements in the south of England ?
Thanks
To test the coils and circuit in a quartz watch requires expensive test equipment that many repairers don’t have, I looked at buying one but couldn't justify the cost as I don’t specialise in fixing quartz movements. ETA no longer supply coils and circuits separately although some suppliers still gave old stock items available, but generally if a component fails the movement has to be replaced with the modern equivalent replacement. I don’t know anyone who would be able to fix this, try asking a few repairers.
Thanks - useful suggestions
I need to find a quartz movement repairer or a possible replacement movement that will fit the dial / case.
Google time needed !!
There is a chap on here who can repair quartz movements - I cannot remember the name. Maybe Bodo (think he does Seiko but maybe ask?).
Defo will be folks out there who can.
No option to send back to Breitling? Suck up the cost and get it back like new?
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Thanks, i'll try and contact Bodo.
I'm not keen to send it back to Breitling, as think i'll get a massive bill.
(The last time i did that with Cartier i got a £1k bill on a watch worth £2K !!)
Really the watch works fine apart from the 'quivering' chrono second hand, so it's not critical.
just i'd like it to work perfectly of course.
it's not in bad condition apart from this anomoly
I sent Bodo a PM, but they didn't replyThanks, i'll try and contact Bodo.
I'm not keen to send it back to Breitling, as think i'll get a massive bill.
(The last time i did that with Cartier i got a £1k bill on a watch worth £2K !!)
Really the watch works fine apart from the 'quivering' chrono second hand, so it's not critical.
just i'd like it to work perfectly of course.
it's not in bad condition apart from this anomoly
Am still very keen to try and repair the movement
Just been looking at the differences between the 251.262 and 251.233 movements. The 251.233 movement is thermally compensated and is cosc. I had a quick look to see the cost and it appears to be restricted supply, possibly to authorised manufacturer/repairer only.
You can get parts for the movement if you hunt around but it depends on if it's a mechanical or electronic issue, you at least need to get somebody to check that first which any good watchmaker should be able to do.
Sounds to me like there is a foreign body jamming the geartrain for the chrono seconds hand - the coil is being energised and is trying to move the gear rotor (causing the seconds had to judder), but something is preventing it from stepping to the next position. A blast of air may dislodge it, or you could try gently stepping the chrono seconds hand around to dislodge the offending spec of dust.
Failing that, the mechanicals of the 251.233 are likely to be identical to the 251.262 so you could source a donor 262 for any spare parts required. I recently picked up a 'spares and repair' 251.262 off the bay for less than £25 (item no 175451082673) - the electronics were shot but I just needed some mechanical bits to fix another 262. Its a bit fiddly, but doable. Good video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OTys18JorY
(note: you shouldn't need to remove the geartrains for the chrono 0.1s and hour subdial hands, the coils or the datewheel). The bit you may be interested starts at 06.03 :)
Good luck
simon
Forgot to add that the video is for the 251.264 - the electronics are different to the 262, as is the gearing for the chrono 0.1s and hr hands to allow finer adjustment of the zero positions. Otherwise very similar
Thanks alot for the info Simon, i will watch the youtube video, and will look into trying to clear the possible foreign body in the rotor. be nice to get it working properly.
Unless you're very confident working on watch movements I wouldn't advise trying to fix this yourself. I have a similar movement in bits, a non-runner I kept for spares. I took the train wheel bridge off to convince myself there were no reset hammers and didn`t take a photo, I tried to re-assemble it for easy storage and despite referring to the service data diagrams I struggled. After 15 mins I gave up.
Regardless of what you see on U Tube these movements are not for novices.
thanks, i fully take on board your comments. the last thing i want to do is make it worse. afterall at the moment apart from the chrono seconds, the watch is working fine. I was going to try using a an 'air duster' aerosol (very carefully!!), to attempt to dislodge any foreign debris.
Please let me know if you think this is a bad idea ?
Unless you remove the movement from the case and take the dial and hands off it'd a waste of time, IF this is the issue you will just be blowing it around the inside of the movement and pass the problem on to another wheel or another time when it lodges in a different wheel. You have been trying to find alternatives to coughing up for a decent repair since December last year, I would suggest its time to bite the bullet.
Thanks, I agree with you, I've not yet found anyone to do it, which is why it's still pending.
i'm hoping for a recommendation for a good servicer in the South East on the forum, rather than just picking a company from a Google search.
Please can you recommend anyone ?
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