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    Don't forget RM employees were happy to go on strike and inconvenience hard working Brits who have paid the high RM prices. If they are willing to do that I'd wager some of them (no doubt a minority) would think nothing of stealing a bag.

    RMSD always with full insurance. Think who is handling your valuables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytip View Post
    Read all my posts and who they were too. I wasn’t talking to the seller, my post quoted another poster who seemed to suggest that there was some sort of claim between the buyer and seller. Legally there isn’t, but morally there is.
    Yes, get that part, but you also said: -

    Quote Originally Posted by jaytip View Post
    There is no claim or insurance between the buyer and seller.
    Lenlec bought and paid for the item in good faith. The item was stolen in transit which has nothing to do with Lenlec. The seller needs to accept that he made a mistake in not insuring the item for the amount it sold for and give Lenlec a refund.
    Which is what I was commenting on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Don't forget RM employees were happy to go on strike and inconvenience hard working Brits who have paid the high RM prices. If they are willing to do that I'd wager some of them (no doubt a minority) would think nothing of stealing a bag.

    RMSD always with full insurance. Think who is handling your valuables.
    Ryan, look back on your post and read it through a few times. You seem happy to castigate low paid workers exercising their right to withdraw labour as potential thieves. Sorry, thatís a pretty disgusting stretch of the imagination.

    Question for you: Would you support the Government in introducing yet further restrictions on the right to strike and picket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Don't forget RM employees were happy to go on strike and inconvenience hard working Brits who have paid the high RM prices. If they are willing to do that I'd wager some of them (no doubt a minority) would think nothing of stealing a bag.

    RMSD always with full insurance. Think who is handling your valuables.
    I donít know where to start with this massive pile of excrement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Don't forget RM employees were happy to go on strike and inconvenience hard working Brits who have paid the high RM prices. If they are willing to do that I'd wager some of them (no doubt a minority) would think nothing of stealing a bag.

    RMSD always with full insurance. Think who is handling your valuables.
    Equating going on strike for fair pay and working conditions with a propensity for theft? You're stupider than you sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabiscuit View Post

    Question for you: Would you support the Government in introducing yet further restrictions on the right to strike and picket?
    Yes. If it is in critical front line services vital to business continuity.

    If people voted with their feet and left Royal Mail, meaning a labour shortage that would concentrate the mind. But RM doesn't seem to have staff leaving en masse so perhaps they seem unhappy enough to be coaxed into populist strike action but not unhappy enough to leave. Cake and eat it springs to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crammage View Post
    I donít know where to start with this massive pile of excrement.
    No worries but I suspect it will be in the Tory bashing thread in the BP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Yes. If it is in critical front line services vital to business continuity.

    If people voted with their feet and left Royal Mail, meaning a labour shortage that would concentrate the mind. But RM doesn't seem to have staff leaving en masse so perhaps they seem unhappy enough to be coaxed into populist strike action but not unhappy enough to leave. Cake and eat it springs to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabiscuit View Post
    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak outó
    Because I was not a socialist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak outó
    Because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outó
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for meóand there was no one left to speak for me.
    No one came for anyone. In a labour shortage market where there is an acute shortage of delivery personnel across a huge number of employers these folk could vote with their feet and go work elsewhere. That'd teach RM. Anyway no more comments here as no politics in G&D.

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    For someone often keen to flaunt your liberal credentials you can be so reactionary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Don't forget RM employees were happy to go on strike and inconvenience hard working Brits who have paid the high RM prices. If they are willing to do that I'd wager some of them (no doubt a minority) would think nothing of stealing a bag.

    RMSD always with full insurance. Think who is handling your valuables.
    We were happy and still are happy to go on strike. Sorry if it inconveniences you but we would like a decent pay rise and more importantly our working conditions not to be changed. Do you think that these high prices are forwarded onto the posties etc? No. We work for £11ish per hour. As for wagering that some would think nothing about stealing maybe you are right but as proven with all walks of working life rich and well educated people are thieves and criminals too. Maybe you should speak to your postman about it and get the facts . Let us know how it goes on the Strike thread in the BP when youíve told him how you feel about the strikes or you could simply bitch about it and hide behind you keyboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytip View Post
    Read all my posts and who they were too. I wasnít talking to the seller, my post quoted another poster who seemed to suggest that there was some sort of claim between the buyer and seller. Legally there isnít, but morally there is.
    What do you mean legally there isnít a claim? There very much is. The buyer contracted with the seller to buy a bag, he paid for it and got what, nothing? Thatís a claim for breach of contract and not especially complicated! Itís entirely irrelevant that it was lost in transit by PF, unless the buyer specifically agreed with the seller to take all risk once collected by the courier, which I doubt he did.

    Obviously Iím not saying anyone is going to claim against anyone, but youíre wrong when you say there isnít a claim between them legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Don't forget RM employees were happy to go on strike and inconvenience hard working Brits who have paid the high RM prices. If they are willing to do that I'd wager some of them (no doubt a minority) would think nothing of stealing a bag.

    RMSD always with full insurance. Think who is handling your valuables.
    Disgusting post Ryan. Really low even for you. You are a self styled martyr on this forum. I usually ignore your nonsense. Have a word with yourself please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stilgoe1972 View Post
    We were happy and still are happy to go on strike. Sorry if it inconveniences you but we would like a decent pay rise and more importantly our working conditions not to be changed. Do you think that these high prices are forwarded onto the posties etc? No. We work for £11ish per hour. As for wagering that some would think nothing about stealing maybe you are right but as proven with all walks of working life rich and well educated people are thieves and criminals too. Maybe you should speak to your postman about it and get the facts . Let us know how it goes on the Strike thread in the BP when youíve told him how you feel about the strikes or you could simply bitch about it and hide behind you keyboard.
    Sure. And if you don't get what you want plenty of other employers willing to pay much more than RM for your skills. Amazon for one. So genuine question why don't you leave? That would really put Royal Mail in the crapper of they lost a bunch of skilled staff to the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Sure. And if you don't get what you want plenty of other employers willing to pay much more than RM for your skills. Amazon for one. So genuine question why don't you leave? That would really put Royal Mail in the crapper of they lost a bunch of skilled staff to the competition.
    A simple view from a simple mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crammage View Post
    A simple view from a simple mind.
    I'm a strong believer in not putting up with a situation I'm not happy with and instead focusing on finding a better situation. If that is being 'simple' then so be it, but I'll never settle for 2nd best and I never expect anybody else in society to give a monkeys about my problems either (bar the usual platitudes) so I sort my problems by myself and try not to bring others down to the same level particularly if they have nothing to do with my problems in the first place. Why should it be acceptable that I inconvenience anyone else as a result of something I'm not happy about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I'm a strong believer in not putting up with a situation I'm not happy with and instead focusing on finding a better situation. If that is being 'simple' then so be it, but I'll never settle for 2nd best and I never expect anybody else in society to give a monkeys about my problems either (bar the usual platitudes) so I sort my problems by myself and try not to bring others down to the same level particularly if they have nothing to do with my problems in the first place. Why should it be acceptable that I inconvenience anyone else as a result of something I'm not happy about?
    I actually don't have words. You really are moronic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Sure. And if you don't get what you want plenty of other employers willing to pay much more than RM for your skills. Amazon for one. So genuine question why don't you leave? That would really put Royal Mail in the crapper of they lost a bunch of skilled staff to the competition.
    In answer to your question. I donít want to. I enjoy the job, I enjoy the exercise and being outside. We have had three strike days in the past two months which is hardly an inconvenience to the public to be honest especially since RM arenít even covering all postage rounds everyday now. So you may have noticed that you donít get post everyday even though according to the governing body you are supposed too. They donít have enough staff and like you suggested many are now leaving to greener pastures. All offices are now running understaffed to the point that many are %20 down from what they should be. The only people benefiting from this are RM as they have less pensions , NI, etc to pay out and to make matters worse they are not filling the vacancies.
    The media unfortunately paint a picture of the RM staff being greedy and wanting inflationary pay rises but that simply isnít the case. RM are trying to implement lots of changes to existing staff contracts that affect sickpay, working hours that run into the evenings, and flexible working hours that would mean working less hours when itís quiet and longer hours when itís busy - ie Christmas time for no more money. They also want to withdraw the financial supplement that posties get for delivering all the door to door rubbish that you get and put in bin as itís considered junk mail by many but to RM itís a great source of revenue. The changes that Iíve listed are just the tip of the iceberg so we arenít talking minor contractual changes. I used to agree with you on inconveniencing people being a selffish CUN# thing to do as I also once lived in London and worked in TV and hated Bob Crow and the RMT as the tubes were crap already without strike action . I also hated the Teaching Unions as they knackered many kids (me being one of them) education back in the 80s during the transition to GCSE from O level exams. Iím semi retired these days and out of London and now the boot is on the other foot. I now see why unions exist as otherwise companies would treat staff like rubbish and push them about for peanuts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I sort my problems by myself and try not to bring others down to the same level particularly if they have nothing to do with my problems in the first place. Why should it be acceptable that I inconvenience anyone else as a result of something I'm not happy about?
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    In his world etiquette means the little people, the unimportant ones doing the grunt jobs, deferring to the important people, like himself, who do the important jobs. Their importance is reflected in their salaries. In this world the little people know their place and their station in life. The little people are to be kept in their place and any power they still retain is to be legislated out of existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Don't forget RM employees were happy to go on strike and inconvenience hard working Brits who have paid the high RM prices. If they are willing to do that I'd wager some of them (no doubt a minority) would think nothing of stealing a bag.

    RMSD always with full insurance. Think who is handling your valuables.
    RMSD, errÖ ROYAL MAIL Special Delivery? So itís the same people.
    My late uncle, as well as a couple of cousins, were ďhard working Brits. They were postmen. Ē they werenít thieves. I think I probably know maybe half a dozen posties, all decent folk.

    Acid test- if you went on strike, would anyone notice? Thatís how we ought to rate the importance of a job and scale its rewards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Linocut View Post

    Acid test- if you went on strike, would anyone notice?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stilgoe1972 View Post
    In answer to your question. I donít want to. I enjoy the job, I enjoy the exercise and being outside. We have had three strike days in the past two months which is hardly an inconvenience to the public to be honest especially since RM arenít even covering all postage rounds everyday now. So you may have noticed that you donít get post everyday even though according to the governing body you are supposed too. They donít have enough staff and like you suggested many are now leaving to greener pastures. All offices are now running understaffed to the point that many are %20 down from what they should be. The only people benefiting from this are RM as they have less pensions , NI, etc to pay out and to make matters worse they are not filling the vacancies.
    The media unfortunately paint a picture of the RM staff being greedy and wanting inflationary pay rises but that simply isnít the case. RM are trying to implement lots of changes to existing staff contracts that affect sickpay, working hours that run into the evenings, and flexible working hours that would mean working less hours when itís quiet and longer hours when itís busy - ie Christmas time for no more money. They also want to withdraw the financial supplement that posties get for delivering all the door to door rubbish that you get and put in bin as itís considered junk mail by many but to RM itís a great source of revenue. The changes that Iíve listed are just the tip of the iceberg so we arenít talking minor contractual changes. I used to agree with you on inconveniencing people being a selffish CUN# thing to do as I also once lived in London and worked in TV and hated Bob Crow and the RMT as the tubes were crap already without strike action . I also hated the Teaching Unions as they knackered many kids (me being one of them) education back in the 80s during the transition to GCSE from O level exams. Iím semi retired these days and out of London and now the boot is on the other foot. I now see why unions exist as otherwise companies would treat staff like rubbish and push them about for peanuts.


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    Thank you for the insight. I still don't agree with strike action but am grateful for you taking the time to explain the situation. I think where there are changes to existing contractual situations and they aren't accompanied by changes to remuneration then that does for sure justify action of some sort - I'd have thought legal recourse on the part of the Union on behalf of affected employees would be a route?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I'd have thought legal recourse on the part of the Union on behalf of affected employees would be a route?
    You mean, like strike action? Priceless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hansblix2001 View Post
    What do you mean legally there isnít a claim? There very much is. The buyer contracted with the seller to buy a bag, he paid for it and got what, nothing? Thatís a claim for breach of contract and not especially complicated! Itís entirely irrelevant that it was lost in transit by PF, unless the buyer specifically agreed with the seller to take all risk once collected by the courier, which I doubt he did.

    Obviously Iím not saying anyone is going to claim against anyone, but youíre wrong when you say there isnít a claim between them legally.
    Tell that to all the sellers on eBay who get fleeced by scumbag buyers and eBay side with the buyer.

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    What have high RM prices got to the do with low RM wages?

    You're meant to be in business FFS. Grasp the basics please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Thank you for the insight. I still don't agree with strike action but am grateful for you taking the time to explain the situation....... I'd have thought legal recourse on the part of the Union on behalf of affected employees would be a route?
    I don't understand why RM employees don't just leave and get another 6 figure salary job....
    I guess it's because unfortunately in the real world most people don't have that luxury for a variety of reasons and anyone thinking that employers are right to disproportionately increase profits to shareholders and wages/bonuses to senior execs whilst giving lower rewards to employees and diminishing their terms/conditions is part of the problem. And it's a big problem right now that needs addressing.

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    From my brief time as a manager at the Post Office, similar to the RM but not exactly the same, the staff would drive me crazy. The unions had such a strong hold on everything, and man did the staff have it easy, years of constant treats of strikes and wage demands meant that most PO branches had a target to lose money! which is just stupid.

    The staff simply got paid too much, had too many holidays, full sick pay, full maternity pay, hell one of the counter girls that worked for me had 2 kids in the space of 3 years, due to the large amount of (full paid) maternity time off she had, she then accrued so much holiday entitlement that even when she was came be back to work she had months of holidays to take, she supplemented this with some (full paid) sick pay - which the counter staff would joke and call extra holiday pay. The result was in those 3 years she hardly worked and was paid her full salary the entire time.

    And if the managers tried to clamp down on this kind of thing, the union rep would be in and have a stern word followed by your regional manager calling asking you what you are playing at upsetting the unions, it was one of the main reasons why I left, trying to improve performance with both hands tied behind your back.

    Staff would always take their full allocation of sick pay, and most spent their time waiting for the branches to be closed down (which was a given as my target was to lose money) to then get a huge pay-out.

    The whole thing was just crazy and eye opening, and would never happen in a private company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikGixer750 View Post
    From my brief time as a manager at the Post Office, similar to the RM but not exactly the same, the staff would drive me crazy. The unions had such a strong hold on everything, and man did the staff have it easy, years of constant treats of strikes and wage demands meant that most PO branches had a target to lose money! which is just stupid.

    The staff simply got paid too much, had too many holidays, full sick pay, full maternity pay, hell one of the counter girls that worked for me had 2 kids in the space of 3 years, due to the large amount of (full paid) maternity time off she had, she then accrued so much holiday entitlement that even when she was came be back to work she had months of holidays to take, she supplemented this with some (full paid) sick pay - which the counter staff would joke and call extra holiday pay. The result was in those 3 years she hardly worked and was paid her full salary the entire time.

    And if the managers tried to clamp down on this kind of thing, the union rep would be in and have a stern word followed by your regional manager calling asking you what you are playing at upsetting the unions, it was one of the main reasons why I left, trying to improve performance with both hands tied behind your back.

    Staff would always take their full allocation of sick pay, and most spent their time waiting for the branches to be closed down (which was a given as my target was to lose money) to then get a huge pay-out.

    The whole thing was just crazy and eye opening, and would never happen in a private company.
    But this is the company that had honest managers jailed and die with their reputations in tatters rather than admit to a mistake in their multi million pound computer system. Thatís just what we saw, after a long campaign to get at the truth. Goodness knows what else has gone on over the years. They did all that to non unionised managers who individually couldnít fight the Post Office. In every business thereíll be piss takers, but honestly would you blame anyone who worked for a corrupt employer like the Post Office for taking what they could get? As for Maternity pay, people have children, thatís why weíre here!


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    Not starting with a 1 remember

    Ryan continues time after time to present himself as a dick on this forum .

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikGixer750 View Post
    The whole thing was just crazy and eye opening, and would never happen in a private company.
    Royal Mail is a private company, since 2015 0% held by the state.
    Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.

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    Perhaps here ? just seen this on another forum.


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    Perhaps here ? just seen this on another forum.

    Maybe !! These look like return to sender parcels which is indicated by the drawn circle on the label.
    Useless fact for the day:)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    Equating going on strike for fair pay and working conditions with a propensity for theft? You're stupider than you sound.
    Could have come straight off the front page of the daily mail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael 38 View Post
    Could have come straight off the front page of the daily mail
    I believe my exact words were;

    "If they are willing to do that I'd wager some of them (no doubt a minority) would think nothing of stealing a bag."

    I clearly stated it was a minority. And in any case it appears a RM employee did in fact steal this bag. So I guess I was right?

    Appreciate that isn't ideal for the echo chamber some are trying to create in here (which isn't related to RM at all but is an opportunity to vent against 'the man'). Worth noting I've had several PMs to share agreement with what I've said and all from very well regarded and respected members here. Naturally they won't comment on the thread as they'd get drowned out by the 'shouters-at-clouds' as usual. The thing about clouds is they are formed of water vapour (hot air basically). And they are flimsy and soon pass or dissipate. Think there may be a message in all that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post

    I clearly stated it was a minority. And in any case it appears a RM employee did in fact steal this bag. So I guess I was right?
    Not understanding what the thread was referring to I read it all, I must have missed that bit ^^^^
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    It was a Liverpool fan that stole the bag.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    It was a Liverpool fan that stole the bag.


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    I guess one persons well regarded and respected forum members are another persons block list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    I think this thread should give everyone a bit of a liftÖÖ.

    If a moron like Ryan can end up with a 6 figure salary and marrying into fringe Thai royalty then thereís hope for us all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis9 View Post
    Iíve been considering purchasing a sought after watch at RRP or above and then selling it at a loss on SC a couple of days later.
    Will this make me a Forum Jesus??
    Only if you edit the post 0.3 seconds later to say it sold elsewhere.

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    I'd love to know which members agree with Ryan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crammage View Post
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    How do you know if you stopped reading 4 words in ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Only if you edit the post 0.3 seconds later to say it sold elsewhere.
    Life is too short. Thanks for the pointer though.


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    I know it doesnít really help, and might be stating the obvious, but this is why I absolutely wait for the buyer to confirm receipt and are completely happy before spending the money.
    Cheers..
    Jase

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Only if you edit the post 0.3 seconds later to say it sold elsewhere.
    That will be the special WhatsApp group

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