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    Man dies after disturbance at York jewellers


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    be interested to see why he died ? store being robbed? man intervened, man been robbed for his watch? and not giving it up , all men arguing over who gets only steel rolex for sale !! :-(

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    That’s horrific. Reading between the lines sounds like a member of staff might have been attacked by a gang. I know that’s speculation but whatever has happened that is awful.


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    On the lunchtime local news it has been confirmed the person who died was a client.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotsthecrack View Post
    On the lunchtime local news it has been confirmed the person who died was a client.
    Read that too, also he was being restrained by staff and member of the public

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    Conflicting reports, this one rather different, https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...e-men-27587693

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    Even I am beginning to wonder what it is about watches that incites such behaviour.

    It's a struggle buy one, risky to wear one, most watch fora thrive on aggression and now you risk getting killed just walking into an AD.

    I must admit the enthusiasm is sinking. I have an Omega constellation in for a service and it should be ready in September. If I like it then the Rolexes will go, it's savagery from beginning to end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    I must admit the enthusiasm is sinking. I have an Omega constellation in for a service and it should be ready in September. If I like it then the Rolexes will go, it's savagery from beginning to end.
    Quoting for posterity, although you still have the cop-out to "not like" the Omega.
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    Even I am beginning to wonder what it is about watches that incites such behaviour.

    It's a struggle buy one, risky to wear one, most watch fora thrive on aggression and now you risk getting killed just walking into an AD.

    I must admit the enthusiasm is sinking. I have an Omega constellation in for a service and it should be ready in September. If I like it then the Rolexes will go, it's savagery from beginning to end.
    100% with you on this Mick,for the most part I pick up a "cheap" watch if going anywhere now,and so begs the question why keep the rest.


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    Think folk are jumping to conclusions, unless I'm missing it there's a distinct lack of info. Despite the media loving to stick the Rolex logo front-and-centre, do we know this had anything to do with a Rolex or even a watch at all? That latest article suggests the man who died was restrained by a staff member and members of the public, not some gang, but doesn't say why. It's also notable they refer to him as a client, not a thief or anything like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1011 View Post
    Think folk are jumping to conclusions, unless I'm missing it there's a distinct lack of info. Despite the media loving to stick the Rolex logo front-and-centre, do we know this had anything to do with a Rolex or even a watch at all? That latest article suggests the man who died was restrained by a staff member and members of the public, not some gang, but doesn't say why. It's also notable they refer to him as a client, not a thief or anything like that.
    Also strange that the three men arrested have been released on bail, given that there was a fatality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Also strange that the three men arrested have been released on bail, given that there was a fatality.
    Witnesses/cctv may already have indicated that the level of restraint was not what caused the death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    Witnesses/cctv may already have indicated that the level of restraint was not what caused the death.
    Still hard to see how the cause of death wouldn't be connected to the fact that the shop was being raided at the time! Possible but unlikely, I'd have thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Still hard to see how the cause of death wouldn't be connected to the fact that the shop was being raided at the time! Possible but unlikely, I'd have thought.
    That's not what I'm alluding to. I'm suggesting that the restraint may not have involved blows or a choke-hold - but merely 'restraint' (The guy might even have been on his feet- who knows)

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    Deadly epilepsy fit?
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    That's not what I'm alluding to. I'm suggesting that the restraint may not have involved blows or a choke-hold - but merely 'restraint' (The guy might even have been on his feet- who knows)
    We don't even know who was restraining him at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Deadly epilepsy fit?
    Could've been. Question is, would whatever occurred have occurred without the scenario in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    We don't even know who was restraining him at this point.


    Could've been. Question is, would whatever occurred have occurred without the scenario in question.
    Post #7 above - would seem to be reliable enough to hypothesise on, I thought.

    Entirely possible that he did suffer some form of massive seizure and the 3 people were trying to prevent injury.

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    the poor chap who died had mental health issues no robbery

    https://www.facebook.com/NorthYorksh...891070/?type=3

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    Quote Originally Posted by learningtofly View Post
    Still hard to see how the cause of death wouldn't be connected to the fact that the shop was being raided at the time! Possible but unlikely, I'd have thought.
    Not quite ‘fact’…………………….

    In other news……………………..

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    Ah... making more sense now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1011 View Post
    Despite the media loving to stick the Rolex logo front-and-centre, do we know this had anything to do with a Rolex or even a watch at all?
    And so it appears the answer to above is in fact no. Just media clickbait.

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    The media in this country have a lot to answer for. Journalism has descended into total gutter scraping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kairos View Post
    The media in this country have a lot to answer for. Journalism has descended into total gutter scraping.
    I think it is just like the Youtube vloggers - "Get the story out FIRST, as that gets the hits..................."

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1011 View Post
    And so it appears the answer to above is in fact no. Just media clickbait.
    Where is Rolex mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Where is Rolex mentioned?
    My original comment referred to: "Despite the media loving to stick the Rolex logo front-and-centre"





    Latter one doesn't even have the M&W branding on it, but who cares, says Rolex right? Clickety click click!

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    TZ certainly daft enough to fall for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    TZ certainly daft enough to fall for it.
    Easy to say with hindsight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    Easy to say with hindsight.
    Says the man who fell for it...
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitch1956 View Post
    be interested to see why he died ? store being robbed? man intervened, man been robbed for his watch? and not giving it up , all men arguing over who gets only steel rolex for sale !! :-(

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    Really ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Says the man who fell for it...
    No need to be duplicitous, it unbecomes you. I am no longer wearing Rolex because it's just plain risky to do it at my age. I mentioned the York incident but my mind was made up before that anyway.

    What I did say was that the watch world seems to be full of aggression and you just seem keen on starting a fight for the sake of it, thus proving my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick P View Post
    No need to be duplicitous, it unbecomes you. I am no longer wearing Rolex because it's just plain risky to do it at my age. I mentioned the York incident but my mind was made up before that anyway.

    What I did say was that the watch world seems to be full of aggression and you just seem keen on starting a fight for the sake of it, thus proving my point.
    That was not starting a fight Mick. Just emphasising that your post was disparaging to other posters who had jumped to a conclusion… just like you did.
    The fact that you were traumatised (aka got a reality check) is a meek excuse for your initial post. Especially as it is perfectly in line with your posting history, as is the one quoted that immediately concludes on agression from whoever happens to disagree with you.
    If I had Raffe’s skills I could easily quote you on how anyone in fear of wearing their Rolex did not deserve them, and on the fact one should never sell a Rolex. It’s funny how what was a small incident (I took several hands out of my pockets in Barcelona, and smiled, and she (it was always a she) smiled back and turned away) suddenly made the penny drop and changed your sanctimonious attitude. I am glad neither you nor your wife were hurt in the incident, and that you did not lose your watch but have no special sympathy for you having had to deal with what you had dismissed previously.
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    That was not starting a fight Mick. Just emphasising that your post was disparaging to other posters who had jumped to a conclusion… just like you did.
    The fact that you were traumatised (aka got a reality check) is a meek excuse for your initial post. Especially as it is perfectly in line with your posting history, as is the one quoted that immediately concludes on agression from whoever happens to disagree with you.
    If I had Raffe’s skills I could easily quote you on how anyone in fear of wearing their Rolex did not deserve them, and on the fact one should never sell a Rolex. It’s funny how what was a small incident (I took several hands out of my pockets in Barcelona, and smiled, and she (it was always a she) smiled back and turned away) suddenly made the penny drop and changed your sanctimonious attitude. I am glad neither you nor your wife were hurt in the incident, and that you did not lose your watch but have no special sympathy for you having had to deal with what you had dismissed previously.
    Firstly you have admitted you were disparaging. I suppose it's well done for that.

    I was not traumatised but I did wake up in a cold sweat at 3.00am wondering what would have happened to my wife had the incident been violent.

    My decision not to wear a Rolex was clinical in the sense that a man who is 73 with a wife who is infirm is just plain risky.

    Before the incident I did not take any precautions and could not understand why anyone would worry about it, I have never said otherwise but I may have been dismissive but never sanctimonious and I have never asked or expected sympathy. I have stated on two occasions that I was a total and selfish dick for wearing a flashy Rolex when 73 years of age and putting my wife in unnecessary danger. . So I have admitted it was my fault and no one elses.

    I have said to you before you and I are incompatible, so let's just agree to pretend that the other does not exist and just ignore each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Says the man who fell for it...
    LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    That's not what I'm alluding to. I'm suggesting that the restraint may not have involved blows or a choke-hold - but merely 'restraint' (The guy might even have been on his feet- who knows)
    One of the reports mentioned the individual being restrained 'on the ground'. Any death in this type of scenario usually results from positional asphyxia and/or a pre existing medical condition. It's been a while now since I did any C&R training, but every time we re-qualed previously there was a strong emphasis on the dangers of positional asphyxia etc.
    The Facebook page linked mentions the guy had a history of mental health issues and no offence (I'm no racing snake either), he looks like a 'big ol' unit'. Combine this with the previously mentioned 'taken to the ground' scenario, 3-4 guys and the poor bloke's a prime candidate for this. Unfortunately it's not the first time this type of thing's happened and sadly I'm pretty sure it won't be the last.

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