Eddie
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
That is interesting - looks like a so-called true GMT movement.
It’s about time something like this was released, any idea on cost per unit?
If I were toi do something like this, it wold be a tad under £400.Originally Posted by Sinnlover
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Looks interesting.
If you do it, please make it a 120 click bezel, so that it can still be used as a minute timer as well as a GMT zone bezel (divisible by 60 and 24).
GMT bezels are usually bi-directional and I can only have 48 clicks with a bi-directional. 120 click is uni-directional only.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Don’t make it too big, don’t make it too thick, and provide micro- adjustment on the clasp. Could be a winner, GMT watches don’t appeal to me but they clearly have their fans. At £400 this would be bargain.
A friction bezel would solve all of this!
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I don't know if it's the price or some reason unknown to me but the DREADNOUGHT VOYAGER GMT PRS-21 does not appear to be that popular. It might perhaps be time to rethink the design. Personally, I don't like the wider minute hand and the invisible seconds.
A couple of the things I like about my Voyager are the narrower hour hand and the floating seconds indicator. ;-)
F.T.F.A.
I’d have one for sureIf I were toi do something like this, it wold be a tad under £400.
Eddie
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I've gone with this.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Looks good Eddie.I've gone with this.
Eddie
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Sold. Lovely. Perhaps it isn't the most obvious GMT hand choice, but it does look good.
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Looks fantastic! I love both dials. Count me in!!!
I've gone with this.
Eddie
Just looking for confirmation. Is this correct?I've gone with this.
Eddie
1. With the cream dial the hands look "blue"
2. With the black dial the hands look "silver"
Last edited by abraxas; 10th November 2022 at 13:17.
THIN is the new BLACK
Yes, very nice.
Love the general designI've gone with this.
Eddie
Love the bezel style and lume.
Love the stepped dial.
Hands could be a bit bolder for more lume area.
Very nice, but for me there would have to be a few changes to be perfect ...
1. 42mm (preferably Titanium)
2. Possibility to set Bezel 12 at the Top (e.g. Caret at 12 -or- 12<->00 opposite sides ) - e.g. set as GMT Sun Hand for Northern Climes where the Sun appears to move clockwise.
3. Prefer a Blue GMT hand (C3 Arrow Head as normal)
4. Prefer a 2 tone Light/Dark (Blue/Black) Bezel Insert but not essential
5. Chapter ring - 12 at Top - Numerals from the centre so could be assembled reversed to suit others tastes. If Possible with White @Top for Day, Black Lower for Night
Favourite design features
1. Batons (C3) Larger/Longer on Quarters - Not Numerals or Blobs - Possibly 12 numeral at top OK.
2. Bi Directional Bezel (48 Good - 96 Best)
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Edit: Off Topic Addendum
OCD Gripe time
Movement Impossibilities ... Probably just me (?)
Movement designed for all time zones (or at least most)
Over 1.7 BILLION people live in non Full-Hour step time zones + Travellers to/from these non-std time zones.
- Non Std. 1/2 hour time zones should be able to set Local time and GMT with Chapter Ring correct (if present) or the GMT Bezel set to a standard hour position.
This would simply require a 1/2 Hour jumping GMT hand for the 1.7 Billion people in 1/2 hour timezones.
A 1/4 hour jumping GMT hand for Nepal+ (30 Million) though this may not really be practical.
Ah well - Just an idea or 2 ....
INFO
Non "Std" Timezones
1/2 Hour Offset
Afghanistan 88,000,000
AUS - Northern T. 250,000
AUS - South A. 1,800,000
Canada - St. Johns 114,000
India 1,408,000,000
Iran 88,000,000
Myanmar 54,000,000
Sri Lanka 22,000,000
Venezuela 28,000,000
1/2 Hour Offset Total 1,690,164,000
1/4 Hour Offset
Nepal + 30,000,000
Total Non Hour Timezones 1,720,164,000
Last edited by judge; 10th January 2023 at 08:13.
Love the idea of a "true" GMT. I tend to agree to not make it too thick (sacrifice a bit of WR for a thinner case and better wearability for a GMT) and my only bit is to consider a 20mm lug instead of 18mm (although definitely not a dealbreaker). Eddie, definitely will be following this. I was very excited when they released the 9075 movement and hope to see it more regularly.
20mm tapering to 18mm at the clasp?
How about a GMT Commander instead, or a proper GMT Expedition Traveller? I do agree that the stock of the Dreadnought Voyager seemed to be in store for a long time (and so did the Speedbird GMT from memory). In fact, both seem to be still in stock......
Personally, I much prefer the GMT scale to be on the dial or chapeter ring, and the bezel to be 0-60, but that's just my preference.
That’s what I’d be wanting
Could be interesting in the Caribbean with a 24h bezel ?
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Now you are talking!
Or perhaps this?
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
That certainly makes for a more versatile watch; the other option might be a combined GMT / 0-60 or 60-0 bezel, as Fortis and MkII both offered at one time:
What about an automatic version of the Speedbird quartz GMT?
Interesting. Maybe up the case to 39-40mm? Agree with the 20mm lug and thin case comments. If it sacrifices 10 ATM WR, so be it.
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Whatever it is going to be make sure it is going to be as thin as possible. Thickness is the scourge of today.
Agreed.
So many vintage watches managed to be nice and slim while so many today are like doorstops.
...unless, like me, you like thick watches
Any chance you could keep it under 12mm thick?
Might be doable by reducing WR to 10bar. Who needs more than that for a traveler watch anyway...
id.guy mark II?
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If I may just comment, a BIG 24 hour arrow.
I have a not so fond love for the one on my seamaster gmt 50th.
Cheers!
Ps: I'd go with the black bezel with tons of lume
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^^^^
Why do you need lume on bezel? It’s useless.
Not true at all. Lume on the bezel means all of the watches functions can be used in poor light. A lume pip, or a 12 marker only does a fraction of the bezel's job. They can be made so well now, I can see no reason for a non-lumed bezel.
What, even in the dark??
+1 for bezel lume
I love lume on a bezel. Makes a bezel work in the dark, strangely.
Agreed, I like the lume on the bezel. Honestly, I love the design as is, can't wait for it to get released. Think I may like the black a bit more, but I'd gladly wear either!
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
I would love to see a Smiths version of this
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Surely a date is essential.
Set to the time zone you’re in, if you can’t figure out if you’re ahead or behind, perhaps you shouldn’t be travelling.
Or just go with the flow with the local time zone and forget about gmt, or whatever time zone you may by fretting about.
Lack of date window spoils the asymmetry.
Ignore!
I really like it as it is, without date. The steel bezel looked interesting to, maybe for a later variation?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I have no objection to the date complication, but my points against it here (and on the Mission Timer) are all related to the design and style.
Does any cockpit clock have the date? No. Because they are to tell the time and measure elapsed time.
Did almost any watch from the 50s when this style of design originated have a date complication? No.
I am aware that they may also not have had GMT, but an extra hand can easily be incorporated without changing the design language.
What i would like to see avoided is the overlaying a theoretical specification onto a style of watch that doesn't warrant it. The date would look wrong on this style of watch.
That doesn't mean there is no merit for the date on a GMT watch. Just not this one.
Not to point out the obvious, but aviation uses Zulu time so there’s no need for a GMT function either. The GMT Master came into being for flight crews to be aware purely for local time, where I’d agree a date can be useful, or at least as useful as it normally is on a watch.
I like a date watch, so I’d prefer to see a GMT with one.
I love it. This is a must-buy for me. Ignore those naysayers about the sans-date. I think this watch should be about beauty, and it is a beaut.
I get the "functional" arguments about the date, but when you're in an airport, you don't need a date. You just don't. If you do, you look at your cellphone. What I do find useful is if you fall asleep and you wake up and want to quickly make sure you're not late for the connecting flight - that's why all the jumping hours are needed. Then when you're at the destination, sure a date might be useful to know when to get back on the plane to come back, but COME ON! You're on vacation - just enjoy your time, you really don't need to be reminded constantly that your days are dwindling.
I have a Tudor BB GMT that has a date, and honestly if I had this Smiths, I would seriously consider wearing it instead of the Tudor on vacation. Because this Smiths just feels and looks so nice. It's my companion. It doesn't even need to do anything.
And here's the thing, it is based on the new Miyota True GMT movement that everyone will want. There will be a bazillion and one iterations, almost certainly all with a date. The Smiths will probably be the only one without a date, and will probably be the only one with antimagnetic protection - that makes it the most special and most desirable.
Plenty of people around the world go travelling with watches that don't have a date (eg. Explorer, Cartier Tank, Reverso, Sub no-date, Speedmaster Pro, Tudor BB58 etc.) - the date just isn't needed. I've had dates on all my watches for 2 decades, and now I exclusively go for watches that don't have a date, because it's all about beauty and the date isn't needed once you get over the OCD of having it. Just ask the Astronauts and Sir Edmund Hillary.
Last edited by grizzlymambo; 14th November 2022 at 17:54.
Someone hand him a rattle or something...
I think it looks great, especially the cream dial. The 38mm case width is fab for me. Do we know the case thickness? I hope it’s not more than 12mm ish.
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