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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Due to a misunderstanding, I have a prototype in an Everest case.

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    So AIUI the dial would be the Everest Expedition dial, but 2mm smaller?

    It's just not going to be big enough for most people is it - even those of us who like the 36mm case size *for non sports bezel* watches!

    DISCLOSURE: I have no interest in GMT watches, so what I think is irrelevant anyway.

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    Can we please see it.



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    Sweet JesusÖ please make a run of these!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brammer View Post

    The thicker movement lifts the dial higher in the case... making it look even better than the basic Everest. I also like the counter-balance on the seconds.

    It will never be as popular as the bezel-GMT but a "limited edition" run will most definitely fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas View Post
    The thicker movement lifts the dial higher in the case... making it look even better than the basic Everest.
    100% in agreement with this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGent View Post
    100% in agreement with this!
    I bet you would love to put an acrylic on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas View Post
    I bet you would love to put an acrylic on that.
    You may have read my mindÖ.

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    Yes it does sit higher in the case, there's hardly any rehaut and the crystal is a higher dome for the hand clearance.

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    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    Yes it does sit higher in the case, there's hardly any rehaut and the crystal is a higher dome for the hand clearance.

    Eddie
    Looks better for it in my opinion!

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    That's gorgeous...

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    That 36mm GMT looks very interesting ... any chance of a few more pics (pretty please) ? Face on, side profile, etc etc

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    Yes, 100% agree!

    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas View Post
    The thicker movement lifts the dial higher in the case... making it look even better than the basic Everest.

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    I won't buy it if it doesn't have a rotating bezel. I've been through GMT watches without rotating bezels (IWC UTC, 2 Explorer IIs) and they are super boring as they are pretty much useless unless you're actually travelling. When not travelling, I would rather just wear a simple 3 hander. On the other hand, a GMT with a rotating bezel is actually useful when not travelling because you can turn that bezel and see the time in different timezones on the fly. In other words, the rotating bezel makes a GMT watch fun. What I didn't like about the Explorer II is that I couldn't really play around with the function in any meaningful way most of the time - it's not like I am going to jump the hours for no reason.

    That Smiths GMT with the rotating bezel is just so delicious looking, I would wear it a lot, whether travelling or not travelling. It's the perfect "one watch" IMO.
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    Interesting new movement from Miyota

    Just noticed the counterbalance on the seconds hand - a sign of things to come for future Everestís?

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    I like it quite a bit. At the very least, a black dial Expedition would be a great option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brammer View Post



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    I love this! the higher dial and taller crystal is beautiful. I want one!

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    It's a good looking watch.

    But at 36mm it would imvho be a tad too small. Fiddly dial text and GMT hand need 38mm, in my opinion.

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    To me the whole thing looks a little too tall for its diameter.
    Not an immense fan of the smaller GMT hand and inner numeric ring, I like the main central portion of the dial to remain blank (one reason I cannot stand the 13-24 scale on many US military watches, and the minute numerals on the Sinn EZM3)
    Personally, I think the drawing is a huge improvement over this proto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brammer View Post



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    The more I look at this the better it gets... It is unique, elegant, tool like... The best thing is it does not simply rehash the tired typical design of bezel etc. As a product designer and in my opinion this design has milage and potential. A unique design. perfect size and form. A potential classic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    To me the whole thing looks a little too tall for its diameter.
    Yes. I think this is a function of this being the erroneous 36mm prototype (in the wrong case entirely) when it was meant to be 38mm.

    I think it would look better proportioned in 38mm.

    If I am following correctly, it was meant to be this at 38mm (from #59):
    Last edited by markrlondon; 24th November 2022 at 15:06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweets View Post
    To me the whole thing looks a little too tall for its diameter.

    ...........
    We need to see more pictures. Otherwise we are just guessing.

    I also think it will look better as a 38mm. It will complement the Commander nicely.
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    Wow,
    What a happy accident. Looks very good to me. I like the higher dial position. I guess it may be 13mm thick? I donít suppose this one will hit the production line. Itís a great variant.


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    Any chance some more pics please Eddie. :)


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    One thing, if the concern is the dial being too small: surely 36mm without a rotating bezel will have a larger dial than 38mm with one?

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    I am not a fan of gmt watches- largely because I have reached a stage in life where anything which detracts from Ďno glassesí visibility is an issue. That having been said, the 36mm does have an amazing serious tool watch vibe which is enhanced by the dial sitting so high with virtually no rehaut.if it can be done a short production run at 36mm would definitely sell


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    To be honest, I'm struggling with the idea that after several months in the design development stage, a misunderstanding by the manufacturer in producing the prototype has led to the serious consideration of adopting a model which looks substantially different to the intended design, and with an altered functionality.

    I'll bet the intended design would sell a lot better than this accidental version. It certainly looks more attractive to my eyes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TF23 View Post
    To be honest, I'm struggling with the idea that after several months in the design development stage, a misunderstanding by the manufacturer in producing the prototype has led to the serious consideration of adopting a model which looks substantially different to the intended design, and with an altered functionality.
    Did Eddie say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markrlondon View Post
    Did Eddie say that?
    No he didnít.

    That said, I would have thought that if enough people like it (as they seem to do), a short run of this model could be made alongside the original model.

    My favourite is the cream dial with the bezel and one which is definitely consider buying if I could get my order in quick enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    That said, I would have thought that if enough people like it (as they seem to do), a short run of this model could be made alongside the original model.
    In principle, one might have thought so. BUT.... short runs for specialist interest are potentially dangerous. It's really only a very few people who like it (the usual 36mm suspects one might call them! ) and will that translate to enough sales to pay for the smallest run possible? Personally I would have my doubts.

    Also, what is the smallest run possible? I don't know what minimum run Eddie's OEM is willing to cost effectively manufacture but I know that, at one time, Steinhart's OEM (just as an example) could only cost effectively do a minimum run of about 111-150. Taking that as a hypothetical number, would 111-150 of this '36mm GMT Everest' sell? Well, there were nothing like 111-150 super-supporters of the accidental 36mm design in this thread. How many actual sales would the super-supporters in this thread generate? Maybe 10-15 at most.

    As I said, I think the 36mm does look nice (albeit imvho too tall-looking for the diameter) but the 38mm, bezel, PRS-58 Traveller (as per #59) is almost certainly a vastly more commercially realistic item to manufacture I would have thought.

    Anyway, Eddie knows what he's going to do. :-) The above is just how I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markrlondon View Post
    In principle, one might have thought so. BUT.... short runs for specialist interest are potentially dangerous. It's really only a very few people who like it (the usual 36mm suspects one might call them! ) and will that translate to enough sales to pay for the smallest run possible? Personally I would have my doubts.

    Also, what is the smallest run possible? I don't know what minimum run Eddie's OEM is willing to cost effectively manufacture but I know that, at one time, Steinhart's OEM (just as an example) could only cost effectively do a minimum run of about 111-150. Taking that as a hypothetical number, would 111-150 of this '36mm GMT Everest' sell? Well, there were nothing like 111-150 super-supporters of the accidental 36mm design in this thread. How many actual sales would the super-supporters in this thread generate? Maybe 10-15 at most.

    As I said, I think the 36mm does look nice (albeit imvho too tall-looking for the diameter) but the 38mm, bezel, PRS-58 Traveller (as per #59) is almost certainly a vastly more commercially realistic item to manufacture I would have thought.

    Anyway, Eddie knows what he's going to do. :-) The above is just how I see it.
    The minimum run for any model is 300 but I can have different dials and handsets. For the Trans-global, I got 50 of each dial colour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    The minimum run for any model is 300 but I can have different dials and handsets. For the Trans-global, I got 50 of each dial colour.
    Interesting, thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TF23 View Post
    To be honest, I'm struggling with the idea that after several months in the design development stage, a misunderstanding by the manufacturer in producing the prototype has led to the serious consideration of adopting a model which looks substantially different to the intended design, and with an altered functionality.

    I'll bet the intended design would sell a lot better than this accidental version. It certainly looks more attractive to my eyes!
    I hadn't actually asked for a prototype, he made the 36mm version so that I could familiarise myself with the movement. He used the Everest case because he had some on hand and didn't require tooling up for a new case. He didn't tell me he weas doing it and I was surprised to receive it.

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    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne View Post
    I hadn't actually asked for a prototype, he made the 36mm version so that I could familiarise myself with the movement. He used the Everest case because he had some on hand and didn't require tooling up for a new case. He didn't tell me he weas doing it and I was surprised to receive it.

    Eddie
    I see!

    As you've explained that the minimum order is 300, can we assume that this variant won't be going into production? If so, you could always auction off the one you've got as the ultimate collector's item for fans of the Everest range!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brammer View Post
    Would look even better with a longer GMT hand of the original design... IMHO.
    (the stubby GMT hand is one of my pet hates)

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