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    I’ve always thought that the large clubs’ fan base starts with children.

    Children want to be associated with success, far less likely to get pelters at school if ‘your’ team doesn’t lose much - so start to proclaim allegiance to the likes of ManU, Liverpool etc (and Rangers/Celtic in Scotland). Meanwhile teams like Grimsby get little support by the kids - and that transfers to adulthood.

    Used to be in the USA, that NFL teams had local allegiance for life (until the owners moved the teams) and if Green Bay were your local team as a kid- you stuck with them. Part of that, of course - was the possibility of the division title or Super Bowl wins due to the structure of draft picks.

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    Seems little old Citeh aren’t doing too bad in the ‘big club’ stakes .


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    Just a pity they have to rely on "disneyland" tourist fans to fill the Etihad, As the locals certainly won't fill it.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post

    Seems little old Citeh aren’t doing too bad in the ‘big club’ stakes .


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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    Just a pity they have to rely on "disneyland" tourist fans to fill the Etihad, As the locals certainly won't fill it.
    ‘Sigh’
    Anything to back that up or did your mate tell you he read it on Twitter?
    Feel free to post City’s attendance average if it makes you feel better . I’d go into the dynamics of City’s support and how the club approach it but it’ll be wasted on you .

    Maybe we should target fans from the Emerald Isle and become huge .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post

    Seems little old Citeh aren’t doing too bad in the ‘big club’ stakes .


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    What on earth are Leicester doing in there? Typo???

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-rad View Post
    Chelsea finished 4th just before takeover, and hadn't finished outside the top 6 since the mid '90s.
    Granted, they weren't actually challenging for the title in any of that time, but they were hardly drifting around mid-table obscurity.
    Who mentioned mid table? They were drifting and if Abramovich hadn't taken over there was only one direction they were headed. Global presence at the time, very small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    Newcastle are a huge club ....in Newcastle. Outside of Newcastle they wouldn't register in any form of being considered a 'big club' , little to no history of winning, little to no history full stop come to think of it.
    Are you a Mackem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    What on earth are Leicester doing in there? Typo???
    I edited the page just for you .
    Keep the faith, you’re too good to remain where you are at the minute . ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
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    Called Kevin? Perfect? Degrees in economics, maths, physics and bionics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    I’ve always thought that the large clubs’ fan base starts with children.

    Children want to be associated with success, far less likely to get pelters at school if ‘your’ team doesn’t lose much - so start to proclaim allegiance to the likes of ManU, Liverpool etc (and Rangers/Celtic in Scotland). Meanwhile teams like Grimsby get little support by the kids - and that transfers to adulthood.

    Used to be in the USA, that NFL teams had local allegiance for life (until the owners moved the teams) and if Green Bay were your local team as a kid- you stuck with them. Part of that, of course - was the possibility of the division title or Super Bowl wins due to the structure of draft picks.
    Ends with children too. I mean, what grown adult actually cares if the team they support is a ‘big club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-rad View Post
    Ends with children too. I mean, what grown adult actually cares if the team they support is a ‘big club?
    What adult would go on holiday to Spain wearing their team tops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotsthecrack View Post
    Who mentioned mid table? They were drifting and if Abramovich hadn't taken over there was only one direction they were headed. Global presence at the time, very small.
    Rubbish! We were doing an impression of Spurs before Abramovich arrived.

    Regular top six finishers, good cup runs domestically and in Europe.

    Abramovich bought Chelsea because we had qualified for the Champions League again. Had we not have beaten Liverpool in the final game of the season he may well have bought them instead.

    I have no issue with Chelsea being the small club from West London. Although we have won everything a club can win. Not many can say that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    ‘Sigh’
    Anything to back that up or did your mate tell you he read it on Twitter?
    Feel free to post City’s attendance average if it makes you feel better . I’d go into the dynamics of City’s support and how the club approach it but it’ll be wasted on you .

    Maybe we should target fans from the Emerald Isle and become huge .
    I've been to the Etihad in the home area, empty seats around me, lots of foreign football tourist types elsewhere, infact I hardly heard a Manc accent the whole game. I'm not suggesting City are a poorly supported team, but you can hardly accuse Utd /Liverpool fans of being Disneyland fans when the owners of the Etihad have basically turned City into the same business model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sevvy View Post
    Let's not pretend that these super clubs with a world wide fan base have some mystique. Clubs become big and popular because they win. Madrid/Barcelona or Man Utd/Liverpool don't have anything intangible. They're who they are because they have won endless trophies and have or have had world class players. Their initial success gave them the financial means to buy more success. This plus astute marketing attracts a fan base outside their home town. Liverpool and United fans around world of course still follow their club when they're not successful but you can be almost certain that the only reason they started following them was because of their success. Would Liverpool be the club they are today without the Moores family?

    Should City or any other club for that matter have the kind of success achieved so far by United, RM etc then decades down the line who's to say who will be consdered "big clubs".
    I'd agree with that to be honest and yeh if city are still doing it 30 years from now then they can join the big club club.

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    Yikes Liverpool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Yikes Liverpool!
    To be fair Ryan
    Forest are a big club

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    To be fair Ryan
    Forest are a big club
    They are indeed!

    1 step forward, 3 steps back for Liverpool

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    Dreadful from Liverpool, we just don’t have the squad to handle the injuries.

    Curtis Jones isn’t at the level and Carvahlo and Elliot should be getting as many minutes they are.

    As for people not think forest don’t deserved to be mention as a big club that’s crazy.

    2 European cups, European super cup, 4 league cups in that time.

    City can’t even win 1 European cup after spending 1.5 billion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    Dreadful from Liverpool, we just don’t have the squad to handle the injuries.

    Curtis Jones isn’t at the level and Carvahlo and Elliot should be getting as many minutes they are.

    As for people not think forest don’t deserved to be mention as a big club that’s crazy.

    2 European cups, European super cup, 4 league cups in that time.

    City can’t even win 1 European cup after spending 1.5 billion.


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    It’s all about net spend Ivan , didn’t you get the memo ?

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    Plus Liverpool fans actions have resulted in the deaths of way more opposing fans in Europe than any other England team and actually got English teams banned from Europe. Massive club.

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    No mention of West Ham in the "big clubs" debate?

    They won the FA cup in '64

    European cup winners cup in '65

    And the World Cup in '66.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Plus Liverpool fans actions have resulted in the deaths of way more opposing fans in Europe than any other England team and actually got English teams banned from Europe. Massive club.
    That's low

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Plus Liverpool fans actions have resulted in the deaths of way more opposing fans in Europe than any other England team and actually got English teams banned from Europe. Massive club.
    Whoa - not cool!

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    No mention of West Ham in the "big clubs" debate?

    They won the FA cup in '64

    European cup winners cup in '65

    And the World Cup in '66.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Plus Liverpool fans actions have resulted in the deaths of way more opposing fans in Europe than any other England team and actually got English teams banned from Europe. Massive club.
    That's out of hand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    It’s all about net spend Ivan , didn’t you get the memo ?
    I wrote the memo, citeh have spent ‘net’ more than any team on the planet since the oil money came in !


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    Getting back to actual football, good start for Everton from DCL.

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    Ooft! Whilst technically true that's a bit unnecessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Plus Liverpool fans actions have resulted in the deaths of way more opposing fans in Europe than any other England team and actually got English teams banned from Europe. Massive club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Plus Liverpool fans actions have resulted in the deaths of way more opposing fans in Europe than any other England team and actually got English teams banned from Europe. Massive club.
    Yes they are a massive club hence why they have played in the European competition so many times you dafty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    Dreadful from Liverpool, we just don’t have the squad to handle the injuries.

    Curtis Jones isn’t at the level and Carvahlo and Elliot should be getting as many minutes they are.

    As for people not think forest don’t deserved to be mention as a big club that’s crazy.

    2 European cups, European super cup, 4 league cups in that time.

    City can’t even win 1 European cup after spending 1.5 billion.


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    Nonsense about Forest. Does a big club stay a big club for ever?
    Over time other clubs will achieve what they have and the number of so-called big clubs will keep growing.

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    In the 40 years since only Chelsea and United have matched Notts Forest in 2 European cups.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Plus Liverpool fans actions have resulted in the deaths of way more opposing fans in Europe than any other England team and actually got English teams banned from Europe. Massive club.
    You’ve really hit an all time low with that comment. Absolutely shameful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    In the 40 years since only Chelsea and United have matched Notts Forest in 2 European cups.


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    Let’s have it right. It’s Nottingham Forest. Calling them “Notts” upsets them.

    Ironically The City Ground is in the county of Nottinghamshire, whilst Meadow Lane (home of Notts County) is inside the city of Nottingham


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    All this ‘big club’ talk is just bollocks from the supporters of (what they think are) the historic ‘big clubs’.

    They were just fortunate in the timing of becoming a ‘big club’.

    We could add Huddersfield, Blackpool, & Preston in the English big club category…
    …but they were around & successful before the mega-money came to English football.

    Liverpool, Mun U etc are just the ‘big clubs’ from the era where mass media and tv provided them a global audience & the finances to stay ‘big clubs’. …& they spent big, to maintain their position when others couldn’t afford to.
    Other clubs could not compete with that spending power - so these ‘big clubs’ had & maintained their advantage.

    To break into those echelons of football now requires serious investment
    … & recently, some clubs have received that from their new owners.

    To argue now that these clubs who have received investment & become successful aren’t worthy of the title ‘big club’ is just sour grapes. Liverpool fans particularly, don’t like the fact that there a some (previously successful) clubs that have returned to the top table & can now compete for the best players & win competitions.

    …IMHO of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Plus Liverpool fans actions have resulted in the deaths of way more opposing fans in Europe than any other England team and actually got English teams banned from Europe. Massive club.
    Probably just as well you said that from behind a keyboard. Stupidest most tactless comment ever. Cock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    That's low
    Very very low FFS

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelig View Post
    Liverpool fans particularly, don’t like the fact that there a some (previously successful) clubs that have returned to the top table & can now compete for the best players & win competitions.

    …IMHO of course.
    Isn't that Liverpool themselves in recent years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kultschar View Post
    Isn't that Liverpool themselves in recent years?
    they seem blinkered when it comes to their own spending …

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    About bloody time. How many times have I watched Everton 1-0 up trying to defend their lead for most of the match. Great to see them 3-0 up and I can enjoy the last 5 mins.

    I wish we could play Palace every week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    I wrote the memo, citeh have spent ‘net’ more than any team on the planet since the oil money came in !


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    I’ve asked you this numerous times .
    Your beloved club has earned similar money to City recently .
    Where’s it gone ?
    Your club is as thief ridden as the other lot at OT and yet you and your ilk consistently defend them ??
    Any clues ?

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    Great result for you today Ken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    About bloody time. How many times have I watched Everton 1-0 up trying to defend their lead for most of the match. Great to see them 3-0 up and I can enjoy the last 5 mins.

    I wish we could play Palace every week

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    I think City and Newcastle would find it hard to reach the heights of Man U and Liverpool.
    All these fans in the Far East have their team, their kids will follow dad’s team. Not many new fans for the oil rich clubs to hoover up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    I wrote the memo, citeh have spent ‘net’ more than any team on the planet since the oil money came in !


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    I know , right ?
    And now likkle old Citeh is one of the most expensive trinkets on the planet !!
    Football eh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedyexplorer View Post
    I think City and Newcastle would find it hard to reach the heights of Man U and Liverpool.
    All these fans in the Far East have their team, their kids will follow dad’s team. Not many new fans for the oil rich clubs to hoover up.
    Plenty to tap into and there is currently a war between the big clubs to capture that fanbase

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedyexplorer View Post
    I think City and Newcastle would find it hard to reach the heights of Man U and Liverpool.
    All these fans in the Far East have their team, their kids will follow dad’s team. Not many new fans for the oil rich clubs to hoover up.
    I’m sure City and Newcastle are beating themselves up for this huge oversight

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    Lol you beat me to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegoat View Post
    I’m sure City and Newcastle are beating themselves up for this huge oversight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedyexplorer View Post
    I think City and Newcastle would find it hard to reach the heights of Man U and Liverpool.
    All these fans in the Far East have their team, their kids will follow dad’s team. Not many new fans for the oil rich clubs to hoover up.
    But I think the aim isn't necessarily to convert British fans, but there's an entire world that just doesn't cares about EPL... At least not yet, and those are the ones they are trying to get

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    How can McTominay remotely expect to get away with that
    Should be fined a month's wages
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    A crappy drew between two at best mid table sides been a CFC fan for over sixty years and there is just so much missing with this current team
    I FEEL LIKE I'M DIAGONALLY PARKED IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE

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    Great series of results for Arsenal today. Liverpool lose, draw between Chelsea and United and City win to keep us on our toes and stop us becoming complacent. Spurs/Newcastle tomorrow will of course see at least one of those teams drop points as well although I reckon Spurs will beat them fairly comfortably. Fancy a 2-0 win for Arsenal at Saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Great series of results for Arsenal today. Liverpool lose, draw between Chelsea and United and City win to keep us on our toes and stop us becoming complacent. Spurs/Newcastle tomorrow will of course see at least one of those teams drop points as well although I reckon Spurs will beat them fairly comfortably. Fancy a 2-0 win for Arsenal at Saints.
    Stop jinxing us, FFS!

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