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    Ha ha ha looks about right.

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    How very dare people travel legitimately with their friends and families, they deserve nothing more than tear gas and a beating by little Napoleans in riot gear. FFS.

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    That is illogical. If they are fans why else are they in Paris but for the game? Did the incidents happen in town or around the stadium?
    It was grossly irresponsible to invite fans to go to Paris ticketless. Regardless of the faults in the security, which I hope will be established clearly, this at least should be clear.
    Klopp already told them to book for next years final. All part of his man of the people routine. Fans on the radio claiming he’s a socialist and he understands why they boo the national anthem at Wembley. We see right through you Kloppy.


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    If Uefa didn’t want ticketless fans to go they would have fan zones that can hold up to 50,000 people.

    Further developments are the first checkpoint was at the train station. So effectively every french person who lives passed the train station were already in the stadium zone.

    This is how so many groups of French men were running amok. Apparently word quickly spread in the area that they were only 1 turnstile away from being in the ground hence the large numbers of these men.


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    Lots of UK and French & Italian fans descend on Edinburgh for the Six Nations matches - many of whom go to local bars and watch on the big-screens there.

    Never heard of any trouble. Similarly for matches at the other stadia.

    I don't think that is down to the "quality polis".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Drago View Post
    If Uefa didn’t want ticketless fans to go they would have fan zones that can hold up to 50,000 people.

    Further developments are the first checkpoint was at the train station. So effectively every french person who lives passed the train station were already in the stadium zone.

    This is how so many groups of French men were running amok. Apparently word quickly spread in the area that they were only 1 turnstile away from being in the ground hence the large numbers of these men.
    First point is idiotic. A bit like justifying stealing "display only" sports Rolexes on the pretext that if Rolex didn't want them stolen they would produce more of them.
    There was 20,000 seats allocated to Liverpool. That's a quarter of the total capacity. Presumably as much to Real. It may have been too little, or too much but that's what it was. Possibly because more football fans usually mean more trouble, especially after the match. This is not directed against Liverpool fans, or even English fans, as it is unfortunately not club/nationality specific.
    The remaining tickets were no doubt part corporate, part sold on the FFF/UEFA website (in which proportion I know not), and I doubt you had to prove you had a French address.

    Second point Saint-Denis is a bit like Enfield, outside Paris, so the best way to get there is public transports, unless you're local enough to walk; therefore controlling the access from the station makes perfect sense. What doesn't is if it's the only checkpoint. As to allowing access to people who live there -or claim they do-, it's the same the world over.You'll have to learn to live with it.

    Let's be clear: I already said that I hoped heads would roll for this, and that lessons will be learnt genuinely, if only because of next year's rugby WC and the Olympics the next one.
    The thuggery needs to be addressed, and I hope there is enough footage to catch them. Again, there must be a tactic developed to avoid a repeat in the above events.

    I also hope that from now on border forces will restrict entry in some capacity when there is a sold out large scale sporting event, and that clubs who facilitate or incite their ticketless supporters to travel will shoulder financially the consequences.
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    I'm going out on a limb here by saying that any non-Uefa/non-French 'investigation' will conclude that Liverpool are the victims. Again.

    Such an unlucky club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    Lots of UK and French & Italian fans descend on Edinburgh for the Six Nations matches - many of whom go to local bars and watch on the big-screens there.

    Never heard of any trouble. Similarly for matches at the other stadia.

    I don't think that is down to the "quality polis".

    Not Liverpool footie fans are they

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I'm going out on a limb here by saying that any non-Uefa/non-French 'investigation' will conclude that Liverpool are the victims. Again.

    Such an unlucky club.
    I’m going out on a limb here by saying you don’t care what any investigation will conclude because you already know the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I'm going out on a limb here by saying that any non-Uefa/non-French 'investigation' will conclude that Liverpool are the victims. Again.

    Such an unlucky club.
    Have a day off Ryan.

    Go on the prem thread and talk about the transfer news for whatever team you’re supporting this week.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I'm going out on a limb here by saying that any non-Uefa/non-French 'investigation' will conclude that Liverpool are the victims. Again.

    Such an unlucky club.


    I suspect you've only been to a handful of football matches and few if any at the time of Hillsborough.


    I despair of people trying to score a few cheap points over things like that, had you been going to games back then you'd have known how it was to be a football fan and simply wouldn't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kace View Post
    I suspect you've only been to a handful of football matches and few if any at the time of Hillsborough.


    I despair of people trying to score a few cheap points over things like that, had you been going to games back then you'd have known how it was to be a football fan and simply wouldn't do it.

    I can't speak for the other feller but I've been to many games and I watched Hillsborough unfold in real time, though thankfully only via the medium of television. I wont forget what I watched.

    When a club routinely has 10s of thousands of fans turn up without tickets (and attempt entry) problems occur. Many nasty incidents have occurred because of this, not just involving Liverpool but they are over represented in those that have. What happened in Paris was disgraceful with regard to the failings of the police and UEFA but time and time again Liverpool FC are involved in such occurrences. It is considered bad form to attribute any blame for what happened at Hillsborough to fans because of the deaths and the shocking failings of the police but I do. Had those fans without tickets not tried to gain entry illegally there would have been no deaths. Whether this point is cheap or otherwise is up to you, but it is my belief.

    The tear-gassed children in Paris and those who died at Hillsborough or Heysel or wherever were not to blame, that is clear, but someone was.
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    I can't speak for the other feller but I've been to many games and I watched Hillborough unfold in real time, though thankfully only via the medium of television. I wont forget what I watched. When a club routinely has 10s of thousands of fans turn up without tickets (and attempt entry) problems occur. Many nasty incidents have occurred because of this, not just involving Liverpool but they are over represented in those that have. What happened in Paris was disgraceful from the POV of police and UEFA failings but time and time again Liverpool FC are involved in such occurrences. It is considered bad form to attribute any blame for what happened at Hillborough to the fans involved because of the deaths and the shocking failings of the police but I do. Had those fans without tickets not tried to gain entry illegally there would have been no deaths. Whether this point is cheap or otherwise is up to you, but it is my belief. The tear-gassed children in Paris and those who died at Hillsborough or Heysel or... were not to blame, that is clear, but someone was.


    Wow, so despite the inquiry saying the fans had nothing to do with the deaths, that ticketless fans weren't a factor and it was solely the police to blame you still think it was Liverpool fans? You've completely bought into the lies peddled by the media, police and government of the time, you've ignored every piece of evidence presented since.

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    On 12 September 2012, the Hillsborough Independent Panel concluded that no Liverpool fans were responsible in any way for the disaster,[123] and that its main cause was a "lack of police control". Crowd safety was "compromised at every level" and overcrowding issues had been recorded two years earlier. The panel concluded that "up to 41" of the 96 who had died up to that date, might have survived had the emergency services' reactions and co-ordination been better.[124] The number is based on post-mortem examinations which found some victims may have had heart, lung or blood circulation function for some time after being removed from the crush. The report stated that placing fans who were "merely unconscious" on their backs rather than in the recovery position, would have resulted in their deaths due to airway obstruction.[125] Their report was in 395 pages and delivered 153 key findings.

    The findings concluded that 164 witness statements had been altered. Of those statements, 116 were amended to remove or change negative comments about South Yorkshire Police. South Yorkshire Police had performed blood alcohol tests on the victims, some of them children, and ran computer checks on the national police database in an attempt to "impugn their reputation".[126] The report concluded that the then Conservative MP for Sheffield Hallam, Irvine Patnick, passed inaccurate and untrue information from the police to the press.[127][128]

    The panel noted that, despite being dismissed by the Taylor Report, the idea that alcohol contributed to the disaster proved remarkably durable. Documents disclosed confirm that repeated attempts were made to find supporting evidence for alcohol being a factor, and that available evidence was significantly misinterpreted. It noted "The weight placed on alcohol in the face of objective evidence of a pattern of consumption modest for a leisure event was inappropriate. It has since fuelled persistent and unsustainable assertions about drunken fan behaviour".[129]

    The evidence it released online included altered police reports.[130]


    I've no skin in this game, I'm Arsenal. I went to our away game against Sheff wed in 88/89 and was treated appallingly by the police. I've always be grateful I was standing on the north bank the day it happened because there but for the grace of god. Initially I too put the blame at the feet of the Liverpool fans but I've taken the time to find out the truth, to look at the evidence and it sickens me people haven't bothered and also use the lies as a stick to beat fans with.

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    Lord Taylor concluded that the behaviour of Liverpool fans, including accusations of drunkenness, were secondary factors, and said that most fans were: "not drunk, nor even the worse for drink". He concluded that this formed an exacerbating factor but that police, seeking to rationalise their loss of control, overestimated the element of drunkenness in the crowd.[38]

    The report dismissed the theory, put forward by South Yorkshire Police, that fans attempting to gain entry without tickets or with forged tickets were contributing factors.[97]
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    Quote Originally Posted by kace View Post
    I suspect you've only been to a handful of football matches and few if any at the time of Hillsborough.


    I despair of people trying to score a few cheap points over things like that, had you been going to games back then you'd have known how it was to be a football fan and simply wouldn't do it.
    Leave it off. I used to have an exec box at the Emirates and have visited tons of grounds. Liverpool are unfortunately over-represented in the list of 'bad sh*t that happens at football games' and any attempt to skirt around this is obfuscating the truth. It is what it is. There's a reason most neutrals wanted Man City to win the league and it ain't Pep.

    Heck their fans nearly killed the Man City team a few years ago before the CL game. Really sorry for any innocent fans caught up in the mayhem on saturday night as they don't deserve it but the fact is a whole bunch of their fans turned up without tickets. To do what exactly? And at the end of the day t will be determined by our authorities that Liverpool weren't to blame whereas UEFA and France will conclude Liverpool fans without tickets where a material factor. Wonder who is in the right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Liverpool are unfortunately over-represented in the list of 'bad sh*t that happens at football games' and any attempt to skirt around this is obfuscating the truth.
    I’m glad your club seems to be getting better although those stats probably don’t include this - https://www.itv.com/news/granada/202...v-arsenal-game

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlipperySam View Post
    I’m glad your club seems to be getting better.

    Come on though (perhaps inappropriate wording) - some Liverpool fans get arrested in style.... LOL https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/01/brit-...final-9773354/

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    What the heck! Maybe he was still thinking about Kinsey Wolanski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I'm going out on a limb here by saying that any non-Uefa/non-French 'investigation' will conclude that Liverpool are the victims. Again.

    Such an unlucky club.
    Such obvious nonsensical button pushing that doesn't even warrant a response.
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    I find all of this very strange. Glad I’ve never had any interest in football to be honest. I’ve only been to one big sporting event, a Premiership Rugby match at the Stoop with my then 4 year old. Great day out with plenty of Guineas and not a hint of trouble. Quinn’s beat Newcastle that day too so all round a great day out. I’d like to take my son to see a game (Palace or Liverpool) but not interested in the hassle or the yobs, and that’s if you can even buy a ticket.

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    Football has improved massively since the 70s and 80s, especially at club level. On the grand scale of things there is very little crowd trouble. The only thing with taking kids is the appalling language and abuse thrown at the players and officials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    There was 20,000 seats allocated to Liverpool. That's a quarter of the total capacity. Presumably as much to Real. It may have been too little, or too much but that's what it was. Possibly because more football fans usually mean more trouble, especially after the match. This is not directed against Liverpool fans, or even English fans, as it is unfortunately not club/nationality specific.
    The remaining tickets were no doubt part corporate, part sold on the FFF/UEFA website (in which proportion I know not), and I doubt you had to prove you had a French address.
    It’s normal for big finals to allocate pitifully too little tickets to the fans of the clubs involved. Then there’s the organisation’s hangers on allocations, those sold via a ballot to almost anyone via uefa.com and an allocation sold to residents in the host city etc. A vast amount of these get sold on at inflated prices to absolutely anyone willing to pay. You only needed to look at the amount of mixed fans at this year’s Europa League Final to see that.

    Maybe this is where a high number of fakes turn up from? Or why the fans ends of the ground gets over full where people that have bought from a tout do their best to get behind the goal rather than along the touch line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    I also hope that from now on border forces will restrict entry in some capacity when there is a sold out large scale sporting event, and that clubs who facilitate or incite their ticketless supporters to travel will shoulder financially the consequences.
    I drove four of us to Amsterdam for the 2013 Europa League Final. We were stopped at the ferry terminal at Folkestone and quizzed by the police. We were required to show that we had our match tickets before being allowed on the ferry.

    Nowadays you have to complete a declaration form and collect your tickets personally at a location near the ground. Tickets are only given to Members / Season Ticket Holders that actually purchased the ticket. So you cannot collect on behalf of someone else. Naturally if you choose to sell that ticket on and go watch in a local bar you could. But why bother travelling to do that?

    Klopp doing his man of the people thing and encouraging ticketless fans to travel is just following on from LFC’s former CEO (Rick Parry I think) doing the same in 2005 and 2007; when he said “there will be 40k Liverpool fans who will be in the ground by hook or by crook”.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NigeG View Post
    It’s normal for big finals to allocate pitifully too little tickets to the fans of the clubs involved. Then there’s the organisation’s hangers on allocations, those sold via a ballot to almost anyone via uefa.com and an allocation sold to residents in the host city etc. A vast amount of these get sold on at inflated prices to absolutely anyone willing to pay. You only needed to look at the amount of mixed fans at this year’s Europa League Final to see that.

    Maybe this is where a high number of fakes turn up from? Or why the fans ends of the ground gets over full where people that have bought from a tout do their best to get behind the goal rather than along the touch line.



    I drove four of us to Amsterdam for the 2013 Europa League Final. We were stopped at the ferry terminal at Folkestone and quizzed by the police. We were required to show that we had our match tickets before being allowed on the ferry.

    Nowadays you have to complete a declaration form and collect your tickets personally at a location near the ground. Tickets are only given to Members / Season Ticket Holders that actually purchased the ticket. So you cannot collect on behalf of someone else. Naturally if you choose to sell that ticket on and go watch in a local bar you could. But why bother travelling to do that?

    Klopp doing his man of the people thing and encouraging ticketless fans to travel is just following on from LFC’s former CEO (Rick Parry I think) doing the same in 2005 and 2007; when he said “there will be 40k Liverpool fans who will be in the ground by hook or by crook”.
    Thank you for confirming it from actual knowledge (I supposed but did not know how it worked for football).
    Thank you also for confirming I was not totally deluded when I suggested restricting travel abroad. I understand that it is not foolproof as not everyone travelling in the 2/3 days prior to the game will even care about football but Covid showed that people can present a justification if indeed they must travel.

    I am not sure that making the tickets digital will improve security or lessen the number of fakes as usually those producing them catch up with any added security pretty quickly but can it really be worse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Thank you for confirming it from actual knowledge (I supposed but did not know how it worked for football).
    Thank you also for confirming I was not totally deluded when I suggested restricting travel abroad. I understand that it is not foolproof as not everyone travelling in the 2/3 days prior to the game will even care about football but Covid showed that people can present a justification if indeed they must travel.

    I am not sure that making the tickets digital will improve security or lessen the number of fakes as usually those producing them catch up with any added security pretty quickly but can it really be worse?
    I had tickets for the European Championship semi final England vs Denmark. These were digital tickets requiring an App to work. The QR Code was scanned twice. Once on the approach to Wembley perimeter area along with Covid checks. TBH the checking for Covid vaccination was a joke. They took very little notice. The second was at the actual turnstile.

    The ticket still shows in the app and shows my name, date of birth, passport number, the gate it was activated at and the exact time of entry. For sure it’s a secure system but I’m also sure a screen shot of the QR Code would have got me in just the same as long as I’m the first one to present it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Thank you for confirming it from actual knowledge (I supposed but did not know how it worked for football).
    Thank you also for confirming I was not totally deluded when I suggested restricting travel abroad. I understand that it is not foolproof as not everyone travelling in the 2/3 days prior to the game will even care about football but Covid showed that people can present a justification if indeed they must travel.

    I am not sure that making the tickets digital will improve security or lessen the number of fakes as usually those producing them catch up with any added security pretty quickly but can it really be worse?
    You may recall meeting me the day after that final in Amsterdam when I had also driven four of us to the game. However, we went via the Eurotunnel and didn't have tickets checked on the way there but in principal, it's a mighty fine idea although I fail to see how you can restrict travel to those without tickets on the basis of restriction of freedom to travel. It would however be a step forward to ask clubs to dissuade ticketless travel rather than encourage it.

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    It was the Benrus, wasn’t it? I still have it
    Restricting travel worked during Covid. It would not work within the Schengen area but it would work for UK supporters.
    It seems that RM was more organised with its fans but again that may be inaccurate as, while I have access to all 3 sides for info, nothing is confirmed -at least in my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Leave it off. I used to have an exec box at the Emirates and have visited tons of grounds. Liverpool are unfortunately over-represented in the list of 'bad sh*t that happens at football games' and any attempt to skirt around this is obfuscating the truth. It is what it is. There's a reason most neutrals wanted Man City to win the league and it ain't Pep.

    Heck their fans nearly killed the Man City team a few years ago before the CL game. Really sorry for any innocent fans caught up in the mayhem on saturday night as they don't deserve it but the fact is a whole bunch of their fans turned up without tickets. To do what exactly? And at the end of the day t will be determined by our authorities that Liverpool weren't to blame whereas UEFA and France will conclude Liverpool fans without tickets where a material factor. Wonder who is in the right?
    Nearly killed the Man City fans now


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    Quote Originally Posted by BSB View Post
    Come on though (perhaps inappropriate wording) - some Liverpool fans get arrested in style.... LOL https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/01/brit-...final-9773354/
    “A Liverpool fan has been arrested for ‘pleasuring himself like a gorilla’ in front of supporters at tonight’s Champions League”

    Imagine if they’d taken the lead 🤣

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    Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
    Such obvious nonsensical button pushing that doesn't even warrant a response.
    And yet you persevered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMC41 View Post
    “A Liverpool fan has been arrested for ‘pleasuring himself like a gorilla’ in front of supporters at tonight’s Champions League”

    Imagine if they’d taken the lead 藍
    They did, that was 3 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padders View Post
    And yet you persevered.
    Fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    There's a reason most neutrals wanted Man City to win the league and it ain't Pep.
    ?
    Absolute nonsense
    Completely the opposite I would have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Absolute nonsense
    Completely the opposite I would have said.
    Opinions differ


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    Just reading an interesting article in Le Monde which states that due to a train strike, the ideal station usually used for the stadium was not utilised as much as it should have been. The result was three times the usual amount of fans using an alternative station which has a bottleneck on the approach to the stadium. Additionally, only one third of the 160 buses chartered for use by Liverpool fans were actually used. It doesn’t say if that was due to fans, organisers etc.

    You’ve got to love the railworkers unions response - “The success of the strike during the Champions League final puts the unions in a position of strength," the unions CGT Metro-RER, UNSA and La Base said in a joint statement. "The fiasco of May 28 generated worldwide media coverage and the management bears full responsibility for the problems of transporting supporters to the Stade de France."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Absolute nonsense
    Completely the opposite I would have said.
    Probably only Liverpool supporters wanted City to lose, I know of a few United fans who were couldn’t have given a monkey’s either way.
    I live on the South Coast now and regularly meet fans of Pompey, Southampton, Brighton, Palace, Arsenal & Tottenham at the train station when we all set off Saturdays or Sundays on the train to watch our team and all of us wanted City to win it again.
    The media doesn’t help, BT & Sky’s Liverpool love in has been a real turn off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    Thank you for confirming it from actual knowledge (I supposed but did not know how it worked for football).
    Thank you also for confirming I was not totally deluded when I suggested restricting travel abroad. I understand that it is not foolproof as not everyone travelling in the 2/3 days prior to the game will even care about football but Covid showed that people can present a justification if indeed they must travel.

    I am not sure that making the tickets digital will improve security or lessen the number of fakes as usually those producing them catch up with any added security pretty quickly but can it really be worse?
    Digital tickets were also in use for Paris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middo View Post
    Digital tickets were also in use for Paris
    The Europa league final had all mobile tickets, champions league had a mix of paper and mobile, for whatever reason UEFA haven’t said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvic View Post
    Probably only Liverpool supporters wanted City to lose, I know of a few United fans who were couldn’t have given a monkey’s either way.
    I live on the South Coast now and regularly meet fans of Pompey, Southampton, Brighton, Palace, Arsenal & Tottenham at the train station when we all set off Saturdays or Sundays on the train to watch our team and all of us wanted City to win it again.
    The media doesn’t help, BT & Sky’s Liverpool love in has been a real turn off.
    Fair emough
    I thought it was Pep that said everyone would be rooting for Liverpool.
    Most I know were certainly wanting Liverpool to prevail but maybe different in different areas of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Fair emough
    I thought it was Pep that said everyone would be rooting for Liverpool.
    Most I know were certainly wanting Liverpool to prevail but maybe different in different areas of the country.
    I think Pep was alluding to the media and the clickbait culture rather than to football fans .
    Like Jurgen, Pep is very passionate and their English is scrutinized unfairly by the so called journalists and a lot of wha5 they say is often taken out of context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigeG View Post
    Madrid end of the stadium looked full well before kick off. I’ve not seen or heard anything reporting trouble with the Real fans getting into the ground.

    We can all come to our own conclusions as to why that might be and why Liverpool fans had all of the problems that has been appearing on various channels.


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    Was a little too early to come to own conclusions it seems.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61681762

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    Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
    Was a little too early to come to own conclusions it seems.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61681762
    That means nothing. Just make your decision from the utter crap spouted from any one of the armchair "experts" who already made it an open and shut case in this thread FFS

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanlad View Post
    Mind you, City had such a great season that Pep took them to within 15 minutes of winning nothing all season....

    3 finals and 2 trophies is what a 66% successful rate, or 50% win rate from 4 competitions entered.
    Man City a 25% rate....
    That's definitely how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reggie747 View Post
    That means nothing. Just make your decision from the utter crap spouted from any one of the armchair "experts" who already made it an open and shut case in this thread FFS
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61686639

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    The post match Twitter video in this article is pretty terrifying.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61685718

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlipperySam View Post
    The post match Twitter video in this article is pretty terrifying.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61685718
    Absolutely disgusting! Two guys put off ever going away for games again and thats just two we've heard from.

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    France has always been a vile toxic place to visit for a football match as long as I can remember

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRB255 View Post
    France has always been a vile toxic place to visit for a football match as long as I can remember
    You need to understand the country has very little to do with it. The problem is football (men’s) and a certain type of supporters it attracts. It is certainly true here, in many Central European countries, in France…
    They are the ones that are vile and toxic, not the response they get as a result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    You need to understand the country has very little to do with it. The problem is football (men’s) and a certain type of supporters it attracts. It is certainly true here, in many Central European countries, in France…
    They are the ones that are vile and toxic, not the response they get as a result.
    Were those involved here even supporters? Might be wrong but my impression is that they were largely gangs of local youths out to rob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    You need to understand the country has very little to do with it. The problem is football (men’s) and a certain type of supporters it attracts. It is certainly true here, in many Central European countries, in France…
    They are the ones that are vile and toxic, not the response they get as a result.
    So what happened last week was the fault of the Liverpool and Madrid fans? And the French police/residents weren’t at fault?

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