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    Advice requested from the DIY community

    Hi.. I am not keen on DIY and have done little for some years, consequently just about the entire house needs redecoration. Has anyone got any experience with budget airless paint sprayers such as the Draper units that cost 30 quid or so? I am OK with masking up to avoid over-spray but looking for practical advice and tips, particularly with the spraying of ceilings.

    I am trying to make painting the ceilings easier because of the grief that I am getting from the damn arthritis in my shoulders and even using a roller on a pole would give me problems. As always very grateful for any help/advice and thanks in advance.

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    Hi Rob, never used over myself, but this You Tube link might give you some advice hopefully.
    https://youtu.be/fzvLQ201hr0

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    Buy one for 1000/1500 and then sell it when youíre done.

    The cheap ones arenít worth the hassle.


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    A further thought.. is it best to do the gloss on the woodwork before or after the emulsion on the walls and ceiling? Or is there no benefit either way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod View Post
    Hi Rob, never used over myself, but this You Tube link might give you some advice hopefully.
    https://youtu.be/fzvLQ201hr0
    Thanks Rod. I hadn't realised just how much stuff was out on youtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barryboy View Post
    A further thought.. is it best to do the gloss on the woodwork before or after the emulsion on the walls and ceiling? Or is there no benefit either way?
    I always do gloss first because easier to clean drips of emulsion from gloss rather than vice versa. Professionals might know and do differently!

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    Even the paint reps used to discourage us from stocking the cheaper sprayers due to issues, when I ran a hardware store.

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    While we're on the subject I've always wondered about those paint runner pro roller/pad systems on shopping channels.
    Are they any good?

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    Prep is the key. Sand, fill, sand, clean. Then refill anything that you may have missed and sand, clean again.
    Paint ceiling.
    Paint walls.
    Clean off any sprinks on woodwork. Undercoat and gloss woodwork.

    Spraying, never done it but suspect it's for pros in a commercial/specialised area. Not sure it's practical for DIY.

    It ain't easy so you might be better off paying a decorater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobc View Post
    Prep is the key. Sand, fill, sand, clean. Then refill anything that you may have missed and sand, clean again.
    Paint ceiling.
    Paint walls.
    Clean off any sprinks on woodwork. Undercoat and gloss woodwork.

    Spraying, never done it but suspect it's for pros in a commercial/specialised area. Not sure it's practical for DIY.

    It ain't easy so you might be better off paying a decorater.
    This but with arthritis in your shoulders you can forget it right now. Get a pro to do it now rather than after you've spent good money having a go and enduring the pain for nothing.
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    I tried a cheap spray gun on my garage years ago. It was terrible, I am glad it was just the garage tbh. Kept clogging up and spray patten was at best erratic with constant globs being spat out; all despite following the instructions meticulously. Once was enough, I returned it for a refund the next day. I must admit I have gotten lazy, plus I am lucky to work with many tradesmen, so now I just pay for the professionals to decorate. Best of luck.

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    Guy I knew did signs and spray painted with a small gun and room was filled with a mist (also didn't wear a mask which accounted for his oddness)

    Can't imagine what a room would look like with a bigger sprayer

    Just read that rolling you get a thicker and more even coat

    If you can cover it. Might want to get a pro to do it

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    I can see you are in South Wales so Iím going to guess by your username that you are in Barry. Do you want me to inbox you the number of the guy I use?
    Heís fast, neat and reasonably priced.

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    Think Mr Bean

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    Really wouldnít try spraying with emulsion, pro set ups work but there is also much more preparation for spray work due to over spray and the general mess it creates, what you save in roller time you would out do in prep, also I donít think it would be much easier on your Arthur, while I do all my own DIY I would advise you get a trusted local decorator in, your health will thank you for it..

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    I bought one of those cheap spray guns to do the fence and it wasnít even up to that task - had to resort to a brush


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    I used or should I say tried using a paint spraying device for my fence panels and it was disastrous as it basically seemed to backfire on itself and went all over the grass.

    With interior decorating, I always do ceilings, coving (if you have it), walls, skirting boards, door frames and door faces. Large areas of wood such as door faces I have cheated and arranged for a decorator to do these as I find painting wood is a lot harder than walls.

    From what Iíve heard about internal sprayers, I think itís best to get someone in.


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    I got a Wagner sprayer for my fence. It was great. The fence surface was very degraded, warped and rough, so rolling and brushing was a very slow process. The sprayer helped me complete a job that was taking days in a few hours.

    I've not used one inside but would guess with a decent sprayer and paint formulated for spraying you could do a lovely finish. Masking would be a chore though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkeywaters View Post
    Really wouldnít try spraying with emulsion, pro set ups work but there is also much more preparation for spray work due to over spray and the general mess it creates, what you save in roller time you would out do in prep, also I donít think it would be much easier on your Arthur, while I do all my own DIY I would advise you get a trusted local decorator in, your health will thank you for it..
    This

    I thought the same thing, the machine will save loads of time etc. went out and bought a Graco sprayer, it took me more time cocking up with spray tip sizes,fan size, pressures and distances from surfaces plus the overspray. It was a steep learning curve especially as itís only for one room
    I have got better so hopefully the experience will be a little less chaotic next time, also you use a lot more paint than doing it by hand, thereís also the slight issue with touch ups too as a spray finish is flat touching up with a brush sticks out.

    However for painting outside it was a god send Iíve just finished spraying the shed and it took no time to get around it, so itís a big plus when used on large spaces.




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    The only problem with outside spraying is the wind (and insects at this time of the year). But you did a fine job there.
    'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    The only problem with outside spraying is the wind (and insects at this time of the year). But you did a fine job there.
    I did get very lucky with that, we back onto some lakes and in the height of summer itís awful with swarms




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    the only time i would use one of these sprayers indoors would be on a completely empty new or under renovation house - overspray mist will be everywhere.

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    I once worked both full and part-time as a painter ... my uncle's business ... IME the key to good painting is a decent set of pro-quality paint brushes and rollers ... still have my uncle's Hamilton Perfection brushes which are over 50 years young ... painting with cheap brushes / cheap rollers is false economy. Never used 'sprayers' ... cannot imagine how a sprayer can tackle woodwork
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugster View Post
    the only time i would use one of these sprayers indoors would be on a completely empty new or under renovation house - overspray mist will be everywhere.
    +1, my thoughts exactly!

    I do my own decorating even though I hate it, the older I get the less patience I have with decorating. I used to paint ceilings for my father years ago, he struggles as he got older and I`m now finding the same, ceilings are the worst part of the job and I end up with neck and shoulder pain after a short while. My strong advice is to get someone else to do the ceilings if you're really struggling, then do the rest yourself.

    As previously stated preparation is key, I scrub the walls with detergent and a scouring pad to ensure the surface is clean and the new paint will hold. Paint around the edges first with a brush then do the rest with a decent quality roller on an extension. I use a rectangular paint kettle in preference to a flat tray, I find it easier to load the roller this way. When you take a break cover the top with tin foil and wrap the roller up the same way, that'll prevent the paint starting to dry up and skin. Same for the brushes, wrap 'em in tinfoil whilst you have lunch etc.

    I always do the ceilings first, followed by the walls. I leave the glossing till last. I try to avoid using undercoat, if the old paint is good I simply sub it down with an abrasive pad and detergent soln then paint on top with gloss, provided the old gloss finish has been flattened down and the surface keyed the new paint will go on and stay on. As mentioned before, get some good quality brushes and look after them. Also advise using good paint, I find Dulux or Johnstones the best. It's worth doing the prep work for the glossing before painting the walls too.

    Water or oil-based gloss? There are pros and cons for both. Oil-based gloss gives a better finish and is easier to put on, but it's messy to clean up and it takes longer to dry. Biggest drawback with white gloss is yellowing, which spoils the look after a year or two. Water-based gloss is cleaner to use, easier to clear up spillages and clean brushes, but it doesn`t go on as nicely and it's nigh-on impossible to avoid brush marks. However, it doesn`t yellow and for me that's a worthwhile advantage.

    Everyone has their own way of decorating and that's what works for me.........but I still hate doing it.

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    Sprayers do work but if you're determined to do it yourself just buy a proper one (sell it when you;re done) and you need to cover EVERYTHING and also mask off the door so airborne paint doesnt migrate out of the room.

    It would be far easier to just pay someone to do the ceilings once you've prepped if that's the main problem.

    I usually do all my own decorating but with 3.5m ceilings and limited time during lockdown we stripped old paper and filled/prepped everything as that's lots of labour and costs the most to get a decorator to do - not only that but many don't prep to the standard I do such as heat paint-stripping things that have too many paint layers rather than sanding and removing 50 years of emulsion paint on detail cornicing with caustic stripper (most of them would rather do the minimum and move on to a new job).

    Once prep was done, we got a top-drawer decorator to just paint and the finish was actually better than mine for a very reasonable cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytip View Post
    I can see you are in South Wales so Iím going to guess by your username that you are in Barry. Do you want me to inbox you the number of the guy I use?
    Heís fast, neat and reasonably priced.
    Yes please, Jaytip.

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