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    Reliable Older 4x4

    I've been driving up to the Midlands weekly to care for my old man but sadly he's no longer with us. I'm retired and with the belt tightening I can't justify leaving my X3 on the drive with only trips to my in laws in Scotland plus a couple of holidays pa in the South West it won't get much use.

    I like the 4x4 style plus we've lots of luggage when we do go away so need to fit everything in but the main issue is reliability.

    I'm thinking of something in the region of 10k budget.

    Any suggestions much appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noaksey View Post
    I've been driving up to the Midlands weekly to care for my old man but sadly he's no longer with us. I'm retired and with the belt tightening I can't justify leaving my X3 on the drive with only trips to my in laws in Scotland plus a couple of holidays pa in the South West it won't get much use.

    I like the 4x4 style plus we've lots of luggage when we do go away so need to fit everything in but the main issue is reliability.

    I'm thinking of something in the region of 10k budget.

    Any suggestions much appreciated

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    Without seeing prices recently I'd recommend:

    Older land cruiser

    RAV4

    Isuzu Trooper

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    Honda CRV always a good shout for reliability...2.0 petrol is thirsty but will run forever...older 2.2 diesel had a few documented issues but I think the later engines were better...

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    a good used Skoda Yeti - we had 2 - 4x4 with 2 litre diesel engine - did 100,000+ kms in one with no problems other than a 12v battery change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noaksey View Post
    I like the 4x4 style plus we've lots of luggage when we do go away so need to fit everything in but the main issue is reliability.
    That would be Japanese-built in my experience. My old Land Cruiser is still driving around with over 350k miles on the clock, my taxi-driving friend in Egypt has well over 600k kilometres on his Mitsubishi car and in Africa and the middle east Toyota's reign supreme for longevity.

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    OP: do you mean a 4 wheel drive or just an SUV type of vehicle?

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    I'm a big fan of the boxy-model Nissan X-Trail. (I think 2014 was last date of manufacture?)

    Had two of them over the last 12yrs - a 2.2 diesel and a 2.0 diesel.

    First had more oomph, Second better consumption.

    Great 4x4 system (2wd, auto-4wd, locked 4wd) - which no amount of snow seems able to thwart.


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    Reliable Older 4x4

    +1 for the X-Trail

    We had a 2010 2.0ltr which was a bit of a weird one as most 2010s where
    2.2s and we loved it, it’s probably the only car I regret selling it never missed a beat in 5 years and 60k of driving

    Catchy name too……Nissan X-Trail adventurer explorer extreme


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    XC60/XC90 ??

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    Well discount anything with a Land Rover badge. I’d be looking Kia, Honda, Toyota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashtons99 View Post
    Well discount anything with a Land Rover badge. I’d be looking Kia, Honda, Toyota.
    nowt wrong with a FL2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky Four Fingers View Post
    nowt wrong with a FL2
    Except for the electrics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    Except for the electrics?
    Not normally an issue and an easy fix


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    Go for something Japanese…

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    Quote Originally Posted by FazerBoy View Post
    Go for something Japanese…
    This ^^^^^
    "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

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    Toyota RAV 4 definitely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky Four Fingers View Post
    Not normally an issue and an easy fix


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    Yep, just keep taking the battery terminals off to reset the system. Great!

    https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...81#post5994681

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    Don't need 4 wheel drive
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pointy View Post
    OP: do you mean a 4 wheel drive or just an SUV type of vehicle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    Yep, just keep taking the battery terminals off to reset the system. Great!

    https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...81#post5994681
    When i say a habit it seems that once a car has done it once it’ll do it again, its not something that just happens and moreover is a result of something thats happened, for instance having a flat battery or someone sticking a crappy fault reader on it.

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    Unless you need a hardcore offroader, then Honda CRV - all day long.

    (This comes from a Landcruiser owner of 18 years; long story, short is that any Landcruiser for 10k is going to be 12+ years old and probably need a bit of tlc - tin worm is your main enemy). You're better off with a softroader type X-trail/RAV4/CRV etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky Four Fingers View Post
    nowt wrong with a FL2
    My mechanic pal from LR reckons it’s about the most reliable model they have made in last 15 yrs. I had one and it was a nice thing, fortunately it still had warranty when haldex failed. I bottled it and sold it after that

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    Suzuki Jimny

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenlec View Post
    Suzuki Jimny
    Good car, comes with some ifs and buts. Mainly rust and road handling. PM me if you want to know more.

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    For me, and speaking from experience, a Lexus RX.

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    Thanks everyone some great ideas.

    I'll have a look at some of the suggestions

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    Echo, but I’m in an old RAV4 for similar reasons. Your budget gets you a nice one! I did all the research and travelled to get the right car privately. Dealers were a disgrace at this level.

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    Rav4 are not very big though, compared to X-Trails for example.
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    I bought a Peugeot 4007.
    It is basically a Mitsubishi Outlander with better toys for less money. So far it has been excellent, and the 4wd system is remarkably capable.
    I bought mine with 90k miles for half your budget

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    Up until quite recently I was running a 2000 MY Rav4 2.0vvti petrol. It was the first of the second series Ravs and I bought it off my parent's neighbour who had had it from new and had spared no expense on its upkeep. Predictably it was ultra reliable for most of its life BUT the fuel consumption was horrific. Taking it easy as one does in such a car I was still struggling to get anything over 28mpg from long journeys and significantly less on short runs. I wouldn't like to run that thing with today's fuel costs. I'm in a 2010 VW Tiguan tdi bluemotion now getting a genuine 49mpg. My fuel bill last week was £97. I imagine the Rav would have been pushing £200 and I'd have needed to fill it up at least once on the trip to Devon from the Midlands for a gig last Saturday.

    Diesel Ravs have some potentially expensive problems. I'm no expert but I seem to remember something about head gaskets and flywheels needing to be replaced. I think reliability gets better as you move up to the newer model releases and at your budget you may miss the problem models. I loved my Rav but I wanted to flag up that some of the diesel models aren't as good on reliability as they are made out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    I'm a big fan of the boxy-model Nissan X-Trail. (I think 2014 was last date of manufacture?)

    Had two of them over the last 12yrs - a 2.2 diesel and a 2.0 diesel.

    First had more oomph, Second better consumption.

    Great 4x4 system (2wd, auto-4wd, locked 4wd) - which no amount of snow seems able to thwart.

    This. Had an '04 X-Trail for some years and couldn't fault it. Great cars for the money.
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    What about a 4x4 estate car, like a Volvo XC70 or a Skoda Octavia Scout.

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    +1 for the Lexus RX, I had the 400h and it was bombproof.

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    Dacia Duster?

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    High Peak Autos on YouTube talks about some of these. Subaru Forester is another option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky Four Fingers View Post
    nowt wrong with a FL2
    Freelander 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jambo View Post
    Freelander 2?
    Yeh

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    Quote Originally Posted by julian2002 View Post
    +1 for the Lexus RX, I had the 400h and it was bombproof.
    I've had mine 6 years, before that I had Land Rover Discovey's four of them. The Lexus is by far the the best 4x4 I've ever owned incredible car!

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    We have had both a CR-V and a Freelander 2, still have the Freelander.

    Of the two, we prefer the Freelander - the diesel CR-V was a bit agricultural in comparison.

    Yes there are niggles and issues with the Freelander but no more than other cars in my experience. And for simple things like replacing a bulb they are much easier to work on.

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    Subaru Forester diesel

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    Had a look at a Honda CRV Petrol. Looks just the job now trying to find one with the right spec.

    The Lexus looks interesting though...

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    You’ll get an older Audi Q7 for that money or Volvo XC90 older edition.

    Good luck and hope you get fixed up

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    Rav 4

    Quick search found a 2012 model and if your only going to spend 10k. Best you get something reliable to avoid bills

    https://usedcars.toyota.co.uk/en/use...rive-S-mqcu4t2

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    Quote Originally Posted by DONGinsler View Post
    Rav 4

    Quick search found a 2012 model and if your only going to spend 10k. Best you get something reliable to avoid bills

    https://usedcars.toyota.co.uk/en/use...rive-S-mqcu4t2

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    If you can live with a manual a similar car or reasonably close in age and miles can be had for half that money. Or less. Particularly privately. Gives quite a fighting fund for bills. Quick example:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144307276834?

    Not sure the OP is a RAV4 fan tho.

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    Found a decent Honda CRV, test drive next week.

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    We’ve had Toyota Rav 4’s in the past.
    Both faultless.
    Toyota Land Cruiser practically bullet proof.
    If I was to throw a curve ball, maybe a 4x4 pick up? A Hilux double cab, with the smaller back? With a lockable rear load cover, should do all you need, plus in my experience of owning many, practically depreciation proof..

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    We had an older petrol RAV4 as our 3rd car runabout and dog vehicle

    Absolutely fine but drank petrol like nobody's business

    Had a look at the land cruiser but the ones in budget are seriously getting on a bit now

    Quote Originally Posted by deanlad View Post
    We’ve had Toyota Rav 4’s in the past.
    Both faultless.
    Toyota Land Cruiser practically bullet proof.
    If I was to throw a curve ball, maybe a 4x4 pick up? A Hilux double cab, with the smaller back? With a lockable rear load cover, should do all you need, plus in my experience of owning many, practically depreciation proof..
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    Freelanders must have improved because the original was the worst car I’d ever driven. Turning circle of a large boat.


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    We also had a Freelander 2...had that for around 5 years. Bit of a rare beast being a 3.2 ltr petrol engine - shared from a Volvo XC90.
    Only issue it had, and no one could ever cure it was random hot start issue. Sometimes in hot weather, the car would not start for 5-15 minutes...would turnover but not fire.
    Suddenly for no explanation, would burst into life again. Decptively nippy, a mile muncher and a nice exhaust note.

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