He needs to iron out that Fraud Joshua before retiring I
What a great uppercut to win the fight.
One of the all time greats?
Certainly one of my all time favourites and I will be sad to see him gone should his retirement be permanent.
He has nothing left for prove for me, thoughts?
He needs to iron out that Fraud Joshua before retiring I
As much as I like Joshua as an individual, I don't think he's worthy as a fighter of getting in the ring with a boxer the class of Fury.
With Ukraine war It may be a while before Usyk and Joshua fight so maybe not many fights out there for him now.
Just watched the sky interview with Tyson where the interviewer was probing him about Daniel Kinahan. Brilliant deflections. Fury is one of a kind and deserves all the credit and money he has got.
Miss match of a fight but a fight nonetheless. He will go down in history as one of the greats and can't think of a greater comeback in boxing history. Picking your time to retire is key and nows the time. AJ wouldn't stand a chance and any boxing fan knows that.
I don't know why Joshua is still in the conversation. He's an athlete, not a fighter. Exposed by Ruiz and taken to a dark place he didn't want to be by Usyk, AJ will never hold a belt again and so no longer holds any interest for the fans.
Two more fights for Fury then he'll retire as GOAT. Win the belts from Usyk then defend them once, job done.
Yes AJ should no longer me mentioned in the same sentence as Fury.
I hope Whyte gets another title shot some time in the not too distant future, he really has had a raw deal over the years.
I too don't think Fury will ever fight Usyk as any potential fight as the last OP has pointed out could be a good number of years away. At Fury's age it would be silly to carry on with nothing left to prove.
AJ avoided Fury at every opportunity, excuses after excuses, meanwhile Fury smashed Wilder on three occasions.
Ruiz a nobody showed the world how good AJ was Usyk torn him a new one.
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Good fighter in a division that’s in it’s poorest state in my lifetime. Talk of GOAT is strange. Who has he fought that would give him that level of greatness? An over the hill Wlad, who then also lost to AJ, and Deontay, who was hardly a great champion. Other than that his biggest wins were against the might of Derek Chisora. He had the opportunity to unify but managed to dodge the fight that everyone wanted.
Good fighter but has never been tested against true greats like Lennox, Holyfield, Bowe, Ali and the real Tyson, all of whom would have, imo, destroyed him. Not his fault, he can only fight who is available, but can never be considered the greatest.
One of a kind - I'm pleased for him, going out on a high and on his terms - what a turnaround from not so long ago. Both Tysons - unmatched in their prime and what a legacy. Will he fight again - only he knows.
His size and boxing craft would make him difficult for any of the past greats imo.
Everyone wants to see the big battles, or devastating knockouts of the past greats - but that doesn’t always mean that they were the best boxers.
Tyson (Mike) at 5’11” would struggle against the huge boxers of today, and he was probably my favourite heavyweight to watch of all time.
Im not convinced that the talk of retirement isn’t a play to line up one last huge pay day. We will see. Once things die down, there’s more people that would pay to watch Joshua/Tyson than last nights fight, so there would be money there.
Also, good to see how Tyson got his composure back very quickly after being angry and frustrated last night.
It's just a matter of time...
& already I see there is talk of a UFC Heavyweight Champ / Boxing Heavyweight champ match up - so that could be a very big money day for both of them!
& why not. Most people in sport have quite a limited time frame to make money from their fights.
It's just a matter of time...
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Fury, GOAT? I guess that the 20th century isn't included in that.
F.T.F.A.
I love all this ‘he’s got nothing left to prove’ nonsense, yes he’s a hell of a boxer but the GOAT? Not yet I’m afraid..
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With most fighters, I'm urging them to retire while they're undefeated and still have their faculties. I somehow fear there are greater dangers for Fury in retiring than carrying on. If he can find (or has found) something to replace boxing, retire. But if not, it's probably best to give the can a kick down the road.
Always makes me laugh when people talk about GOAT. I watched a heavyweight division that included Liston, Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Ernie Shavers and Ken Norton fighting each other. Then came Tyson, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Holyfield, etc.
Fury is good but not in that class. Shame he missed the Klitschko brothers as they would have been a good match for him. Joshua is just a modern day Bruno.
Already pointed out elsewhere about Wilder 1, but I think he’s just a class above the rest. They’ve all beat each other but won’t get near Fury.
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I suppose he can only fight who’s active and of the current crop, he’s miles ahead.
I've been a fan of heavyweight boxing back to the early Ali days. Very difficult to compare over generations, but what we can compare is size. These modern fighters would dwarf those from the golden era. I just don't see guys at 14st-15st coping with the likes of Fury at 6'9" and 50llbs heavier.
It's the same with other sports, modern football and Rugby players would be too big and strong for players from the 60's and 70's. It's progress, but you can only be best in your own era.
Foreman was 6’3” and weighed in at 267 lbs or 19stone. Larry Holmes 250+ lbs. Tyson 210lbs and 5’ 11” but big guys were made for his style as he proved by beating them all in his pomp. Their bodies would not have survived once he got inside. Thats if his two handed hooks and uppercuts did not lay them out first.
Fury is the best around just now but he would not have survived back then. IMHO of course.
Or further back consider the tiny, comparatively speaking, Marciano who destroyed every single heavier, taller man he fought...and he had short T rex type arms.
Sure the gypsy bloke's the best at the moment and he's a massive lump no doubt but imho there's been plenty who'd have beaten him in their day. Though as observed earlier they, fighters don't get to choose who is around at the same time.
Last edited by Passenger; 25th April 2022 at 14:23.
Holyfield and Lennox were the last greats. Mike Tyson could have been but short circuited. People forget Tyson was only the man for 18 months then the Douglas fight happened. He was 23 and was never the same after that. Never avenge any of his losses and never bit down on his gum shield and gritted it out to win. Both of those things Holyfield and Lennox did.
Tyson was champion from Nov 86 until Feb 1990. He was the undisputed champion for much of that after winning the unification tournament. Still the youngest heavyweight champ with an 88% knockout win percentage which was seriously impressive for a 5ft 11 inch man only weighing 210 lbs in that class.
I'm a fan of Fury but all this hysteria about him being one of the greats is nonsense. He's a good fighter no doubt but come on, we don't even have to go back that far to see the likes of Lennox Lewis who would definitely have beaten Fury. Fury has beaten Wilder who is the biggest fraud heavyweight champion I can remember (just look at the chumps he beat), Klitschko when he was at the end of his career and Whyte who isn't remotely a genuine heavyweight champion contender. It's virtually impossible to compare across eras but rather than being the GOAT, he's more likely to be in the top 20 or 30 heavyweight champs.
He’s dominated pretty much everyone in the division. He doesn’t control who is active at the time but even Lewis was beat by 2 boxers with 23 combined total losses between them.
He can’t do no more than he has so far and remaining unbeaten with some of the big punchers of this era being in their prime is some achievement.
Were these fighters in their prime?
Spinks? No
Holmes? No
Did he beat his fellow elites in their prime?
Holyfield? No No
Lewis? No
Did he fight
bowe? No
Moorer? No
Morrison? No
McCall? No
Did Holyfield knock out james Tillis who went the distance with Tyson?
Yes
Was Holyfield ever the bigger man in any of his heavyweight fights?
No
Did Lewis perform better against ruddock?
Yes
Did Tyson vacate the wbc title he won from Bruno to avoid Lewis?
Yes
I m not saying Tyson wasnt a force for that short time but to give him so much praise in my eyes is unfair on others of his era that had not only in more competitive fights but also showed true champion spirit of digging deep to win and or avenging a loss.
Tyson was bigger than boxing for a while. He kind of hit the realms of Elvis, Beatles type fame. And when he was in his prime there wasn’t anyone more exciting. Clearly he isn’t the greatest boxer ever due to motivation and incidents out of boxing but for part of his career he was brilliant.
And I’m of the opinion you hit greatness by challenging yourself in boxing and not by manipulating a win streak; I’d choose Canelo over Mayweather any day as the better boxer.
But, I think Tyson could hold his own against any of the fighters mentioned. He’s a brilliant boxer and 6’9.
Mike Tyson was an exciting boxer to watch which is why he made(and lost) so much money. I can remember staying up late to watch him. I don’t get the this boxer will beat that one from different eras. No one really knows we just have to enjoy what we have at any given time.
For my Tyson Fury is a great fighter and I love his views on life and his interviews.
Just a couple of things as not going through them all. Tyson was only 22. Spinks was in his prime for a heavyweight at 32, undefeated and a champion. 91 seconds later it was all over.
Mike Tyson was past his mental prime by the time Bowe, Moorer and Mcall etc were making it big. After losing Cus plus his trainer Kevin Rooney and getting involved with Don King, he was finished. Same with being past it when fighting Holyfield who waited to sign until Tyson was not the same. Lot of respect for Holyfield as a classic technician coming up from cruiserweight through to heavy.
But for real fights you just have to look at the middleweights of Hagler, Hearns, Leonard etc. The Hagler/Hearns fight of 1985 called the War has always been voted the 3 greatest rounds in boxing history. Worth a watch on Youtube.
Fighter I have most repect for was Julio Cesar Chavez. 87 fight winning streak, 5 world titles at 3 different weights etc.
Anyway its about Fury who although good plus big is not the GOAT imho.
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I rate Fury very highly. Very difficult to compare boxers over different eras. My two favourite boxers are Hagler and Holyfield. Think we should be enjoying the quality of boxing across the majority of weights. We are lucky to have so many excellent fighters at the moment
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McCall had lost on five occasions and Rahman twice when they fought Lewis.
Not sure about your statement that Fury has dominated everyone in the division. Since the Klitschko fight, the only top 10 ranked boxers he has fought have been Wilder and Whyte.
I do think he is the best around at the moment but he hasn’t dominated everyone in the division. That’s just not true.
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