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    Anyone tightening up their finances?

    The headline news of late is either Russia/Ukraine or cost of living going through the roof with both closely connected.

    Looks like we might get more interest rate rises due to inflation, petrol/diesel will not come down a significant amount anytime soon and as we head into the Autumn the predictions for utility bills look horrendous, I only have a mortgage with nothing else borrowed but those who have all their wages going on the never never will surely struggle.

    Maybe this summer is a time to put some money away for the winter bills or make some financial changes ready for higher interest rates?

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    I think that most of us are having to make some adjustments but I really don't know how those who already found it hard to make ends meet are going to cope.
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    Yes things like a holiday or eating out are dead to me now, i have a little spare for low end watches and some gaming but thats about it

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    Anyone not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lewie View Post
    Anyone not?
    I'm not.

    I'm retired and don't use the car much.

    My heating bills have always been pretty high because I like a warm house.

    I don't think inflation and price rises will have much of an effect on me TBH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C View Post
    I'm not.

    I'm retired and don't use the car much.

    My heating bills have always been pretty high because I like a warm house.

    I don't think inflation and price rises will have much of an effect on me TBH.
    Similar Neil - will just keep an eye on things for now.
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    1 degree off my house thermostat (never keep the house toasty anyway), 5mph off my cruising speed on my commute, haven't bought any of my usual beers for a couple of months and a few other minor things.

    To be honest it's made zero negative impact on my life so many of the adjustments may stay regardless.

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    I have done a bit of tweaking but honestly going 100% remote for work has been the biggest saving - yes there are some increased energy costs but they are nowhere near the cost of going to work by training or having to own a car. Plus over time you spend money when you go to the office in one way or the other.

    A modern energy efficient home means if I have the heating on for an hour in the morning when we get up the office is warm enough all dasy.

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    I advise everyone to revisit their budget and be aware of the impact the recent increases will have on their finances. Look for areas of spending that can be tightened up without having significant impact on quality of life and be realistic about how much you really spend.

    Some folks are more extravagant than others, those who are careful with spending will have less scope for savings whilst others will have far more. I’m definitely at the ‘careful’ end of the scale so I can’t see much scope for savings without radical changes.

    As regards heating costs there’s little I can do, top of my list is to sort out the loft insulation which all needs re- laying following major work.

    Cutting down unnecessary short car journeys is one way to save, but that’s not always easy when time is at a premium.

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    This Matthew. It's going to be horrendous for lots of people. I'll certainly be looking to squeeze a few quid from where I can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    I think that most of us are having to make some adjustments but I really don't know how those who already found it hard to make ends meet are going to cope.

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    Fortunately, Liz & I are mortgage free now so that's not a concern but what we spend on our fuel and bills has swallowed that saving, however I did earn 7p in interest in my bank account😐
    I've set my boiler heat flow to 60°C and reduced the water temperature too.
    Reset also room temperature down to 19°C
    That'll save some money.
    We only eat fresh fruit and veg and make our own soups... no E numbers. You can save quite a bit by eating sensibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    I think that most of us are having to make some adjustments but I really don't know how those who already found it hard to make ends meet are going to cope.
    This. We will trim things a bit to make sure that we aren’t needlessly feathering the nests of energy suppliers etc, but the main concern I have is the people who work for us (cleaner, gardener, dog walker). We’ve looked at their pay rates and although we have kept abreast of inflation over the years we’ve just upped them all more substantially to try and help where we can. It’s only a few hours a week for each but hopefully it’s helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PreacherCain View Post
    This. We will trim things a bit to make sure that we aren’t needlessly feathering the nests of energy suppliers etc, but the main concern I have is the people who work for us (cleaner, gardener, dog walker). We’ve looked at their pay rates and although we have kept abreast of inflation over the years we’ve just upped them all more substantially to try and help where we can. It’s only a few hours a week for each but hopefully it’s helpful.
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    Everything seems to have gone up at the same time. I have locked my car and house and contents insurance into three year deals with SAGA so at least those will remain the same. I had a water meter put in last month and the direct debit dropped by £70 a month. I think it’s wise to be as savvy as possible and be ready for the worst.

    My energy direct debit leaps by £105 in April, but on top of that I’m starting an energy slush fund to put additional money by in case the revised direct debit doesn’t keep with usage, although we are heading into the summer season as such and on line accounts are great for keeping tabs on things.

    I suspect the High Street will feel the effect of all of this as people stop shopping for luxuries and just stick to essentials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    Everything seems to have gone up at the same time. I have locked my car and house and contents insurance into three year deals with SAGA so at least those will remain the same. I had a water meter put in last month and the direct debit dropped by £70 a month. I think it’s wise to be as savvy as possible and be ready for the worst.
    Thinking of getting a water meter - anyone else any experience of the savings as don’t think it’s reversible? Just the 2 of us now though Mrs K does like her showers.

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    You can buy your own meter and monitor your usage, very easy to fit
    From memory cost about £40 for a decent one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Thinking of getting a water meter - anyone else any experience of the savings as don’t think it’s reversible? Just the 2 of us now though Mrs K does like her showers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Thinking of getting a water meter - anyone else any experience of the savings as don’t think it’s reversible? Just the 2 of us now though Mrs K does like her showers.
    We did it because both kids have left home and our dog passed last September. A lot of our usage was hosing down outside after the dog had done his duties. The drop in the direct debit was big, but as the cost is based on usage probably wise to stash a bit of cash just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Thinking of getting a water meter - anyone else any experience of the savings as don’t think it’s reversible? Just the 2 of us now though Mrs K does like her showers.

    I think it usually works out cheaper with a meter if there's just two of you (unless you like watering large lawns etc). When we had a meter installed at our (then) home 30 years ago, it cut the bill in half. Just the two of us and no garden watering then. You are right, once installed, there's no going back.

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    Tbh I think the real issues will be next winter. At least we are coming into spring/summer now so actual heating is not such an issue. If your monthly bill was £100 over the last 6 months this 50% increase makes it £150 but they expect another 25% in October which makes it £187.50. The general costs of everything will also go up due to energy costs as well so I really pity anyone on low incomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reecie View Post
    Tbh I think the real issues will be next winter. At least we are coming into spring/summer now so actual heating is not such an issue. If your monthly bill was £100 over the last 6 months this 50% increase makes it £150 but they expect another 25% in October which makes it £187.50. The general costs of everything will also go up due to energy costs as well so I really pity anyone on low incomes.
    Yes that what I was thinking about next winter, people will be lured into a false security if we get a decent spring/summer/autumn in terms of warmth, once the thermostat has to go up then reality will kick in.

    We've had years of prosper even under covid, free money was being handed out, lots of people moved and took bigger mortgages during the SDLT holiday, lots of cars purchased on the tick, it all adds up to the majority of a monthly wage goes on paying debt for many.

    I do think we are in for a prolonged period of change, my house has more than doubled in price since 2010 when we moved in and there is no way I could afford to buy my own house now, its been on a steady climb since and at some point there has to be a correction in the market, I thought Covid would hit the property market but no - war with Russia and ever increasing costs must surely bring property back to reality??

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    Quote Originally Posted by reecie View Post
    Tbh I think the real issues will be next winter. At least we are coming into spring/summer now so actual heating is not such an issue. If your monthly bill was £100 over the last 6 months this 50% increase makes it £150 but they expect another 25% in October which makes it £187.50. The general costs of everything will also go up due to energy costs as well so I really pity anyone on low incomes.
    At the tail end of last year I couldn’t understand why Martin Lewis was advising people not to fix their gas and and electric. I fixed mine until October 2023 as long as Eon don’t go bust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Thinking of getting a water meter - anyone else any experience of the savings as don’t think it’s reversible? Just the 2 of us now though Mrs K does like her showers.
    As far as I’m aware the original installer has (used to have) the option of 12 months trial with a water meter

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    It really hit home to me from 1st April when my smart meter showed my daily usage cost had doubled. I’m definitely going to think twice about making any frivolous purchases.


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    I've been intending to go to zero emission motoring for ages, and the increase in daily driving distances due to taking eldest to and from college coupled with rocketing fuel costs and frequent availability issues have tipped me over the brink. We currently have free charging at work and a couple of nearby supermarkets, so it is going to make a big difference financially and my better half won't have to think twice about hopping into the car to visit her family over in north Wales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    I've been intending to go to zero emission motoring for ages, and the increase in daily driving distances due to taking eldest to and from college coupled with rocketing fuel costs and frequent availability issues have tipped me over the brink. We currently have free charging at work and a couple of nearby supermarkets, so it is going to make a big difference financially and my better half won't have to think twice about hopping into the car to visit her family over in north Wales.
    I can't see how Free Charging can carry on. Plus with the cost of electricity pretty much tripling by the time we get to 2023 just how cost effective can electric motoring be?

    It's been said by many that EVs are not the way to go for climate change too. They seem a lost cause

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmonaco View Post
    I can't see how Free Charging can carry on. Plus with the cost of electricity pretty much tripling by the time we get to 2023 just how cost effective can electric motoring be?

    It's been said by many that EVs are not the way to go for climate change too. They seem a lost cause
    It's not a decision that I made lightly, I did loads of research and decided that the balance now tipped in the favour of EVs for us and that it was time to replace a 15 year old uneconomical car. They are probably not the end game but fossil fuels are a finite resource, something has to happen to reduce reliance, and this is a step. I doubt whether they are a lost cause judging from the way that the technology is developing, and demand is off the scale. As more energy for charging moves to renewables we can hope that costs and climate impact will at least level out. It doesn't half shift as well, and I love being able to listen to music properly on those long drives. This is a fairly subjective take on them: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00162yr

    In the context of this thread, I expect that free top-up charging will last for a couple of years which will get us through a particularly high mileage period of daily college commutes. We are currently saving over £200 a month on vehicle fuel, which helps cover increases elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redmonaco View Post
    I can't see how Free Charging can carry on. Plus with the cost of electricity pretty much tripling by the time we get to 2023 just how cost effective can electric motoring be?

    It's been said by many that EVs are not the way to go for climate change too. They seem a lost cause
    We have very limited free charging at work to encourage people to get evs now more people have got them they are going to charge for it

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    I noticed that petrol jumped last week, and guess what, its gone up again this week

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    I do wonder how deaths due to hypothermia will be recorded?
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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    I do wonder how deaths due to hypothermia will be recorded?
    No doubt there'll be interminable discussions over the importance "with" or "of".

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    This opened my eyes!

    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...k-account.html

    We started thinking about times like these a few years ago,

    The only debt we have is our mortgage. We have enough in savings to clear 75% of it.

    We have two rentals that are mortgage free. The money from these gives us a comfortable life.


    Some of our friends I genuinely fear for, their monthly out going’s are almost their monthly income now.

    Hard times are coming for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number2 View Post
    I do wonder how deaths due to hypothermia will be recorded?
    Of hypothermia, or with hypothermia?

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    I am not only in the office once a week, so there is still the £100 saving there (scary time think what was normal). I tend to not put heating on in the day unless required or my hand aches, I don’t enjoy heat.

    Half my commute saving goes on buying food for food banks. Personally though I wish I could fund heating for elderly instead as that really worries me.

    If my smart meter ever worked, I’d see the direct changes. Previously I was 4p/hr electricity from memory for just running the house; freezer, fridge etc. so would assume from news & comments it will be 7k or so.

    We are very lucky, we own everything outright aside from a mortgage we can clear after the fixed rate. I just wish I could help some of my friends who won’t accept support but I know are going to really struggle in the coming months. They have already stripped things back before all this started.
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    My timing is a bit off as we are moving to a new house this week. I am quite concerned as I have no idea of how much it is going to cost to run. Already the new mortgage is another £800 a month. Fortunately I've fixed it for two years so it won't be going up for a bit. First thing I'll do will be stuffing more insulation in the attic and under the floorboards.

    And the wife wants to buy one of those American style fridge freezers which are about the least energy efficient you can get. She was still adamant even after I showed her it was going to cost £70 a year more than an equivalent sized standard one. Couple that with a sudden desire for £2ks worth of garden furniture. Interesting discussions to have over the next few weeks.

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    Really should be tightening up but have not done so yet. Still on a fixed energy tariff until May so a couple of months before we feel it.

    Mortgage due for renewal also this Summer so let’s see how that plays out.

    Literally everything is going up. Including childcare fees, essential shopping, activities for the kids and of course energy and fuel.

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    I'd remortgaged on a 5 year fixed rate in Jan so no increases for a while. I'd been paying off a 6 figure medical bill that still had some £70k left with half of that on high interest credit cards and that's being remortgaged and paid off slowly over 25 years but it will save a huge amount per month.

    I keep a strict food budget so it's just a case of adjusting what we eat ti that but thankfully neither myself or the missus drink alcohol at home. Virtually free motoring (£7 for 500 miles in my Tesla) and I live in a small flat so the electricity and heating bills won't be much.

    Inflation is also a retrospective thing - we are in it now so to see how we would suffer ask yourself how you are suffering now as it won't get much worse than that. Economy still booming and demand for talent so that's an opportunity to increase salary etc. Basically make adjustments to what goes out and adjustments to what goes in etc and all should be OK.

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    We’ve made a number of small adjustments. Seems the right thing to do.

    I really feel for the people who won’t be able to balance their books with already tight household budgets.

    I fear this will push some people into some really dark corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Virtually free motoring (£7 for 500 miles in my Tesla)
    How are you doing this? Charging for free in supermarkets or at work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    How are you doing this? Charging for free in supermarkets or at work?
    Plus the cost if the vehicle and insurance. I's really like an EV, but I'm struggling with the maths.

    On the plus side have remortgaged to a very good two year fixed. I'm on a variable energy tariff, but we are going into summer. My bet, based on a conversation with a few people in the energy markets is that oil prices will normalise before the year is out or we wi have something much bigger to worry about. I'm considering solar, but not sure how long we'll stay put. We have a tendency to move. Job market is definitely up and employers will pay to keep you. Less household income, due to a new arrival, but also less travel so net net in the short term. Food prices definitely up, really noticed shrinkflation for the first time today. No unsecured debt so don't feel very exposed, but planning for a somewhat simpler year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrudd View Post
    Plus the cost of the vehicle and insurance. I'd really like an EV, but I'm struggling with the maths.
    It depends very much on circumstances. In our case we saw it as converting an ISA that was earning bugger all into something that will save us in the region of £250 a month and was better for the planet than burning unsustainable fossil fuels. Insurance is similar to our previous family motors, it's a fairly modest car by electric standards but ticks all the boxes for us including decent range. Many offices have free charging, mine included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    Many offices have free charging, mine included.
    Mine does too but I can't get it to work. Charger definitely works, car and cable work, but not all three together. Tesla think it's an authentication issue but want £90 to come out and see it with their own eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    How are you doing this? Charging for free in supermarkets or at work?
    Yep mostly free Podpoints at Tesco

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Yep mostly free Podpoints at Tesco
    That's one way of saving up for a Grand Seiko Kodo!

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    I bought my first house in 1984 and had a mortgage until 2011 and for most of that period the average was around 5%, but during the John Major government they did climb as high as 15% which was painful as I recall and ultimately lead to his mob being booted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    I bought my first house in 1984 and had a mortgage until 2011 and for most of that period the average was around 5%, but during the John Major government they did climb as high as 15% which was painful as I recall and ultimately lead to his mob being booted out.
    John Majors "mob" got deservedly booted out because Tony Blair under NuLab was far more of a Tory than the Tories themselves. If I remember correctly, he secured a 180 odd majority and of course after 3 election wins Labour forced him out and replaced him with the dour Gordon Brown. They have been losing ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golf View Post
    You can buy your own meter and monitor your usage, very easy to fit
    From memory cost about £40 for a decent one.
    Never thought of that TBH but just looked online and I was mistaken, have 2 years to change mind, so nothing to lose might as well go ahead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wallasey Runner View Post
    We did it because both kids have left home and our dog passed last September. A lot of our usage was hosing down outside after the dog had done his duties. The drop in the direct debit was big, but as the cost is based on usage probably wise to stash a bit of cash just in case.
    Looking at my figures, only pay £75/month surprised that you could save £70!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post

    Looking at my figures, only pay £75/month surprised that you could save £70!
    My water rates previously were just under a grand a year. The new charge for the year is £335. I suppose the sting in the tail is that if you use a lot of water there would be additional costs.

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    It’s not going to cause us any issues other than a bit less disposable income, but both the kids are now renting, and they may need some help.

    Pete

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    Trying to convince the rest of the household we need to stop wasting energy. Been trying for years, but they are all collectively useless at turning lights off and keeping the heating down. I’m ramping up the pressure, but it’s hard work.

    Saved a few quid already this year having to cancel holidays due to injury, I’d rather be away, but it’s extra cash in the bank I guess!


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