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    BBQ - Gas or Coal & Recommendations

    Itís that time of year and we need to invest in a proper BBQ. Thought there would be 100 threads on this but you canít search less than four letters so apologies for any duplication.

    I understand coal is going to give a better flavour but it takes ages and my clothes stink so Iím tempted to go with gas. Hoping that way I can just come inside and flop on the sofa when itís over without needing to shower and change. Is gas the way to go and can you actually buy gas bottles at the minute?

    There is a Weber on JL thatís coal and gas (you can choose each time I think) but is that just marketing nonsense and more to go wrong? Are flavourisers useful or do they just ladder you up the catalogue? Equally do I really need to buy a specialist cover for £100+? Seems extreme. Is a four burner BBQ dramatically better than a three burner? Anything else I should be considering?

    Thank you in advance for the guidance, hopefully this is mind numbing enough to break up the Swatch and Rolex threads this week!

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    When and how are you planning on using it? Once in a blue moon when weather, planets and mood are aligned or regularly? Throughout the year or just when you wear flip flops and short sleeved shirts? flipping burgers or looking into roasting, smoking, etc.?
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    Went through this a couple of years ago and eventually went for the best bang for buck coal BBQ.

    The main cleaning you will need to do is for the grills and catch tray, both coal and gas will make the same mess. The small amount more cleaning you need to do extra for spent coals is offset by not needing to find a gas supplier and knowing exactly how much fuel you have at any point.

    The cooking I have done on mine has been typical burgers, sausages, kebabs and any BBQ will be able to do that. If you are wanting to cook something specialist then you might need something more advanced but I didn't.

    I picked up a decent one with wheels, a lid, thermometer, prep tabletop and height adjustable coals for £100 from Asda. Used it for 2 summers, left it outside with a cover over it and it looks pretty much new still.

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    I tried gas and went back to charcoal

    Assuming you do choose charcoal and dont want to drop a grand or 2 on a Kamado style, If I was you, i'd get a Weber kettle, specifically the mastertouch 5750 for about £250, very versatile, grill bangers & burgers and can do some low and slow on one too. That said, i bought a cheap £60 morrisons weber knock off at the start of lockdown 1 and it's still going strong. Not as well built as a weber, more of a pain to empty and less airflow adjustment, but i have a separate bullet smoker for low n slow stuff.
    Get a cheap cover from amazon for £15 or so. A chimney starter, some natural firelighters and you're away
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    I love a BBQ but am a fair weather cook more than a low and slow - smoker type of guy

    If you are like me then I would highly recommend a weber I have a few - personally I dont think you can beat the taste of a charcoal bbq but gas definitely has its benefits (main one being speed of use and regulating temperatures)

    if you go charcoal I would whole heartedly recommend a bbq starter makes life so much easier to get the bbq going!!

    I have a weber go anywhere (does what it says on the tin great for camping trips), a weber GBS 57cm charcoal bbq which is brilliant for entertaining and has loads of add ons (sear grate, rottissreie, pizza stone etc....) and there are hundreds of tips on you tube of how to articulate temperatures etc and I also have a weber spirit gas that we use the most for a quick meal without too much clearing up etc....

    I always use a decent marinade with most things I cook so rely on my own flavour combos, but again lots of tips on line and beer can chicken is a must try!!!!

    Regards a cover I have both a weber one and an aftermarket one but not really sure it makes a difference as ultimately its just to protect them from the elements - but i do think they are a good addition for longevity if you are going to leave it out all year round

    I managed to get a great deal on my spirit at b&q in a clearance event but failing that Riverside garden centre always have good deals via the likes of hotukdeals and its where I got my gbs from again in a half price sale though I doubt youll get any cheap at this time of year

    Good luck in whatever you choose I keep thinking about an egg but its a bit beyond my skill set for the minute
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    Charcoal has the potential for far higher temperatures - almost Bessemer Furnace temps.

    I bought one of these a couple of years ago, and it is pretty good.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Char-Broil-...50&sr=8-2&th=1

    BUT - the stainless tray for charcoal use - warped and sprung the spot welds on the vents. I got a new one FOC from the maker. The old one is still usable, so will wait until it gives up completely.


    You use the gas to light 1, 2, or all 3 bays of coal, which is quite handy and fast.


    What would I buy now? I'd get a good charcoal BBQ, and a gas BBQ.

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    Always used a charcoal Weber, went on holiday 3 years ago and there was a Charbroil gas BBQ in the villa. Got on really well with it so bought one back in the UK.

    Used it for one season and sold it. Not sure if it was my cooking style combined with fatty UK burgers and sausage, but it just flared too much and tainted the food with burnt fat.

    Back to charcoal for me, not Weber this time, something much more insulated and controllable for long cooks. Bit of a faff cleaning out the ash, but weíll chuffed with it.

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    2 things:
    - if you get a cover* get one that only covers the BBQ, especially if where you leave the BBQ can be windy. A cover that goes all the way down can act like a sail, and the BBQ can be upended in a gust (ask me how I know).
    - regardless of the BBQ you get, spend a little more and get an enamelled one (Weber). If not consider your BBQ will do 3 to 5 years before becoming a pile of rust. Unless of course you decided on ceramic.

    * if you choose enamel the cover is not really necessary. Previously I had an Outback (charcoal) that was lovely but everything disintegrated in the end: first the ash tray, then the body itself, despite a cover. Therefore I got a cover for the Weber, first winter it was knocked over, so out went the cover. My Weber Performer is over 10 years old and is rust-free.
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    I have both. Weber three burner gas for quick cooks and grilling. A Weber Mastertouch for longer cooks and when I have more time.
    Prefer charcoal but gas is a reasonable alternative for burgers and sausages. Also have a rotisserie attachment which is great on either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint-Just View Post
    - regardless of the BBQ you get, spend a little more and get an enamelled one (Weber). If not consider your BBQ will do 3 to 5 years before becoming a pile of rust. Unless of course you decided on ceramic.
    Or aluminium!


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    If you are going to use it a lot you may want to consider the price of bottled gas

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    Iíve been trying to replace a 6 kg Calor propane bottle for a year. Theyíre nigh on impossible to find


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    Iím going to say Weber all the way - Iíve had (still have) a couple of Qís

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    I was always a coal advocate but decided to try gas so as to minimise the time of getting it all ready. I have kept 1 of my Webber BBQs and kit should I need it.

    I have to say that I have had more BBQs in the past year than I ever had with a coal BBQnin the same period.

    I do occasionally miss the ceremony of having a proper BBQ, but havenít felt the need to pull it out of the garage as gas is much simpler and easier for my needs.

    I did try a £25 B&Q BBQ before jumping in and purchasing a Weber.

    Happy BBQing

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomberman View Post
    I was always a coal advocate but decided to try gas so as to minimise the time of getting it all ready. I have kept 1 of my Webber BBQs and kit should I need it.

    I have to say that I have had more BBQs in the past year than I ever had with a coal BBQnin the same period.

    I do occasionally miss the ceremony of having a proper BBQ, but havenít felt the need to pull it out of the garage as gas is much simpler and easier for my needs.

    I did try a £25 B&Q BBQ before jumping in and purchasing a Weber.

    Happy BBQing

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    I know what you mean, and if you are also using the oven facility - works very well. But if you want a properly-seared steak - you need good lumpwood charcoal.

    To get the heat right up - I get a load more oxygen to the coals using a hairdryer (not needed for its primary function these days ) - and basting the steaks with butter - play a propane blowtorch on the sides and upper surface when on the grate. Super-seared and not overdone.

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    Charcoal for flavour, gas for convenience.

    Nothing beats the smell of a charcoal BBQ, Weber's Smokey Joe is my pick, however it's a faff so it's not often used.

    Our main BBQ is a gas Weber Q, had it years and it's regularly used from April through to Oct.

    So if you're the type of person that has a couple of BBQ's every summer go for charcoal, if you want to grill on a BBQ every week, get a gas burner.

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    Gas is our lunch / mid week default & upgraded the Weber spirit of many moons ago to a genesis last year. Annoyingly see they have a free rotisserie this year!!

    I also have a Smokey Joe, BGE XL and Minimax for other cooks as charcoal is more of an experience.

    TBH wood chips in a foil container on a gas adds then missing flavour.

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    The consensus appears to be Weber for a good reason

    Indirect barbecuing is revaluation and not at all fancyÖ

    Simply sear over the flames, move away and cook with lid on away from the flamesÖ. Easy peasy and always good results

    As many have stated - the chimneys are a must have - you get it going with minimum ifuss and smell

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    Ive had coal and gas. Bought a gas weber and used it dozens of times more than a coal. In summer I used it 2-3 times a week some weeks. Coal was such a faff I rarely used it 2-3 times a month.

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    As Saint Just said, Weber BBQs are enameled not painted, and simply don't rust*.


    I'm not sure why people think charcoal is a faff? Start it in a chimney, then go prepare your food. When you're ready, the charcoal's ready. Indirect cooking is the way to go, and for sausages, burgers, chicken fillets etc. you literally put the food in, close the lid, and come back in 20 minutes or so.







    *Not entirely true. Mine has sat uncovered for 6 years, and the screw for the top air vent has gone rusty.

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    Thank you for the replies, really helpful and validated some of what I thought already. Really appreciate it.

    We have a little round Weber which just about does the two of us but isnít used a lot as itís charcoal and not worth the effort for two.

    I think a gas Weber will be what we go for.

    Does anyone have the one with the gas hob on the side? Is it useful? Also is four burner a big step up from a three burner?

    Iíve only looked at John Lewis so far but Iím guessing there are smarter places to shop once Iíve narrowed down to a specific model.

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    I had a gas BBQ with side burner. For me, the side burner was an unused gimmick. Unless you're doing all your food prep outside, you'll be going to the kitchen anyway. Maybe useful for fried onions?

    I don't know if this is true for all gas BBQs, but the one I had took a while to reach cooking temperature - it wasn't instant cook.

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    Was hoping to use the hob part to fry fish outside when weíre not using the bbq. Not a fan of fried fish in the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Was hoping to use the hob part to fry fish outside when weíre not using the bbq. Not a fan of fried fish in the house.
    Had a side burner on a cheap bbq, heat output was poor tbh. Not looked at the Weber outputs, but have always seen it as a sauce type of prep burner vs frying, no idea really though.

    4 burner is huge vs a 3, always fancied the idea of going larger but ended up with a 3 burner Genesis. The increase in quality vs the Spirit is huge.

    If you look at the Genesis, there is a cheaper version that doesnít have a fully enclosed cabinet. Depending on where the bbq is, it may mean you are looking at a drip tray / underside of bbq when seated. We went full cabinet as it is next to the outdoor seating area.

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    I BBQ a lot, at least 2 to 3 times a week all year round. I've had both charcoal and gas in the past but have settled on gas due to how much I use it. Had Outbacks and plenty of other makes but settled on a 3 burner Weber Spirit which came with the proper Weber cover (excellent cover and a must if it's left out in all weathers). It's a great bit of kit for my use and definitely worth paying the premium.

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    This is a timely thread for me, Iíve been looking to replace our old outback flatbed BBQ, Iíve never really been happy with it and always felt that it was very limited to what I could do with it.

    Now Iím getting really drawn to the Weber Genesis with the free rotisserie. I just need to find the best deal possible and I could be going in, I do need to convince myself that it will get the use to justify the cost though.

    I seem to enjoy the idea of BBQing rather than the the reality but Iím talking myself round to the possibility that itís probably because of the kit Iím using? Iím hoping not to jump straight in as I normally do but I will be watching this thread with interest.

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    I would avoid the Nexgrill brand of gas BBQ from COSTCO. (or be prepared to take it back after).

    Very little heat from the gas 'burners' - you may struggle to give the meat a light tan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Thank you for the replies, really helpful and validated some of what I thought already. Really appreciate it.

    We have a little round Weber which just about does the two of us but isnít used a lot as itís charcoal and not worth the effort for two.

    I think a gas Weber will be what we go for.

    Does anyone have the one with the gas hob on the side? Is it useful? Also is four burner a big step up from a three burner?

    Iíve only looked at John Lewis so far but Iím guessing there are smarter places to shop once Iíve narrowed down to a specific model.
    I've had them with the gas hob on the side in the past and to be honest they're a waste of time. Unless you're cooking fir quite a few people I would say a 4 burner may be a bit ott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craizeehair View Post
    This is a timely thread for me, Iíve been looking to replace our old outback flatbed BBQ, Iíve never really been happy with it and always felt that it was very limited to what I could do with it.

    Now Iím getting really drawn to the Weber Genesis with the free rotisserie. I just need to find the best deal possible and I could be going in, I do need to convince myself that it will get the use to justify the cost though.

    I seem to enjoy the idea of BBQing rather than the the reality but Iím talking myself round to the possibility that itís probably because of the kit Iím using? Iím hoping not to jump straight in as I normally do but I will be watching this thread with interest.
    Moons ago I had an outback 3 burner flat bed. I also found it very limited. Hooded Spirit of the previous generation lasted me almost 15 years and was upgraded to a Genesis last year. Amazing kit.

    Just wish they did the rotisserie deal last year!

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    Rather than a side burner, you could get the plancha accessory for that genuine burger van experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogthrob View Post
    Rather than a side burner, you could get the plancha accessory for that genuine burger van experience.
    The side burner on mine - can be used successfully with a flat skillet (albeit, if you had an obstinate burger, you might have to hold the skillet while releasing it). Hob is also useful for bunging a small wok on for veg or rice etc.

    But talking about planchas - my prev B&Q 3-burner had two grids and one plancha. For small meal cooking (all I ever did on it) - I had one grid and the plancha covered in heavy foil - kept them pristine when not used. It was an OK BBQ, especially for BBQ-oven cooking, but didn't have the heat I wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    It was an OK BBQ, especially for BBQ-oven cooking, but didn't have the heat I wanted.
    No gas BBQ has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    I would avoid the Nexgrill brand of gas BBQ from COSTCO. (or be prepared to take it back after).

    Very little heat from the gas 'burners' - you may struggle to give the meat a light tan.
    The Nexgrill charcoal BBQ I bought from Costco is excellent - brilliant build quality.


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    Lots of helpful replies here and just to add what works for me in Scotland:

    A Dellonda Plancha, gas and nice and easy to fire up for fajitas, steaks, pancakes eggs, pretty much anything you want to fry inside, also wonderful for smash burgers.

    Weber 47cm, 10 years old and works for me doing a few wings or hot dogs.

    Weber 57cm GBS, more used for long smoking but with the Slow and Sear added clean up is a breeze and smoking is more efficient.

    The slow and sear is one of the best accessories I have bought, really a great add on that and temp probes for meat and the bbq grill temp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scepticalist View Post
    The Nexgrill charcoal BBQ I bought from Costco is excellent - brilliant build quality.

    Don't get me wrong -COSTCO gear is always tip-top, and the construction of my gas one was great. I was tempted to ream out the holes in one of burner holes in an experiment (under controlled conditions) - but read online that some of the Nexgrill gas units had caught fire even in normal use! SO - off to the recycle centre with it.

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    anyone using one of those green eggs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thejoker View Post
    anyone using one of those green eggs?
    There's a whole other thread on green egg bbq's, just do a search👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thejoker View Post
    anyone using one of those green eggs?
    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy View Post
    There's a whole other thread on green egg bbq's, just do a search
    https://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.p...4-(BBQ)-owners

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    I haven't been able to buy gas for about a year now (large green bottles) - fortunately our BBQ is dual fuel so can also burn coals although the idea is you use the gas to ignite them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy View Post
    I BBQ a lot, at least 2 to 3 times a week all year round. I've had both charcoal and gas in the past but have settled on gas due to how much I use it. Had Outbacks and plenty of other makes but settled on a 3 burner Weber Spirit which came with the proper Weber cover (excellent cover and a must if it's left out in all weathers). It's a great bit of kit for my use and definitely worth paying the premium.
    My Weber Spirit cover only lasted a couple of years and since then it has been sat in the garden uncovered for at least 5 years and it's barely weathered at all, other than the chrome badge peeling. Superb bbq and possibly my best purchase ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wileeeeeey View Post
    Thank you for the replies, really helpful and validated some of what I thought already. Really appreciate it.

    We have a little round Weber which just about does the two of us but isnít used a lot as itís charcoal and not worth the effort for two.

    I think a gas Weber will be what we go for.

    Does anyone have the one with the gas hob on the side? Is it useful? Also is four burner a big step up from a three burner?

    Iíve only looked at John Lewis so far but Iím guessing there are smarter places to shop once Iíve narrowed down to a specific model.
    I think youíre going about this wrong. Instead of trying to buy the best bbq first decide what youíre likely to be cooking and then decide whatís best for that. Deciding between a 3 or 4 burner really feels like a marginal decision

    Have you checked out the Kamado thread? You can do almost anything on them but taste wise theyíre still head and shoulders above any gas bbq for simple foods like burgers or sausages


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    Bit the bullet and ordered this today, the free rotisserie was just too much to resist!

    https://abell.co.uk/weber-spirit-ii-..._p32480071.htm

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    Went through this process about three years ago I think. Was dead set on a Weber after reading reviews, forums, etc. I knew coal would mean I don't use it so we were set on gas.

    Then someone sent me a link to one in Asda (I think made by Uniflame), it had the side burner and I think was 6 burner. Was something silly like £80-100 so thought I would buy it and see how often it gets used before going for a Weber or whatever.

    Used it quite a few times in the Summer and no issue with it at all. End of the day they are just grills with gas underneath, it cooks well and at this point don't see the need to upgrade it at all. Can't see how the Weber gas cooking will be different to the Uniflame gas cooking to be honest. Temperature well controlled and easy enough to clean. Bought a cover off amazon which fits, no issues.

    Been outside ever since under the cover...however - have not used it last year or this (yet) due to reclocating, so will give it a go later this Summer...if it does not work anymore, I will update this thread !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craizeehair View Post
    Bit the bullet and ordered this today, the free rotisserie was just too much to resist!

    https://abell.co.uk/weber-spirit-ii-..._p32480071.htm
    Great choice, you will get many years of grilling from it.

    I am gutted with the rotisserie offer this year, I got a Weber Connect 3, which I used once & prefer my Meater+ and proper old school RediCheck wireless set up that has done me well for years. The Weber Connect is a good bit of kit, but when you already have 3 wireless temp probes, another just adds little. Reminds me I need to pop it for sale as we are coming into season!

    I did cheekily ask Weber if they would let me swap it for this year's offer, but sadly not. Had a rotisserie on my old Spirit but not compatible with the Genesis, does some cracking roasts.

    Get some gas if you have not already, a new bbq without any will be a very sour experience.

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    First use of the barbecue this year. Just burgers and portobello mushrooms. I have a 10 year old Weber kettle. Needed a bit of work this time to get started. I normally keep it out doors and covered, but in the winter of 20/21 I stored it in my garden shed. The roof leaked, water sat in the drum and rusted the bottom air dampers. It needed a bit of elbow grease and a lot of GT85 but got them moving.

    I normally cook fast, burgers, chicken, sausages, kebabs but a few times of year I cook a leg of lamb. The weber can handle both. I generally use it three weekend days a month from mid April to mid September so may 15-20 times per year. The flavour from charcoal is fantastic and with a chimney, you can be ready to cook in less than an hour. But if I used it more often or used it in the winter I would go with gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrudd View Post
    First use of the barbecue this year. Just burgers and portobello mushrooms. I have a 10 year old Weber kettle. Needed a bit of work this time to get started. I normally keep it out doors and covered, but in the winter of 20/21 I stored it in my garden shed. The roof leaked, water sat in the drum and rusted the bottom air dampers. It needed a bit of elbow grease and a lot of GT85 but got them moving.

    I normally cook fast, burgers, chicken, sausages, kebabs but a few times of year I cook a leg of lamb. The weber can handle both. I generally use it three weekend days a month from mid April to mid September so may 15-20 times per year. The flavour from charcoal is fantastic and with a chimney, you can be ready to cook in less than an hour. But if I used it more often or used it in the winter I would go with gas.
    When they get cemented shut with ash and water they are a right bugger to clear, arenít they!

    An hour with chimney? Iím with a full chimney roaring and ready to go in 15mins to tipping out & another 10 to settle. One of the best inventions for charcoal ever vs struggling with a pyramid of coals!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mj2k View Post
    An hour with chimney? Iím with a full chimney roaring and ready to go in 15mins to tipping out & another 10 to settle. One of the best inventions for charcoal ever vs struggling with a pyramid of coals!
    Maybe I'm being a bit conservative, I must time myself. I also include the time needed to get the charcoal from the shed, clean the grill, pour a beer and generally faff about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss13 View Post
    ... Can't see how the Weber gas cooking will be different to the Uniflame gas cooking to be honest. Temperature well controlled and easy enough to clean. Bought a cover off amazon which fits, no issues.
    It wonít, but in general a Weber will still be giving trouble free performance in five or ten years, often long after cheaper BBQís have given in to the elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    If you are going to use it a lot you may want to consider the price of bottled gas
    Quote Originally Posted by lughugger View Post
    Iíve been trying to replace a 6 kg Calor propane bottle for a year. Theyíre nigh on impossible to find
    Quote Originally Posted by MB2 View Post
    I haven't been able to buy gas for about a year now (large green bottles) - fortunately our BBQ is dual fuel so can also burn coals although the idea is you use the gas to ignite them.
    Are you unable to buy the gas itself i.e. swap your empty cannister for a filled one or are you unable to buy a full cannister itself?

    I'm currently on the lookout for a 13kg (or there about) Propane cannister/cylinder filled - I don't have a used one to exchange. Any ideas where to start looking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estoril-5 View Post
    I'm currently on the lookout for a 13kg (or there about) Propane cannister/cylinder filled - I don't have a used one to exchange. Any ideas where to start looking?
    We have the 19kg orange LPG cylinders for our home cooker, so assuming this works the same way for the green cylinders; our local supplier just charges a deposit for the cylinder as well as the cost of the gas for your first supply, after which you just swop the empty cylinder out and pay for the gas only and any local stockist. There was a basic deposit form to fill out too at the start, but that is it.

    Beware though as not all cylinders are accepted by all brands, ie a Flogas cylinder will not be accepted by a Calor merchant around here and vice versa.

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