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    Quote Originally Posted by Montello View Post
    If it was an NFT for the image that would be a bargain
    NFT market is in the toilet now isn't it? Glad that scammers paradise is dying out...

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    I can’t wait till they come into stock , got my eye on a couple of colours. Perfect beater .

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1011 View Post
    NFT market is in the toilet now isn't it? Glad that scammers paradise is dying out...

    I struggled with the concept of bitcoin, but NFTs seem to be just "This is something I say is worth $20k - therefor it is" ?

    You can call a submarine - an aeroplane.............. but it doesn't mean it will fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagletower View Post
    I can’t wait till they come into stock , got my eye on a couple of colours. Perfect beater .
    Its not going to take much of a beating though is it, a plastic watch with a plastic crystal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1011 View Post
    ...Easy for us to aim our dislike at the scalpers, but frankly if people are willing to pay the premiums isn't it them driving this? Not the chap who's trying to get a few extra quid?...
    Exactly.

    If no-one is prepared to pay the inflated price, they're stuck with something.

    It's the FOMO, instant gratification people with too much money and too few brain cells who are at fault here, not the people feeding the demand...

    Not dissimilar to drug dealers - If you take away the demand, the supply will go away.

    The dealers will probably move onto something else (Moonswatches presumably...), but it's rich, bored coke-heads who feed the business, not a farmer who happen to have a field of poppies...

    I may pick one up sometimes, but I certainly didn't want one enough to queue up for one and most definitely NOT to pay a premium for one...

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  7. #507
    Can't understand the mania around this watch. Do people think they are getting an Omega for 200 quid or whatever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetlee View Post
    I take my wife to weatherspoons across the road.
    Even after her birthday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barneygumble View Post
    Can't understand the mania around this watch. Do people think they are getting an Omega for 200 quid or whatever?
    I suspect that is the case, someone paying £3000 on ebay must have some reason to spend that much money on a £200 plastic watch, why else would they pay that type of money for a watch that will shortly be selling for £207 and be freely available

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagletower View Post
    I can’t wait till they come into stock , got my eye on a couple of colours. Perfect beater .
    I’m the same. I personally think it’s a great marketing move.
    Mercury & Mars for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowman View Post
    Exactly.

    If no-one is prepared to pay the inflated price, they're stuck with something.

    It's the FOMO, instant gratification people with too much money and too few brain cells who are at fault here, not the people feeding the demand...

    Not dissimilar to drug dealers - If you take away the demand, the supply will go away.

    The dealers will probably move onto something else (Moonswatches presumably...), but it's rich, bored coke-heads who feed the business, not a farmer who happen to have a field of poppies...

    I may pick one up sometimes, but I certainly didn't want one enough to queue up for one and most definitely NOT to pay a premium for one...

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    The really clever flippers would be sticking them on EBay for £500 ish buy it now, selling quickly and cleanly then try to do it again next opportunity. No chance of being left with it.

    There will be people out there who missed out yesterday or who can’t get to any of the shops without a substantial cost snapping their hands off…..

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    Quote Originally Posted by barneygumble View Post
    Can't understand the mania around this watch. Do people think they are getting an Omega for 200 quid or whatever?
    Not exactly, but it looks like one, and it carries the Omega branding, and it’s from the same company that own Omega so that’s all that matters. Nobody’s buying a £200 watch expecting it to be the same quality of a £5k moonwatch, I can’t see what you don’t understand.

    I think they priced it bang on, nearer a grand and people would think they’re getting a proper watch, £200 they’re under no illusion it’s anything other than a Swatch, and I want one, and so do my kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker View Post
    Not exactly, but it looks like one, and it carries the Omega branding, and it’s from the same company that own Omega so that’s all that matters. Nobody’s buying a £200 watch expecting it to be the same quality of a £5k moonwatch, I can’t see what you don’t understand.

    I think they priced it bang on, nearer a grand and people would think they’re getting a proper watch, £200 they’re under no illusion it’s anything other than a Swatch, and I want one, and so do my kids.
    Add the possibility for some of making a fast buck, well few hundred bucks and I reckon you've nailed it.

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    All those ebay adverts trying to sell without actually having the watch all deleted now then i assume?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert75 View Post
    Well it was Swatch who bailed all of the above out churning out cheap quartz watches for kids to use on Ski holidays. I think people forget that there is a very small market for several thousand pound watches in comparison to ones that cost two hundred pounds.

    Either way as you say, Swatch sells thousands of moonswatch, Swatch wins. Swatch sells thousands of Omega speedmaster, Swatch wins.
    Completely agree with this.
    Smart move by Swatch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker View Post
    Not exactly, but it looks like one, and it carries the Omega branding, and it’s from the same company that own Omega so that’s all that matters. Nobody’s buying a £200 watch expecting it to be the same quality of a £5k moonwatch, I can’t see what you don’t understand.

    I think they priced it bang on, nearer a grand and people would think they’re getting a proper watch, £200 they’re under no illusion it’s anything other than a Swatch, and I want one, and so do my kids.
    Was going to get one for my son, a clumsy teenager. Wear my Speedy at same time.


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    This chap is rather helpful on eBay

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-X-S...-127635-2958-0


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    Quote Originally Posted by sickie View Post
    This chap is rather helpful on eBay

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-X-S...-127635-2958-0
    He says that if you bid on his auction you'll be sent a paper clip.

    But is it a limited edition paper clip!?
    Last edited by markrlondon; 27th March 2022 at 17:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markrlondon View Post
    He says that if you bid on his auction you'll be sent a paper clip.

    But is is a limited edition paper clip!?
    Did he read my comment about a limited edition Rolex paper clip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J J Carter View Post
    Just took delivery of Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch ”Dark Side of the Moon” but told her indoors it's just a cheap Moonswatch so no drama. Result!
    Until you leave it on the dressing table one day and she gives it to a niece/nephew/friend or whatever cos its just a cheap bit of fun ;)

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    Will get one for me and the missus likes the Uranus version when all the ho ha settles down still seeing crazy pricing including Chrono24 the Uranus version at 8K but it’s all good fun
    I FEEL LIKE I'M DIAGONALLY PARKED IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE

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    I am wondering if i am underpaying for automatic watches on the grey market... if quartz go for these prices grey...

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1011 View Post
    I was reflecting on this. Comment not aimed at anyone, just quoting for context.

    Let's hypothetically say on release date you could flip a moonswatch for £500 profit, for arguments sake, and until the very late in the day that's actually £1,000 profit as people were supposed to be able to buy two.

    Now forget about watches for a moment. There's essentially no different than a store advertising a free cash gift of £500-£1,000 to the first X customers. Is it really surprising or wrong that a bunch of people are pretty desperate to be in the first X customers then? At minimum wage you're looking 50-100+ hours of work to make that money, and that's assuming you even have access to full time paid work, so why wouldn't someone in that situation be willing to queue overnight and scramble to get there? This doesn't make them bad, dumb, or immoral people, they're just in a situation where this is a more sensible trade-off of time/money than working those extra 50-100 hours elsewhere.

    Easy for us to aim our dislike at the scalpers, but frankly if people are willing to pay the premiums isn't it them driving this? Not the chap who's trying to get a few extra quid?

    I would conclude by saying though, this is in relation who fairly attempted to get a moonswatch on day 1 (or any other hyped-up-and-hard-to-get product). I have zero empathy for the minority who tried intimidation, queue pushing etc.
    This is exactly what I was saying. It’s the equivalent of somebody on the streets “making it rain” with cash. No wonder there are people fighting in the streets over it.

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    I happened to walk down Oxford Street today. Still a huge crowd of people outside the Swatch shop and 5 police officers stood watching. I couldn’t really work out what was going on…crowd on the pavement by the door (which was occasionally being opened) and a small queue down the street. Wasn’t interested enough to hang around and find out what the situation was.

    Walked past the Omega shop who had the display case of watches. Obviously look like lumps of plastic but they do look well executed if you want a plastic Speedmaster. For me, I can’t see any situation where I’d want to put one on above any of my other watches, which means it would be a £200 purchase to just to keep in the drawer, so I doubt I’ll be ordering one. Without the brand tie in, effectively the Moonswatch is to the Moonwatch what those plastic Ice watches are to Submariners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian View Post
    Wasn’t interested enough to hang around and find out what the situation was.
    Obviously it's Eddie's new outlet shop. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    The really clever flippers would be sticking them on EBay for £500 ish buy it now, selling quickly and cleanly then try to do it again next opportunity. No chance of being left with it.

    There will be people out there who missed out yesterday or who can’t get to any of the shops without a substantial cost snapping their hands off…..
    Oh, I don't doubt it, but that's exactly the kind of people I mean.

    They could just wait a little while, but in a world where so few are prepared to wait a week to watch the next episode of a TV series, it shouldn't be surprising to find there are people desperate enough to pay double the price to have something today...

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  27. #527
    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    Playing devils advocate, what difference would it make to Swatch Group?

    If their £1billion came in via any of their sub-brands (including the Swatch product line and other brands including Renata batteries, ETA, Blancpain, Breguet, Glashütte Original, Harry Winston, Omega, Longines, Tissot, Mido, Hamilton, Certina, and Rado) it doesn’t matter to them.


    The short term market for a £207 Swatch I would suggest is WAY bigger than that for a £5000 Omega.




    With simple economies of scale, it might cost £10 to make and 5 minutes to assemble a MoonSwatch and a mark up of £190 (swatch shop cuts out the middleman) but you can (hypothetically) make a million of them in a year, maybe on a fully automated production line with no watchmaker, hand finishing or metallurgist skills required, £190million theoretical profit.

    A moonwatch might take 4 days to be made and needs a lot more precision engineering, say costs £1500 in materials and workmanship, ypu then supply to a middleman for £3k and he sells for £5k. Swatch group make £1500 per watch but can only make 5000 a year? £7.5mil theoretical profit.


    Halve my numbers produced for the MoonSwatch and you are at £95mil

    Double my numbers produced for the Moonwatch and you are at £15mil

    All theoretical of course.
    I doubt a Moonwatch costs anywhere near £1500 to make . "Luxury" goods generally have very high margins.

  28. #528
    Fair play to the people who want these. To me I just see a £40 plastic watch being sold at silly money. I'd rather a Casio. Then I'm old though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watchcollector1 View Post
    I doubt a Moonwatch costs anywhere near £1500 to make . "Luxury" goods generally have very high margins.
    I wasn’t trying to guess margins from manufacturers, maybe they cost more or less and they may sell them to the shops for more or less I was making an example of economies of scale.

    Even if you double the profit I stated on the Moonwatch it’s still nowhere near what they could make churning out a ton of these on an automated production line.

    A local McDonalds open 14 hours a day churning out £1 burgers and £3 Big Macs will outpace Salt Bae selling £700 gold plated steaks….. because the market for cheap and convenient is broader than the market for expensive and exclusive.

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    Seen this pic of the colour transfer

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    Saw a quote today from a buyer that his Seiko 5 was a better watch for less money. Every brand will be watching this phenomenon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dm1672 View Post
    Seen this pic of the colour transfer
    Eek, now that is a problem. Oh dear. So much for "bioceramic".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrushton View Post
    Saw a quote today from a buyer that his Seiko 5 was a better watch for less money. Every brand will be watching this phenomenon.
    No doubt, a new Apple Watch series 3 at £179 is infinitely better but who cares. Brand association has huge value, and The Swatch Group have just found out how valued the Omega and Speedmaster brands are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrushton View Post
    Saw a quote today from a buyer that his Seiko 5 was a better watch for less money. Every brand will be watching this phenomenon.
    No doubt, a new Apple Watch series 3 at £179 is infinitely better but who cares. Brand association has huge value, and The Swatch Group have just found out how valued the Omega and Speedmaster brands are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dm1672 View Post
    Seen this pic of the colour transfer [/IMG]

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    I wonder how Uranus will stain

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    Quote Originally Posted by hughtrimble View Post
    I wonder how Uranus will stain
    Lol …

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisparker View Post
    No doubt, a new Apple Watch series 3 at £179 is infinitely better but who cares. Brand association has huge value, and The Swatch Group have just found out how valued the Omega and Speedmaster brands are.
    Agree. I also think everyone on here has automatically assumed people are interested in the watch because of the Speedmaster link but for non-WIS, it's more about the brand name rather than the model. I've seen people on non-watch forums like reddit love them because they can finally buy a watch with "Omega" written on the dial, not because it's a Speedy.

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    What a stroke of genius by the marketing men (women, thems etc and whatever they identify as), a parallel move, to my mind, as the Swatch move in the 80s that reinvigorated the Swiss watch industry. Cheap fun, colourful watches that competed with the Japanese quartz watches..... only this 'fake' Speedmaster from the parent company has just piulled the rug out from under the 'fakers'. Brilliant - if people are going to buy fakes, they might as well buy them from the proper source!

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304410425008

    I can only imagine that the criminal sector have seen a brilliant opportunity to launder some dirty cash, who otherwise would pay £65,000 for a £200 plastic watch?

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    I'm looking forward to the brains at Seiko having a think after all this Swatch/Omega hype. A plastic Marinemaster 300 for two hundred quid. Bring it on......

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    Has anyone on this thread/forum actually managed to get one of these watches? There seems to be a distinct lack of photos of actual watches on this thread so far…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Curta View Post
    Omega x Swatch

    is an anagram of

    We got max cash


    Speedmaster MoonSwatch is an anagram of “To Spacemen Massed Worth”…

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    Quote Originally Posted by hughtrimble View Post
    I wonder how Uranus will stain
    Priceless, lol!

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    I've had this for years, no queuing necessary. But it doesn't have the special words on it.
    :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokyo Tokei View Post
    Speedmaster MoonSwatch is an anagram of “To Spacemen Massed Worth”…
    Excellent
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dm1672 View Post
    Seen this pic of the colour transfer

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    Serves him right for removing the stickers and wearing it!

    What WAS he thinking? Investment GONE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJM25R View Post
    Serves him right for removing the stickers and wearing it!

    What WAS he thinking? Investment GONE!
    I know. Who removes stickers before wearing?
    I have stickers on my ten year old DSSD.

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    Someone here is gamely selling their Moonswatch ticket from the Tokyo store queue on Saturday. It doesn’t entitle you to anything (the stores were advised not to open by the police, so ticket or no ticket, you got nothing) but, hey, it’s a part of history now

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    There should be a free mug included with each purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dm1672 View Post
    Seen this pic of the colour transfer
    Tapatalk

    Is this a fake?

    Check out the case back detail of the real thing…..

    https://www.swatch.com/en-gb/mission.../SO33N100.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    There should be a free mug included with each purchase.
    'Free' novelty omega mug when you buy the novelty O'swatchmega watch nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magirus View Post
    There should be a free mug included with each purchase.
    Isn’t Rolex the brand for free trinkets?
    Got an umbrella and pen once

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