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    Ketamine

    I had a Ďslightí accident on Sunday and was given Ketamine in hospital.

    I can honestly say I have never experienced anything like it. Not sure if was a reaction specific to me or not, but it wasnít pleasant.

    I was plunged into some kind of other place, I had no awareness of me, couldnít see anything apart from intense dark and light visuals.

    At one point I was aware of my body as they were de-robing me around the injury, but I was so far detached from it. At one point I had no idea if I was alive or dead, I could feel a distant heartbeat racing.

    Iíll be giving that a miss in future, horrible experience.


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    It would have been a lot worse without it.

    I didn't know ketamine was used in hospitals?

    When they start administering MDMA I'll be taking up some serious DIY and maybe knife juggling

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    Quote Originally Posted by eletos View Post
    I had a Ďslightí accident on Sunday and was given Ketamine in hospital.

    I can honestly say I have never experienced anything like it. Not sure if was a reaction specific to me or not, but it wasnít pleasant.

    I was plunged into some kind of other place, I had no awareness of me, couldnít see anything apart from intense dark and light visuals.

    At one point I was aware of my body as they were de-robing me around the injury, but I was so far detached from it. At one point I had no idea if I was alive or dead, I could feel a distant heartbeat racing.

    Iíll be giving that a miss in future, horrible experience.


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    Do you have any left?

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    Seems to be the go-to painkiller used by paramedics/doctors in the air ambulance/999 TV shows.
    They usually warn about feeling strange and not remembering what's gone on.

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    Itís called a k-hole.

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    I was told to go with it!

    Multiple tibia fractures, ACL etc. they had already got my boot off. I was up for a bit of anaesthetic, but had I known I would have sacrificed the clothing to scissors!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian View Post
    Itís called a k-hole.
    Yep, great description.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian View Post
    Itís called a k-hole.
    https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-k-hole-21861

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    Sounds a bit dodgy to me. Whatís wrong with gas and air?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hood View Post
    Do you have any left?
    Go halfís?? :-)

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    One of the standard bits of kit in a medics field bag around the world . I was shot with it in the butt in Russia once after breaking an arm . No ill effects in my case . I was also offered it in pil form for a headache also in Russia . They seem to hand them out like smarties , I declined .

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Go halfís?? :-)
    I canít believe people willingly throw themselves into such states, mental!


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    Quote Originally Posted by eletos View Post
    I canít believe people willingly throw themselves into such states, mental!


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    Back in the late 80s early 90s I worked with a raver who was always trying something different every weekend. He used to come into work Monday and report back. He had a number of very pleasent experiences with special K, then one very bad one. He refused to talk about it, clearly disturbed him.

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    I administer Ketamine regularly at work when anaesthetising on the trauma list. Its very good when positioning elderly patients with fractured hips for spinal anaesthesia. Very common drug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eletos View Post
    Sounds a bit dodgy to me. Whatís wrong with gas and air?!
    I guess they realised you weren't having a baby?

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    Is your butt hurting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eletos View Post
    I canít believe people willingly throw themselves into such states, mental!


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    Quote Originally Posted by eletos View Post
    I canít believe people willingly throw themselves into such states, mental!


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    Thereís an assumption in there that youíll end up in a state. Most people donít, and enjoy it.

    Iíve never tried Ketamine as it was a little past my era, but I know lots of friends who have and said it was ok. To each their own..

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    Sounds normal, i heard about that stuff 20+ years ago from an old school mate who turned into a drug freak.

    If i remember your descriptions match more or less.

    I also would not want to try whatever they paralyze covid patients with when they need a machine to breath, would be a helpless feeling of pure terror

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    I was given some under the guise of it being ecstasy. Was way past my disco days but thought, oh well, one last ride.

    How on earth this crap became a party drug I'll never know. Like serving liver and onions in a cake shop. People are weird.

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    Back in the day - whenever you had some blow that blew your socks off you always "blamed" it on Ketamine. And then we'd hunt for more before they ran out

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    Dexter likes it.

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    Ketamine has dissociative effects, and that is what you experienced OP.

    I am an addictions psychiatrist and work with patients who misuse the substance. It can have some pretty nasty effects if used chronically, not least on the bladder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eletos View Post
    I had a Ďslightí accident on Sunday and was given Ketamine in hospital.
    What sort of accident - must of been a good one for them to administer K?

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    Ketamine

    Iííd share some pics but it might put you off dinner!

    Fractured tibia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ODP View Post
    I administer Ketamine regularly at work when anaesthetising on the trauma list. Its very good when positioning elderly patients with fractured hips for spinal anaesthesia. Very common drug.
    I was given Ketamine in St Georges before an orif procedure on my fractured acetabulum after a RTC - I did not experience the effects like the OP did. Think I was on a morphine pump dispenser afterwards! I was just glad not to be in pain anymore..

    Also tried it previously many years ago, 'recreationally' and did not like it but there was no mdma around at the time! never sought it again..

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    Quote Originally Posted by j0hnbarker View Post
    Ketamine has dissociative effects, and that is what you experienced OP.

    I am an addictions psychiatrist and work with patients who misuse the substance. It can have some pretty nasty effects if used chronically, not least on the bladder.
    What's the state of prescribing off label here for ketamine given its use elsewhere to aid in the treatment of e.g. alcohol dependence, heroin addiction and cocaine use?

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    I reckon the gave me too much. I was off my face.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingstepper View Post
    Seems to be the go-to painkiller used by paramedics/doctors in the air ambulance/999 TV shows.
    They usually warn about feeling strange and not remembering what's gone on.
    Was about to say that. Seems a routine drug now - no idea how long thatís been the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eletos View Post
    Iííd share some pics but it might put you off dinner!

    Fractured tibia.


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    Yikes. Bike accident?

    I've been fortunate enough to have never broken a bone. I'd like to think I could affect a stoic attitude around medical staff. "Why isn't this heroic guy screaming??"

    Grimacing, grunting, bit of spittle through gritted teeth.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eletos View Post
    I reckon the gave me too much. I was off my face.


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    Why, you clucking for some more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fender View Post
    Yikes. Bike accident?
    A pathetic ski accident. I reckon my bones are made of string cheese!


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    Quote Originally Posted by eletos View Post
    I reckon the gave me too much. I was off my face.
    They would absolutely not have given you too much - some people have a strong reaction, others less so.
    When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by David_D View Post
    Was about to say that. Seems a routine drug now - no idea how long thatís been the case.
    Wiki: Following FDA approval in 1970, ketamine anesthesia was first given to American soldiers during the Vietnam War..

    BNF: Ketamine for Induction and maintenance of anaesthesia for short procedures...see also:

    Side-effects

    Common or very common
    Anxiety; behaviour abnormal; confusion; diplopia; hallucination; muscle tone increased; nausea; nystagmus; skin reactions; sleep disorders; tonic clonic movements; vomiting

    Uncommon
    Appetite decreased; arrhythmias; hypotension; respiratory disorders

    Rare or very rare
    Apnoea; cystitis; cystitis haemorrhagic; delirium; dysphoria; flashback; hypersalivation

    Frequency not known
    Drug-induced liver injury

    Side-effects, further information
    Incidence of hallucinations can be reduced by premedicaton with a benzodiazepine (such as midazolam).

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    Again, why are morons taking this at the local disco?

    "Anxiety; behaviour abnormal; confusion; diplopia; hallucination; muscle tone increased; nausea; nystagmus; skin reactions; sleep disorders; tonic clonic movements; vomiting"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK View Post
    some people have a strong reaction, others less so.
    Deffo this. Had bad times in the past with hallucinogens , it would always be me who was the most spannered!


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    Mind you, all the morphine, and tramadol they gave me post op buggered up my hearing. I literally went deaf in one ear and had distorted hearing in the other for a day.

    Back to normal now, but apparently itís a thing that could cause permanent cochlear damage.


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    I use Ketamine professionally, and used it a lot when I was an air ambulance doc. It can trigger delirium on emergence, ie when itís wearing off. It why we keep the lights down, keep the noise down and try not to stimulate the patient too much afterwards.

    In hospital I find it a bit unpredictable for adult use, so tend to use something else. Itís my drug of choice when the circulation is collapsing though!

    I once used it at the roadside when a HGV had shattered a chaps pelvis, bear in mind we arrived by helicopter and had orange suits on. I saw him on ICU when he woke up, and I asked him about his memory of the incident.

    He said:
    I remember the HGV rolling over me and felt my pelvis break. The really scary thing was when the giant red dragon arrived, and being attacked by the orange devils.

    Itís a legit and useful drug. Swift recovery from your accident

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    Cheers Dave, itís going to be a long road to recovery.

    Makes you appreciate all the emergency services, doctors, nurses and support staff even more when something goes wrong like this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fender View Post
    Again, why are morons taking this at the local disco?

    "Anxiety; behaviour abnormal; confusion; diplopia; hallucination; muscle tone increased; nausea; nystagmus; skin reactions; sleep disorders; tonic clonic movements; vomiting"
    Do you realise most of those are the same reactions to alcohol?

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    I just remembered this video. Guy goes surfing down a snake hole.

    https://youtu.be/htApRMWDueg

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    Quote Originally Posted by demonloop View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fender View Post
    Again, why are morons taking this at the local disco?

    "Anxiety; behaviour abnormal; confusion; diplopia; hallucination; muscle tone increased; nausea; nystagmus; skin reactions; sleep disorders; tonic clonic movements; vomiting"
    Do you realise most of those are the same reactions to alcohol?
    I believe that Fener was quoting from the information I gave from the BNF. For comparison see: BNF ethanol:

    Side-effects

    Overdose

    Features of acute alcohol intoxication include ataxia, dysarthria, nystagmus, and drowsiness, which may progress to coma, with hypotension and acidosis.

    And, according to this link, your have to go some way (ie alcohol poisoning) to get similar effect to those described in the posts above:

    Mild intoxication:

    BAC between 0.01 and 0.1 percent

    • Feelings of wellbeing and confidence
    • Disinhibition
    • Urge to speak
    • Feelings of tranquility and relaxation
    • Mild deficits in coordination

    • unsteady gait
    • difficulties standing upright

    • Slightly decreased attention, memory, and judgement
    • Reddening of the skin or flushing of the face
    • Slightly fastened heartbeat


    Moderate intoxication:

    BAC between 0.15 and 0.3 percent:

    • Mood variability
    • Pronounced disinhibition
    • Slurred speech
    • Greater deficits in coordination and psychomotor skills

    • Increasing unsteadiness of gait
    • Clumsiness

    • Increasingly impaired attention, memory, and judgement
    • Reduction in responsiveness, alertness, and reaction time
    • Confusion
    • Uncontrolled eye movements
    • Sleepiness
    • Dizziness
    • Nausea and vomiting
    • Impaired vision and sound localization
    • Memory gap


    severe intoxication (alcohol poisoning):

    BAC greater than 0.3 percent:

    • Delusions and hallucinations
    • Severe difficulty speaking
    • Severe dizziness
    • Severe deficits in coordination and psychomotor skills
    • Potential hypothermia
    • Potential coma - usually BAC greater than 0.4 percent - loss of consciousness - lack of defensive reflexes - respiratory failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fender View Post
    I just remembered this video. Guy goes surfing down a snake hole.

    https://youtu.be/htApRMWDueg
    Thatís made me laugh out loud.

    I can remember whooping and hollering all sorts. Brilliant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Essexman View Post
    Back in the late 80s early 90s I worked with a raver who was always trying something different every weekend. He used to come into work Monday and report back. He had a number of very pleasent experiences with special K, then one very bad one. He refused to talk about it, clearly disturbed him.
    This is exactly what someone who used to take it said to me too. They really didn't enjoy their bad k-hole experience.

    When going down one of the many reddit rabbitholes, I found a few boards where people try lots of different drugs and give "trip reports". There was one plant called Datura that they all take very seriously as the trips are apparently so bad. Sounds like a horrendous way to spend your time, but there are some people seriously dedicated to it!

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    Sounds like a Ket-hole.

    Some people actively seek this experience. That said, they're prob`ably taking a lot less in one go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onelasttime View Post
    It would have been a lot worse without it.

    I didn't know ketamine was used in hospitals?

    When they start administering MDMA I'll be taking up some serious DIY and maybe knife juggling
    They already are using MDMA in the USA and Israel, but not in A&E.

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    ketamine infusion has also been used for rapid depression treatment in this country (it apparently works well ) , psychedelics have also been pretty big in mental health research the last few years - i know quite a few people that use microdosing protocols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wednesday View Post
    Sounds like a Ket-hole.

    Some people actively seek this experience. That said, they're prob`ably taking a lot less in one go.
    Just a 'bump' off the end of a key dipped into the K, pretty imprecise way of dosing though, hence sometimes down the K hole, total loss of self/ spatial/ situational awareness rather than a pleasant disassociation, out of body sensation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fender View Post
    I just remembered this video. Guy goes surfing down a snake hole.

    https://youtu.be/htApRMWDueg
    That`s brilliant.

    Nurse: `Neil, can i ask you a couple of questions`?

    ....`How rad am i`?

    ...`I could walk across the fecking ceiling`

    I wouldn`t be surprised if Neil had experimented previously with expanding his consciousness by partaking in active substances...

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