Reply With QuotePretty good deal for an issued CWC though..
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Pretty good deal for an issued CWC though..
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The exposure to the brand won't do any harm either. Win win for CWC as I see it.
It was pretty obvious when they surfaced. I hope they go after the watches as well. The information is right there. Government property and all that.
I wonder if the buyers will be required to return the stolen goods?
I have only recently become aware of CWC from posts here and very recently purchased a CWC Mellor 72. I think as Raydin states, CWC will see brand exposure, albeit from a negative story.
Three months gaol?
Whatever happened to keelhauling, walking the plank and the cat o' nine tails?
The Navy isn't what is was. Hasn't been since they got rid of the rum ration.
Well said shippers.Originally Posted by Rev-O
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Why hope for that out of interest? Aren't the buyers innocent in this?
They bought stolen goods and therefore aren't the legal owner. If the MoD decided to chase it, they could just demand them back I guess. I think eBay would refund the buyer and chase the seller for the funds.
Last edited by Christian; 18th January 2022 at 00:30.
Yes I think you are correct, read about people loosing the stolen cars they innocently bought. So it depends if the MOD decide to try recover them. Though it could be challenging, as I'm sure some have already changed hands a few times.
Might be worth checking if you have one in a box with a Carwood Motors label. If so you might be getting a visit from the MOD police
Three months in the glasshouse!
The stupidity of some of these cases, I once worked with a ‘satisfied soldier’ in a careers office who stole a book of rail warrants and an office stamp. Obviously he was going to get caught! The statement I had to give to the RMP was no meeting with coffee that’s for sure!
Good story! It only confirms that cwc watches are still issued to military personnel. I thought it was now only marketing gimmick.
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If the thief is paying the MoD back for the stolen watches (as mentioned in the article) - wouldn't that transfer ownership to the thief/the ultimate buyer?
Not sure how that works out in the real world but if the MoD got the watches back too that's double bubble for them
To quote one of the comments following the article:
'What a Goon'.
I haven't heard that phrase for ages.
I don't actually know how this would work, although the sum he has been ordered to pay doesn't specifically say what for and is less than the value of the watches - maybe someone with a legal background can answer. Practically, I assume only unless it's really easy for MoD to claw back they would otherwise I can't see them bothering.
Depends which value, price CWC sell them to the MOD via Carwood, or what they were sold for on the bay.
Be interesting to know how much the MOD do pay for them over what Joe Civilian forks out in their shop. MOD contractors have a history of seeing the department as a money making machine going back to time immemorial, hence why its always heavily in the red.
Shame I’m retired, I’d have been able to check the contract and see what the unit price was.
Able Seaman Joshua Cheetham grabbed a series of the gadgets - which operate at 300m underwater - while working as a storeman on warship HMS Kent.
So, this crazy hobby where our obsessions are referred to as 'gadgets' - Tsk!
Yes but... 'The watches have been key pieces of technology for specialist UK forces for the last 30 years.'
"The whole purpose of mechanical watches is to be impertinent." ~ Lionel a Marca, CEO of Breguet
Oiut of curiosity, just who is eligible to have an issued CWC watch?
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I believe the SBS was reordered from 2015 to replace the Citizen Eco Dive, which replaced it and the RN Dive watch ten years earlier. So they are filling a dive watch requirement but what they are actually used for is another question, apart from loot obviously.
But is it just divers who are eligible or other roles as well?
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275 each ? "He obtained six new CWC SBS diving watches and the total value that he acquired was £1,642".
No press is bad press.
My understanding is that they are the only ‘issued watch’ for the Army and Navy now. if you need a watch for your job you will be issued a diver.
So it could be a diver, Navigator, Dive master, NCO, anyone who may need a watch. Images on line show various owners.
"He was finally caught out in February 2021 when eBay buyers contacted the MOD to check the validity of the watches."
Doh! Those pesky eBay buyers...
He was ordered to pay £1,367.70 (although it doesn't state that is restitution). If that is the actual cost of the six watches he stole then the MOD must be paying £227.95 each for them.
A brief search around produced this from the MOD in response to FOI request in 2014:
The last point being somewhat at odds with the topic.A search for the information has now been completed within the Ministry of Defence, and I can confirm that all the information in scope of your request is held.The information you have requested regarding current MOD watches remains the same as in the previous FOIA and can be found in the following table:
GENERAL SERVICE
Seiko
PXD433
AIRCREW
SEIKO
PX8307X1
DIVER
CITIZEN
BN0000-04H
There is only one strap currently procured (NSN 6645-99-124-2986) which has the description "strap, wrist, instrument, nylon, 1 piece construction, grey with buckle".
Under Section 16 of the Act (Advice and Assistance) you may find it helpful to note that the CWC Divers watch you mention was in service until it became obsolete in 2003. There are no current Defence Standards for watches or straps.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...OD_watches.pdf
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https://cwcaddict.com/sbsA brief search around produced this from the MOD in response to FOI request in 2014:
The last point being somewhat at odds with the topic.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...OD_watches.pdf
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The SBS is still supplied to the British military today, and is issued to units requiring a dive watch, including Royal Marines Commandos, Paras, Royal Engineer divers, and some supporting units of the Royal Navy. Supply recommenced in 2016, with about 15 watches dated 2014 and another 40 watches dated 2015. This was followed by further larger issues in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020. Watches supplied since 2017 have been the Mk II version of the watch with sapphire crystal and 120-click bezel.
Being 2014 it’s a bit out of date.A brief search around produced this from the MOD in response to FOI request in 2014:
The last point being somewhat at odds with the topic.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...OD_watches.pdf
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As far as I am aware the seiko (pulsar) general service watch is no longer issued (they weren’t great quality)
In 2019 a further batch of CWC divers were purchased by the MOD for issue.
These replaced the citizen as being solar they didn’t like sitting in stores. No QM worth his salt would be issuing free watches…
Last edited by Sinnlover; 18th January 2022 at 21:50.
Thanks, fulsome info there.
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